I found a Rare and awesome piece of history

[Get-the-point]

Hello All!! Well I have been watching and loving everyone's finds. I was on the way to my storage unit when I saw a yard sale sign. So being the avid yard sale junkie I could not say no so I stopped in. This old couple had a whole steel morton barn filled with antiques. After looking I found a few paintings that I found interesting, as I brought them up to the couple they had this piece tucked behind them. I could not believe this what a treasure and a work of art. This piece of furniture is a Flower stand(I think) it is completely hand carved and a period piece. I believe it is either late 1700's to 1800's piece, found in the good ole' state of Pennsylvania. I am still trying to find out who possibly made this beautiful piece The wood appears to be a mix of possibly chestnut, ,maple, walnut and mahogany. The main turnings show non-uniformity and are different from one-another indicating that this piece was completely hand turned. The little turnings are made of chestnut and mahogany I believe. The pieces were quartersawn reduced in size by angle cuts and glued together, then lathed. This produced a two colored turning. The cabriolet legs are hand sawn. The diamonds in-lays on the top are maple. The first tier, the main diamond is made of mahogany with diamond maple inlay around the top. The border of that diamond consist's of angle micro hand cut and glue together chicklets made with mahogany and maple.On the outside of the first tier plate is more diamond maple in-lay. This piece is a gorgeous piece and a work of art that took someone a long time and patience to build. Whoever it was he was a master furniture maker. I believe this piece is probably a pennsylvania piece. If anyone could tell me anything about it and possible value I would really appreciate it. I have consulted a antique dealer who specializes in furniture and he states that it is completely hand done and that I did well!! He stated he has never seen a piece like it. He stated the possible age that is what I am going on. I hope that this piece becomes the first piece of furniture to hit the banner(wink,wink)!!!

 

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[bugbitingme]

I am going to take a SWAG and say circa 1940. Probably a one off by a hobby woodworker.

 

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[incajoe]

I am going to take a SWAG and say circa 1940. Probably a one off by a hobby woodworker.

I agree. I think it may have been a student project possibly. The finish isn't old and the overall design is a bit.......off. The workmanship is not up to par with the level of a 1700's craftsman. Look at the diamond inlays to see this best. They are inconsistent.

 

[rhedden]

I wouldn't necessarily listen to anyone's furniture appraisal on a detecting forum (no offense meant to those expressing opinions ). Take it to a real expert and find out for sure! There at least has to be an antique furniture forum online somewhere.

 

[Get-the-point]

Handsome, but not very old. Early 1900s at the oldest due to the flat head screw on the legs.

If it was made in Papua New Guinea, then you could still call it colonial though.

Interesting observation but the machined screw was invented in the mid 1700's. http://cool.conservation-us.org/coolaic/sg/wag/Am_Wood_Screws.pdf

I just scowered that site looking for the information you stated and found nothing. Alot of fine repro's but nothing even remotely close to this. Post the direct link if I missed something, not the main page link............Thanks

After I pulled one of these screws it was associated to the period. So I must completely disagree with you. I have had other opinions on this piece and it is period and most likely New England states made.........

Ben Franklin discovered electricity in the 18th century, but they didn't invent the toaster until the 20th. Just food for thought.

I researched your table thoroughly, and while I was unable to find the maker, I was able to locate the shop it was purchased from. Some information could be found at the following website:

http://www.potterybarn.com/

Good luck,
V

I just scowered that site looking for the information you stated and found nothing. Alot of fine repro's but nothing even remotely close to this. Post the direct link if I missed something, not the main page link............Thanks

 

[creeper71]

Handsome, but not very old. Early 1900s at the oldest due to the flat head screw on the legs.

If it was made in Papua New Guinea, then you could still call it colonial though.

Interesting observation but the machined screw was invented in the mid 1700's. http://cool.conservation-us.org/coolaic/sg/wag/Am_Wood_Screws.pdf

I just scowered that site looking for the information you stated and found nothing. Alot of fine repro's but nothing even remotely close to this. Post the direct link if I missed something, not the main page link............Thanks

After I pulled one of these screws it was associated to the period. So I must completely disagree with you. I have had other opinions on this piece and it is period and most likely New England states made.........

Ben Franklin discovered electricity in the 18th century, but they didn't invent the toaster until the 20th. Just food for thought.

I researched your table thoroughly, and while I was unable to find the maker, I was able to locate the shop it was purchased from. Some information could be found at the following website:

http://www.potterybarn.com/

Good luck,
V

I just scowered that site looking for the information you stated and found nothing. Alot of fine repro's but nothing even remotely close to this. Post the direct link if I missed something, not the main page link............Thanks

You're right. I posted the wrong site. Your site was actually sold from this shop. I didn't see any New England locations listed though.

http://www.roomstogo.com/

Antique's Roadshow will be in Washington DC in August, so you could go meet the Keno's in person and ask them?
I would totally tune in.
V

it's not that easy to go to Roadshow V.. You had to apply for a ticket then they pull names like lottery... an as my luck has been lately I wasn't picked to go... all tickets are taken now

 

[Get-the-point]

Pretty interesting,?? second site you sent me to with nothing. You're a bit of a cracker aren't you. I can tell by your comments. I did not post this to be insulted by you, I did not post this to get run-around to sites that have no relevant information on the piece I have posted. I posted this here to learn about it and so far what you have said make no sort of sense yet i indulged in on your comments and looked for the table and yet cannot find one like it. So please do me and this board a favor and stop insulting our intelligence with your stupidity and antic's...............GTP

 

[Breezie]

Generally, I don't make a call on furniture without seeing it in person, but judging by the photos, what you do have is a piece of folk art history. It is a Victorian East Lake style(late 1870s-1900) inlaid plant stand with a 'tramp art' influence due to the over powering number of spindle finials, the mixed woods, and what appears to be heavy shellac. I also say influence because it lacks the carved 'chip art.' Tramp art/Folk art is more or less a piece that was made by an individual artisan. It comes from the Old German word trampen. I don't know what you paid for the table stand, but if it were for sale in our shop, the price would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $150.-200. Of course, prices vary for demand and/or location. There are many people who collect this form of art, and pay big bucks for it because the pieces are like snowflakes; no two are alike. If I were advertising the piece, the words Victorian 'tramp folk art' would be more of a drawing card than Victorian plant stand. Congrats on scoring such a unique, probably one of a kind piece! Breezie

In the photo showing the bottom of the foot, is that dab of green paint?

 

[bugbitingme]

Can you take a picture of the underside of the top? I thought I could identify six seperate boards in the top, but I could be wrong. One looks to be quarter sawn, another appears to be rift cut. Others appear to be flat sawn, but it could be just the appearance in the picture. A picture of the underside could be more defining. After further scrutiny, the lack of finish on the underside is strange. I am now wondering if the piece has been refinished. At any rate it is very important to to have an even finish over the entire piece. If there has never been a finish on the underside, I would say it is a modern production in a hobby shop.

Really interested in what Mr. Keno has to say.

 

[bazinga]

I've worked for 3 different antique auctioneers over the years. That piece just does not look pre-1900 to me. Maybe early 1900s to 1940. While it is unique, there is nothing that really makes it extremely valuable. I agree with Breezie on the value of it. If I were at an auction and buying it to resell it, I might pay in the range of $60-$100 for it depending on my mood that day.

 

[1235CE]

Personally, though it was almost certainly made in Taiwan in the late 1970's, the piece speaks to me like no one else does. I would be willing to pay hundreds if not thousands of Indian Rupees for it. Do you take trade-ins?

Banner!

Really dude?......You just gonna keep hammering the guy for no reason?......he just wants to know about his table....geezzzzzzz

Good luck on the Roadshow with your air rifle handed down in the 60's by your uncle.......

 

[CRUSADER]

Personally, though it was almost certainly made in Taiwan in the late 1970's, the piece speaks to me like no one else does. I would be willing to pay hundreds if not thousands of Indian Rupees for it. Do you take trade-ins?

Banner!

Really dude?......You just gonna keep hammering the guy for no reason?......he just wants to know about his table....geezzzzzzz

Good luck on the Roadshow with your air rifle handed down in the 60's by your uncle.......

I'm not defending anyones actions on here. But some might consider the mis-leading title as a reason. (not a good one, I agree)

If someone wants to post & find out what something is, then they post it in the 'What Is It' forum with an open mind as to what it might be.

Always best coming to conclusions after asking the questions.

We have had some very good opinions from this post, so hopefully the poster has a focus for further research.

 

[kyphote]

I'd date the style before dating the screws. For me, this falls in the highly embellished, later refinished Victorian category. Has some Gothic revival elements, as well. Interested in your response to Breezie's question about the green paint on that foot. The feet, by the way, look worn enough to be late 19th century. $150 - $200

 

[NHBandit]

I see the troll is gone. Keep us posted on what you find out. Lots of different opinions on this one.

 

[vthepresident]

All kidding aside, it is a nice table, and I hope you enjoy it.
Sorry for any disturbing of the peace.

The Troll

 

[BuckleBoy]

Nice find! How deep was it?

 

[Get-the-point]

Personally, though it was almost certainly made in Taiwan in the late 1970's, the piece speaks to me like no one else does. I would be willing to pay hundreds if not thousands of Indian Rupees for it. Do you take trade-ins?

Banner!

Really dude?......You just gonna keep hammering the guy for no reason?......he just wants to know about his table....geezzzzzzz

Good luck on the Roadshow with your air rifle handed down in the 60's by your uncle.......

I'm not defending anyones actions on here. But some might consider the mis-leading title as a reason. (not a good one, I agree)

If someone wants to post & find out what something is, then they post it in the 'What Is It' forum with an open mind as to what it might be.

Always best coming to conclusions after asking the questions.

We have had some very good opinions from this post, so hopefully the poster has a focus for further research.

The title was not meant to mislead. To me this is a treasure. I have not personally seen a finer piece of furniture. It was posted true to this board as a treasure, a title should not change a persons attitude towards the find. If members of this forum think that this was posted to mislead people to read it, I think it would be a shame. I personally go through and love everyone's posts. I love history and the proper preservation of it. No matter what was posted I go and look at it and sit in either envy and awe at most of them. I love treasure hunting and no matter what it is if it is historical it is a treasure. I consider any piece of history that made it through hundreds and thousands of years of life to be a treasure....Just the way it is!! Love all history, open and expand your treasure hunting experience. Don't sit there and be disappointed because it is not in your collecting field, enjoy it and learn from it as I do everyday here. Thank you all for your comments and thank those who were honest with there opinions, and I especially thank all that stood up against a ridiculing fool who had nothing better to do but make fun of my find. A shame there are people like that here...............................GTP

 

[CRUSADER]

Personally, though it was almost certainly made in Taiwan in the late 1970's, the piece speaks to me like no one else does. I would be willing to pay hundreds if not thousands of Indian Rupees for it. Do you take trade-ins?

Banner!

Really dude?......You just gonna keep hammering the guy for no reason?......he just wants to know about his table....geezzzzzzz

Good luck on the Roadshow with your air rifle handed down in the 60's by your uncle.......

I'm not defending anyones actions on here. But some might consider the mis-leading title as a reason. (not a good one, I agree)

If someone wants to post & find out what something is, then they post it in the 'What Is It' forum with an open mind as to what it might be.

Always best coming to conclusions after asking the questions.

We have had some very good opinions from this post, so hopefully the poster has a focus for further research.

The title was not meant to mislead. To me this is a treasure. I have not personally seen a finer piece of furniture. It was posted true to this board as a treasure, a title should not change a persons attitude towards the find. If members of this forum think that this was posted to mislead people to read it, I think it would be a shame. I personally go through and love everyone's posts. I love history and the proper preservation of it. No matter what was posted I go and look at it and sit in either envy and awe at most of them. I love treasure hunting and no matter what it is if it is historical it is a treasure. I consider any piece of history that made it through hundreds and thousands of years of life to be a treasure....Just the way it is!! Love all history, open and expand your treasure hunting experience. Don't sit there and be disappointed because it is not in your collecting field, enjoy it and learn from it as I do everyday here. Thank you all for your comments and thank those who were honest with there opinions, and I especially thank all that stood up against a ridiculing fool who had nothing better to do but make fun of my find. A shame there are people like that here...............................GTP

Remember Tnet is a cross section of society across the world & we are not all going to get on all the time.
I hope you didn't feel that I was attacking you in anyway. I'm afraid I come from a background of 'never assume, always ask' or research in depth before posting (remember some actually believe everything on the internet, we at Tnet need to keep the level of accuracy high for others to follow). Of course I get things wrong all the time, its an accepted part of the learning curve (if recognised & taken on board), but I try & avoid bold claims without evidence. Its just my way,,,so I totally get its an exciting piece for you & I hope further research pins down a better date & origin of manufacture. Keep posting, as you seem to have handled this very well & happy hunting

 

[Get-the-point]

Crusader, I have viewed alot of your posts and respect the advice you give others. Thank you for you words of advice and I hope you accept mine. I have gotten word from a Mr. O'brian who works for the Keno Bros. He stated it is a late 19th century accent table. Although he did not elaborate on it's origin he stated that it was a nicely inlaid piece. Breezie was right on the money. Well Done!!! I thank you all for your wisdom and research. They accessed a value of $750 for it. Not bad for a garage find!!! I'll be posting more pictures in the Indian Artifacts category. Happy hunting all and thanks to all that came to my aid on this matter!!!................................GTP.................

 

[CRUSADER]

Crusader, I have viewed alot of your posts and respect the advice you give others. Thank you for you words of advice and I hope you accept mine. I have gotten word from a Mr. O'brian who works for the Keno Bros. He stated it is a late 19th century accent table. Although he did not elaborate on it's origin he stated that it was a nicely inlaid piece. Breezie was right on the money. Well Done!!! I thank you all for your wisdom and research. They accessed a value of $750 for it. Not bad for a garage find!!! I'll be posting more pictures in the Indian Artifacts category. Happy hunting all and thanks to all that came to my aid on this matter!!!................................GTP.................

Sounds good & yes Breezie knows her stuff Clearly my first feelings on it were well off But as the views came in, I felt late 19th was about as early as it might go

Glad you got to the bottom of it & yes the price sounds like you will get a good profit if you sell, so no harm done

 

[trikikiwi]

I would have guessed around 1900, but that would be a guess.
It's a very cool, hand-crafted table, is my estimation

Mike