How About A Posting For Covid Vaccines

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relicmeister said:
Can there be a national mask burning day when enough are vaccinated? Like Labor Day late summer , if not earlier. That would be so awesome an event to see for real and on news.
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Get used to the mask, I am afraid it's here to stay, just like in China.
They have been wearing them in public for the last 18 years, ever since the SARS outbreak in 2002!
 

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My mask days end 2 weeks after my 2nd shot.
 

Treasure_Hunter said:
My mask days end 2 weeks after my 2nd shot.
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Does that mean you would no longer be capable of carrying or spreading the virus?

I thought the vaccines only made the symptoms lessen not completely prevent the infection.
Also was under the impression that the vaccines were only 75-95% effective depending on the vaccine. :icon_scratch:

So the mask requirement wont apply to folks who have been vaccinated? First time I've heard of that one.

Six states have already lifted the mask requirement, vaccine or not.
Iowa, Mississippi, Montana, North Dakota, Texas and Wyoming
 

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When people test COVID positive, viral loads are 4 times lower if they’re vaccinated, finds first-of-its-kind research; expert calls it ‘game-changer’ in pursuit of herd immunity


Vaccinated people become far less of a COVID transmission risk even before receiving their second dose, a new “game-changing” Israeli study has concluded.

The first mass research of its kind on patients who test positive for the coronavirus and are confirmed to have been at least partially vaccinated, the study found that such patients have far smaller viral loads than those who haven’t received the vaccine.


“Our results show that infections occurring 12 days or longer following vaccination have significantly reduced viral loads,” wrote a multi-institution research team that crunched data from the Maccabi healthcare provider, stating they believe that could be important in “potentially affecting viral shedding and contagiousness as well as severity of the disease.”

The viral load was shown to be reduced fourfold on average for infections occurring 12 to 28 days after the first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.






Vaccine reduces spread risk even before 2nd shot, Israeli study indicates | The Times of Israel
 

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Get used to the mask, I am afraid it's here to stay, just like in China.
They have been wearing them in public for the last 18 years, ever since the SARS outbreak in 2002!
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Fortunately, we're not sheep like they are in China. We'll only put up with Fauci's nonsense for so long and then the vast majority of us will say "enough" and be done with it. I agree with Treasure_Hunter, two weeks after I get my second shot, I'm done with the mask baloney. If a store still requires it, I'll find another store to shop at. If all my local stores still require it, I'll do my shopping online. The best way to wake up the businesses supporting this oppression is to hit them in the pocketbook.
 

relicmeister said:
Can there be a national mask burning day when enough are vaccinated? Like Labor Day late summer , if not earlier. That would be so awesome an event to see for real and on news.
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Don't think that would be a good idea as whatever particulates that were captured coming and going on the mask are then put back into the air via the smoke.
 

Treasure_Hunter said:
When people test COVID positive, viral loads are 4 times lower if they’re vaccinated, finds first-of-its-kind research; expert calls it ‘game-changer’ in pursuit of herd immunity

Vaccinated people become far less of a COVID transmission risk even before receiving their second dose, a new “game-changing” Israeli study has concluded.

The first mass research of its kind on patients who test positive for the coronavirus and are confirmed to have been at least partially vaccinated, the study found that such patients have far smaller viral loads than those who haven’t received the vaccine.

“Our results show that infections occurring 12 days or longer following vaccination have significantly reduced viral loads,” wrote a multi-institution research team that crunched data from the Maccabi healthcare provider, stating they believe that could be important in “potentially affecting viral shedding and contagiousness as well as severity of the disease.”

The viral load was shown to be reduced fourfold on average for infections occurring 12 to 28 days after the first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.
Vaccine reduces spread risk even before 2nd shot, Israeli study indicates | The Times of Israel
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So I suppose the viral load would be greater with the Moderna vaccine than with Pfizer and even greater with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
Dont get me wrong, I cant wait to ditch the mask! Just wouldn't want to spread the virus to the unvaccinated. But I guess that's their problem for not getting the shot.

It's the next more lethal strain of kung flu that is now being engineered in a lab that will cause another round of mask wearing until a vaccine for it is invented that will keep me from throwing my unused masks away.
 

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Goodyguy said:
So I suppose the viral load would be greater with the Moderna vaccine than with Pfizer and even greater with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
Dont get me wrong, I cant wait to ditch the mask! Just wouldn't want to spread the virus to the unvaccinated. But I guess that's their problem for not getting the shot.

It's the next more lethal strain of kung flu that is now being engineered in the lab that I'm concerned about.
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I was with you until that last line in your post. Come on now! Enough with the Conspiracy Theories!!
 

SeabeeRon said:
I was with you until that last line in your post. Come on now! Enough with the Conspiracy Theories!!
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Come on now yourself! It would be naive to think that biological warfare does not exist, or that labs do not experiment with viral agents.

This, from the "American Journal of the Medical Sciences" 19 years ago!

" First, influenza A virus is discussed as a potential biological weapon. Although it does not receive much attention in this role, the potential for mass casualties and public panic certainly exist if an epidemic of a virulent influenza A virus were initiated."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0002962915344475
 

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Goodyguy said:
So I suppose the viral load would be greater with the Moderna vaccine than with Pfizer and even greater with the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
Dont get me wrong, I cant wait to ditch the mask! Just wouldn't want to spread the virus to the unvaccinated. But I guess that's their problem for not getting the shot.

It's the next more lethal strain of kung flu that is now being engineered in the lab that will cause another round of mask wearing until a vaccine for it is invented that will keep me from throwing my unused masks away.
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Viral load is still low with all vaccines.

People can either be vaccinated or wear 2 masks if they are concerned about me not wearing a mask as I am done with masks April 9th which is 2 weeks after my 2nd shot..


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6 myths about the COVID-19 vaccines — debunked

Gabrielle Redford, Managing EditorMarch 2, 2021

Wondering whether the vaccines are safe, whether they reduce transmission of the virus, or whether they protect against the new variants? Here's the evidence behind the vaccines' safety and efficacy.

By March 1, approximately 50 million U.S. residents had received at least one dose of a coronavirus vaccine. With the pace of vaccinations likely to accelerate rapidly in the coming weeks — Pfizer and Moderna, the makers of the two currently approved mRNA vaccines, have each promised to deliver 100 million doses by the end of March, with Johnson & Johnson providing an additional 20 million — many more U.S. residents will suddenly have access to a vaccine.

That’s good news, except for the fact that recent polls show a distressing number of people are still uncertain about whether they will get vaccinated when it’s their turn. A Kaiser Family Foundation poll in late February found that 44% of U.S. adults are still on the fence or unlikely to be vaccinated: 22% said they wanted to wait and see how the vaccines are working, 7% would get a vaccine only if it was required of them, and 15% said they definitely would not get vaccinated.

That could translate into a protracted recovery for the country, as most experts estimate that 80% to 85% of the population needs to have some level of immunity for the pandemic to end.

Vaccine hesitancy has many causes, not least among them distrust of the medical establishment — particularly among Black and Latinx communities — and concern about the rapid development of the vaccines.

In recent weeks, though, mixed messaging about the safety and efficacy of the vaccines — whether they work, whether they protect against the new coronavirus variants, whether we can ever stop masking and social distancing — has many experts concerned that even more people will opt out.

“I’m concerned that there are some broad statements about the vaccines that are informing the dialogue that aren’t true that are making people really worried,” says Monica Gandhi, MD, MPH, professor of medicine and associate division chief of the Division of HIV, Infectious Diseases, and Global Medicine at the University of California San Francisco at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital and Trauma Center.

We spoke with Gandhi and several other prominent academic experts about some common myths — and facts — about the vaccines.

Myth #1: The vaccines are dangerous.
During clinical trials, the Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson vaccines were found to be exceedingly safe, with headache, fatigue, and arm pain reported as the most common side effects. “These vaccines do cause temporary side effects in a good proportion of people who get them. You’re going to feel a little achy, as if you’re fighting off a low-grade bug, especially after the second dose of the mRNA vaccine,” says Megan Ranney, MD, MPH, an emergency medicine physician and founding director of the Brown-Lifespan Center for Digital Health at Brown University. “These side effects show that your immune system is mounting a response, they are to be expected, and they are not dangerous.”

As the vaccines have rolled out to a wider population, though, a few people have reported having an allergic reaction to the vaccine, including anaphylaxis — a severe, life-threatening reaction.

A report published in JAMA Network on Feb. 12, 2021, of vaccinations between Dec. 14, 2020, through Jan. 18, 2021, found that a total of 66 people suffered anaphylaxis after vaccination during that time period — and that the rate was approximately 4.7 cases per million doses for the Pfizer vaccine and 2.5 cases per million doses for the Moderna vaccine. Most of those 66 people received epinephrine and/or steroid treatment, a few were hospitalized, and none died.

“The post-trial monitoring has shown that the rate of anaphylaxis is really not much higher, if at all, than any other type of vaccine out there,” Ranney explains. “The data is super clear that the benefit of the vaccines … far outweighs this very small risk, which is in the order of three per million vaccines administered. And anaphylaxis is completely treatable.”

Myth #2: The vaccines don’t really work that well — they don’t reduce virus transmission.
Most experts have been urging people to continue following public health guidelines, including masking and social distancing, even after they’ve been fully vaccinated with two doses of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine or one dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine — and after enough time has passed for those vaccinations to have taken effect (generally two weeks).

The reason for this recommendation is because while the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been shown to have 95% efficacy against illness (and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine is 85% protective against severe disease), the clinical trials were not designed to test whether any of the trial participants contracted COVID-19 but showed no symptoms.

“The experts are saying that the vaccines do not reduce transmission, but that is an inaccurate statement,” Gandhi says. “Vaccines have always decreased transmission. What they should be saying is that the clinical trials were not designed to test for asymptomatic infection, but there is every biological reason in the world to believe that they will reduce asymptomatic transmission.”

There is already evidence to support this, she says. First, when the vaccines were studied in macaque monkeys (during preclinical testing), they did eliminate asymptomatic infection — researchers swabbed the vaccinated macaques’ noses and found little or no virus. Second, the types of antibodies that are stimulated by most systemic vaccines (IgG and IgA) do tend to block viral infection in the nose (and no viral load in the nose most likely translates to no transmission). Finally, when monoclonal antibodies are given to COVID-19 patients, those antibodies reduce the viral load throughout the respiratory tract, including the nose.

The most convincing evidence, though, is just starting to emerge among real-world data. In Israel, where more than 90% of those age 60 and over have been vaccinated, “cases have plummeted in this population,” Gandhi notes. “Not just hospitalizations, which we expected, but cases [asymptomatic infection] as well.” Moreover, data from vaccinated health care workers recently published in the Lancet and preprint servers show reduced rates of asymptomatic infection and low viral loads in the nose when swabbing after vaccination.

“I think that in a few months, we are going to be able to say with certainty that these vaccines not only protect you, they also protect those around you,” Ranney says.

Myth #3: If you’ve already had COVID-19, you don’t need to get the vaccine.
In early January, a group of scientists at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology (LJI) in California published the results of a study examining the immune responses of 188 people who had been infected with SARS-CoV-2. What they found was that 90% of study participants still had a robust immune response six to eight months after infection — and likely will continue to have immunity much longer, explains Alessandro Sette, PhD, an immunologist at the LJI whose lab has conducted extensive research into the immune response to SARS-CoV-2.

That said, 10% of previously infected individuals did not show sufficient immune response — either in their production of protective antibodies, or memory B cells, or helper or killer T cells, all of which the study measured.

“If someone has had COVID, I don’t think you can assume that they are protected,” Sette says. “It’s like saying, ‘Would you feel comfortable driving a car where there’s a 90% chance that the brakes work?’ Personally, I would take it into the shop.”

There is some evidence, though, that for those who have had COVID-19, just one dose of the two-dose vaccination regimen by Pfizer or Moderna might provide sufficient protection.

One study conducted by researchers at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai in New York found that the level of antibodies produced after a single vaccine dose in those who had been previously infected was equal to or greater than that produced after two doses of vaccine in those who had never been infected.

Similarly, a study at the University of Maryland School of Medicine (UMSOM) found that health care workers who had been previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 had significantly higher antibody responses after one vaccine dose compared to those who had not previously been infected. “What we found was that for health care workers, if you have validated previous infection and antibodies, a single dose can be protective when you have limited doses available,” says Matthew Frieman, PhD, an associate professor of microbiology and immunology at UMSOM and a co-author of the paper.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention currently recommends that those who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 should be vaccinated with two doses of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, though they should wait until they have recovered if they experienced symptoms.

“Until we have more data, the safest way is to get two doses of the vaccine,” Frieman explains.

Myth #4: The variants are going to get us anyway, vaccines or not.
For the last few months, concern has been growing that a number of SARS-CoV-2 variants — mutated versions of the virus that seem to be contributing to greater numbers of hospitalizations and deaths in some parts of the world — could render the vaccines impotent.

The important thing to remember is that not all variants are the same, says Frieman. Emerging data from Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson, as well as the vaccine candidates from Novavax and AstraZeneca that are not yet approved by the Food and Drug Administration, suggest that all of these vaccines are highly protective against both the original virus and the so-called U.K. variant — also known as the B.1.1.7 variant — that is projected to become the dominant strain in the United States by the end of March.

“The general consensus is that if you are vaccinated with any of the vaccines that we have now [including the vaccines from Novavax and AstraZeneca], you are protected against the 2020 strains and the U.K. variant,” Frieman notes.

The so-called South African variant, technically known as B.1.351, and the Brazilian variant, known as P.1, are similar and do not seem to be as easily neutralized by the vaccines, Sette says. But that doesn’t mean the vaccines are completely useless. “We have been doing some calculations and it seems that most of the pieces that the T cells recognize are not changed in the variants,” he says. “What that means is that the T cell response [induced by the vaccine] may not prevent infection, but it can impact disease severity.”

Gandhi agrees. “We are talking about the variants as if our T cell responses stimulated by the vaccine are not important. But they’re very important in preventing severe disease. And that matters because we never would have been in this mess with SARS-CoV-2 if it didn’t cause severe disease.”

Myth #5: We’re never going to go back to normal, so why get vaccinated?
In fact, the Biden administration announced in mid-February that it had purchased 600 million doses of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, to be delivered by the end of July. Coupled with Johnson & Johnson’s pledge to deliver an additional 100 million doses by the end of June, that would be more than enough to vaccinate every U.S. resident.

In the meantime, vaccination will allow you and your vaccinated pals to return to some semblance of normality even sooner.

What might that look like?

Can two people who are fully vaccinated be with each other without masking? “The answer is a firm and definitive yes,” Gandhi says.

“If you are around other people who have been vaccinated, you can take that mask off and enjoy being with them,” Ranney adds.

Can a vaccinated person be around an unvaccinated person without masking? No. “While I’m almost positive that vaccination is going to take away transmission, if you had a little viral RNA in your nose, we would never want a vaccinated person to pass that on to an unvaccinated person,” Gandhi says. “So, mask around the unvaccinated until they are vaccinated too.”

Can two vaccinated people enjoy dinner in an indoor restaurant? Maybe. “Because these are such powerful vaccines, you should be able to go out to eat, especially right now, when most of the restaurants have extra ventilation and spacing and the waiters are all wearing masks,” Gandhi says.

Ranney is a bit more cautious. “A couple of months from now, when most of us are vaccinated, going back to restaurants is going to be very safe,” she says. “But right now, given the high rates of COVID in the community and the fact that the vaccines are not 100% effective, that would not be my first choice.” Instead, she would recommend having your vaccinated friends over for dinner in your home.

Can you hug your grandkids? While the vaccines aren’t likely to be available to children until later in 2021, Ranney plans to reunite her parents and children as soon as her parents are fully vaccinated. “The risk to them of getting really sick from COVID is quite low. But the risk to them emotionally from continuing to be separated from my kids is higher. It’s a risk-benefit equation. We’re not going to completely eliminate COVID from the world, so two weeks after my parents get their second dose, we’re going to get together.”

Can you fly or go to the gym? “If vaccinated, you can go to an indoor gym, fly (maintaining your masking for others), and start opening up your life,” Gandhi says.

Myth #6: As-yet-unidentified variants are going to get us eventually.
While scientists are monitoring several new variants across the globe, there is some concern that SARS-CoV-2 may mutate into a highly transmissible, highly deadly virus that even our powerful vaccines cannot combat.

But while that’s always a possibility, immunologists are generally convinced that humans have the upper hand.

For one, surveillance has increased across the globe, and scientists are on the lookout for any new variants that might crop up in ways that they might not have been during earlier surges, when health care systems were overwhelmed.

Second, if new variants do emerge, vaccine companies are prepared to quickly alter the vaccines. And altering the existing vaccines will not require large-scale clinical trials, since any alterations are unlikely to affect the underlying safety of the vaccines. “Essentially, you are just changing a few amino acids,” Sette says.

Third, as transmission rates go down (as they have in Israel), that will also control the variants. “If you don’t control the number of infections, you have millions of people who are walking incubators, where the virus continues to replicate and more mutations and more variants can occur,” Sette says. “Whatever can be done to stop the spread at the same time that more people are vaccinated is a major variable.”

More important, though, is that there is increasing evidence that the virus only has so many tricks up its sleeve, Sette says. He points to the fact that a similar mutation originated in both South Africa and Brazil as evidence that the ways in which this virus can mutate may be finite. “It’s not that each variant comes up with a completely new set of mutations,” he says. “The fact that the same set of mutations has been used by two different variants on two different continents is strong genetic evidence that the virus is mutating itself into a corner.”

And then, SARS-CoV-2 may wind up as nothing more than the fifth cause of the common cold — behind the four other coronaviruses that currently make us miserable (but don’t usually kill us) the rest of the year.

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/6-myths-about-covid-19-vaccines-debunked
 

Treasure_Hunter said:
Viral load is still low with all vaccines.

People can either be vaccinated or wear 2 masks if they are concerned about me not wearing a mask as I am done with masks April 9th which is 2 weeks after my 2nd shot..



Can two people who are fully vaccinated be with each other without masking? “The answer is a firm and definitive yes,” Gandhi says.
“If you are around other people who have been vaccinated, you can take that mask off and enjoy being with them,” Ranney adds.

Can a vaccinated person be around an unvaccinated person without masking? No. “While I’m almost positive that vaccination is going to take away
transmission, if you had a little viral RNA in your nose, we would never want a vaccinated person to pass that on to an unvaccinated person,” Gandhi says. “So, mask around the unvaccinated until they are vaccinated too.”

Can you fly or go to the gym? “If vaccinated, you can go to an indoor gym, fly (maintaining your masking for others), and start opening up your life,” Gandhi says.
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Thank you, that answers my questions. :icon_thumleft:
According to your sources, Not wearing a mask around the unvaccinated shows unconcern for their wellbeing.
 

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I thought "herd immunity" came from naturally built up immunity from contact not vaccines? Thus the reason that lockdowns do not work in fact are responsible for mass infections. There is so much total BS out there it's like wading through the stuff to get honest answers. I personally believe that if one expects to get honest answers from Kermit the Frog Faucci or the CDC they will be sorely disappointed.
 

Goodyguy said:
Thank you, that answers my questions. :icon_thumleft:
According to your sources, Not wearing a mask around the unvaccinated shows unconcern for their wellbeing.
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I disagree, it doesn't show unconcern, I took the precaution to be vaccinated, they can either be vaccinated or wear a mask, heck, they can wear two, one for them and one for me, to spread the virus you need to have a concentration of the virus in your body and with the vaccine even if virus is contracted virus load is so low as the likely hood of spreading virus is next to zero.
 

Johnnybravo300 said:
I never even thought Americans would fall for any of this haha. Its insane how they can accomplish anything with a little fear.
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With over 500,000 people dead, it’s not funny in my book but you can live in your own reality if you choose.
 

I had my 2nd shot on Thursday but plan to wear my mask even after my 2 weeks in support of those than have not had the opportunity to receive their shots yet. I don’t really think that the mask is a big inconvenience but that’s just me. I pray everyone will stay healthy !!
 

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