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No matter how you spell it, or what country origin is claimed, after 132 years, the Thomas J Beale character has never been positively as an actual flesh and blood person.
"you say tomato, I say tomato, lets call the whole thing off"
HOAX BELIEVERS GET NASTY AWAKENING ON BEALE PAPERS
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So far your suspected TJB has several different spellings of his last name, i.e., Beale/Beal/Beall,etc., several different nationalities, now including German, and he maintained a dark and swarthy complexion throughout the dead of winter because he didn't take a bath. Dude, I think it's time you man up and just admit that you have absolutely no idea who TJB might have been because that's quite obvious to everyone.
This is what happens when folks try to manufacture solutions by forcing elements to fit into their scheme of things. And by the way, this is not a "nasty awakening" to anyone, this outcome was already fully anticipated and expected.
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So far your suspected TJB has several different spellings of his last name, i.e., Beale/Beal/Beall,etc., several different nationalities, now including German, and he maintained a dark and swarthy complexion throughout the dead of winter because he didn't take a bath. Dude, I think it's time you man up and just admit that you have absolutely no idea who TJB might have been because that's quite obvious to everyone.
This is what happens when folks try to manufacture solutions by forcing elements to fit into their scheme of things. And by the way, this is not a "nasty awakening" to anyone, this outcome was already fully anticipated and expected.
Spelling of the last name Beal. According to some experts, Beal is the only spelling in there deciphered text? What does you deciphered text say?
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Well, if "Beale" is the identity given in the original and only source, then why on earth would your referenced experts accept "Beal" as accurate solution? The title of the narration is "Beale" and all other references to this elusive man in that original source also concludes "Beale" as being the accurate spelling, and this from the man who allegedly knew him rather well, saw that spelling in his register, etc., etc. Now here you fellas go, yet again, rewriting the story and changing source material details and ultimately rendering it fiction just to fill your own personal desires and needs in fruitless effort to prove it true. Have you caught on to the obvious shenanigans of your alleged experts yet? "Thomas J. Beale"....that's who is in question, and not Beal, Beall, or any another spelling of similar name/identity.
And as we all know all-too well, and has been demonstrated many-many times in these forums and elsewhere, decipherments are a dime a dozen and due to their very nature solutions can be manufactured in any form or outcome anyone desires and/or requires. After all, that is the whole concept of employing ciphers in the first place. To mislead people, to be deceptive, to keep people wildly guessing and on the wrong track.
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Well, if "Beale" is the identity given in the original and only source, then why on earth would your referenced experts accept "Beal" as accurate solution? The title of the narration is "Beale" and all other references to this elusive man in that original source also concludes "Beale" as being the accurate spelling, and this from the man who allegedly knew him rather well, saw that spelling in his register, etc., etc. Now here you fellas go, yet again, rewriting the story and changing source material details and ultimately rendering it fiction just to fill your own personal desires and needs in fruitless effort to prove it true. Have you caught on to the obvious shenanigans of your alleged experts yet? "Thomas J. Beale"....that's who is in question, and not Beal, Beall, or any another spelling of similar name/identity.
And as we all know all-too well, and has been demonstrated many-many times in these forums and elsewhere, decipherments are a dime a dozen and due to their very nature solutions can be manufactured in any form or outcome anyone desires and/or requires. After all, that is the whole concept of employing ciphers in the first place. To mislead people, to be deceptive, to keep people wildly guessing and on the wrong track.
First, ask any Professional Cryptographer, and they will tell you that the reason for encryption is based on secrecy, not deception......
Second, in order to throw off someone while trying to interpret their movements, in the form of a misplaced clue, or a non-entity like a story out of place, would be called a null.....a part of the study of codemaking shows that these mistakes are sometimes added intentionally, and sometimes are present when the template is not perfect, leaving a mistake in the results that won't mean anything for or against the final solve....like a repeating letter, or a double or triple bigram.
A cryptographer would encrypt information, but the codemaker ALWAYS knows that the code can and will eventually be broken.
Therefore all a codemaker is doing by encrypting their messages is BUYING TIME......
The art of concealing messages within a document can take on many forms, but there are very few psychologists that can find fault with statistical odds related to patterns.....
Now Jim Gilogly was able to find evidence of a patterned alphabet ..... as have the many seen that you even DENY the professional and scientific evidence......
And all this denial has allowed you what freedom, to speculate elsewhere out of YEARS of following the ageless dupes of the KGC into literary battle.
Who are you going to prove "what" to here?
I even left a special message in this one......see if you can see how it stands out from the others......like Gilogly's alphabet stands out from random letters.
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Well, if "Beale" is the identity given in the original and only source, then why on earth would your referenced experts accept "Beal" as accurate solution? The title of the narration is "Beale" and all other references to this elusive man in that original source also concludes "Beale" as being the accurate spelling, and this from the man who allegedly knew him rather well, saw that spelling in his register, etc., etc. Now here you fellas go, yet again, rewriting the story and changing source material details and ultimately rendering it fiction just to fill your own personal desires and needs in fruitless effort to prove it true. Have you caught on to the obvious shenanigans of your alleged experts yet? "Thomas J. Beale"....that's who is in question, and not Beal, Beall, or any another spelling of similar name/identity.
And as we all know all-too well, and has been demonstrated many-many times in these forums and elsewhere, decipherments are a dime a dozen and due to their very nature solutions can be manufactured in any form or outcome anyone desires and/or requires. After all, that is the whole concept of employing ciphers in the first place. To mislead people, to be deceptive, to keep people wildly guessing and on the wrong track.
As with everything you post. There are actually few that have claimed they have deciphered the Beal Ciphers. Of course there is a thread going over these facts. You have claimed on some other thread there were thousands of people who have claimed they deciphered the code. Beginning to rethink all your post!
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And sometimes a code is made up by the author himself. Just like EAP in the Goldbug. The whole story is based on the author's decipherment of C2 without it there would not be a treasure to hunt for but when an author wants you to hunt for a treasure he has to make it large enough to hunt. In 1885, the value of the treasure was $750000. A nice sum to hunt for but the other two codes were made up with no solve. That is why he placed the alphabet strings to show he used the same DOI and the same pattern but it does not work. So no treasure to find. Also in C2 when he got off by a count of ten and hit over seventy key letters on the head with count being off by ten was another hint that the ciphers were nothing but a story. There were four doctors and a hand full of nurses that took care of Robert Morriss up until he died why did none of them write about a treasure. They did not. There is no treasure to find. Also his niece was considered poor before the Civil War, during the Civil War while Robert Morriss stayed there till his death and after the Civil War and Robert Morriss death she was poor. No treasure to find.
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Then again, Jim Gilogly was just stringing us along.
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...and who are these "some experts" of which you refer?
Are they also among those referred to as "they say" when an expert opinion is needed as backup to a statement?
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I picked this up the other day and, whew, it open my eyes to the possibilities that lay in coded texts and letters ......
Since this discovery in 2014 ..... I joined the ACA, hosted an annual convention, told them all about the Rennes Le Chateau mystery leading to Nova Scotia and Vermont, am in contact with numerous members about this solve, and the rest of the major cases that I have cracked, using raw cryptological derivatives and textbook structures.
The majority of the cases in which there was a break they were able to recognize the structures and the methods of encryption matching the facts presented to them.
The last part was even more legendary as it is something that makes even the best cryptographers shudder..........as they were educated at these levels, but never knew where they had come from.
I discovered a root of cryptography that they had never seen.......the discovery came from the Father of Modern Cryptography.....
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Independent Investigative Journalism comes from a desire to solve the case.....no matter the cost, as it is sometimes a self-sacrificing thing, and you lose respect from other journalists and authors because they refuse to look into things that are troublesome to them emotionally....
They like to dumb down the media releases no matter how important the info is, and claim its too dramatic of a change, and introduce other resolutions to claim it's "better this way".......funny people claiming to change history were the same one's that screwed it up....and they have tried to dumb this part of their Confederate, OAK, KGC "History" with tons of inebriating productions recently....
In the case of working as the Editor of the Tempe, AZ branch of WARNING! Magazine......I found out a lot about the valley of Phoenix and how the politics there are still the same as they were during the Peralta Land Grab,
As they are in Virginia.
Funny how these symbiotic "cultures" advanced together....not just a hidden Speculative command in the OAK, but an Operative command in the KGC, working in the US Military, leading to nearly the entire Southern half of the US converting to the economic standards after the Beale, and the Standard Oil Trust takeover, that were created in the Golden Circle of Slave States that they have WRITTEN RECORDS of......
There is a major event taking place and the person responsible for this happening "has left the building......."
You would not want to be known for that feat and discovery IMO.
They like to dumb down the media releases no matter how important the info is, and claim its too dramatic of a change, and introduce other resolutions to claim it's "better this way".......funny people claiming to change history were the same one's that screwed it up....and they have tried to dumb this part of their Confederate, OAK, KGC "History" with tons of inebriating productions recently....
In the case of working as the Editor of the Tempe, AZ branch of WARNING! Magazine......I found out a lot about the valley of Phoenix and how the politics there are still the same as they were during the Peralta Land Grab,
As they are in Virginia.
Funny how these symbiotic "cultures" advanced together....not just a hidden Speculative command in the OAK, but an Operative command in the KGC, working in the US Military, leading to nearly the entire Southern half of the US converting to the economic standards after the Beale, and the Standard Oil Trust takeover, that were created in the Golden Circle of Slave States that they have WRITTEN RECORDS of......
There is a major event taking place and the person responsible for this happening "has left the building......."
You would not want to be known for that feat and discovery IMO.
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Here Eldo, a very basic cryptologist test for you.....
Here are five random numbers, 20, 34, 41, 8, 14, each representing a letter of the alphabet and when correctly decoded they will form a single word in either singular or plural form. This is a very basic, entry level test, that even the most novice will quickly provide correct answer for. Time to step up, walk the talk, and provide accurate answer. Bet you can't do it. And keep in mind, if your answer is accurate, then no possible way for me to hide or change that correct answer. On the other hand, if you can't provide accurate answer we'll know you're true experience and real story.
Here are five random numbers, 20, 34, 41, 8, 14, each representing a letter of the alphabet and when correctly decoded they will form a single word in either singular or plural form. This is a very basic, entry level test, that even the most novice will quickly provide correct answer for. Time to step up, walk the talk, and provide accurate answer. Bet you can't do it. And keep in mind, if your answer is accurate, then no possible way for me to hide or change that correct answer. On the other hand, if you can't provide accurate answer we'll know you're true experience and real story.
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Here Eldo, a very basic cryptologist test for you.....
Here are five random numbers, 20, 34, 41, 8, 14, each representing a letter of the alphabet and when correctly decoded they will form a single word in either singular or plural form. This is a very basic, entry level test, that even the most novice will quickly provide correct answer for. Time to step up, walk the talk, and provide accurate answer. Bet you can't do it. And keep in mind, if your answer is accurate, then no possible way for me to hide or change that correct answer. On the other hand, if you can't provide accurate answer we'll know you're true experience and real story.
So, the person who has no clue is trying to waste the time of an expert! Control and manipulation?
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