History Channel - Oak Island mini series January 5, 2014

[burlbark]

Quick calculation for folks. If sea levels have risen even 1mm per year for the past six hundred years, then we are dealing with about two and a half feet of land around Oak Island that is now underwater, but once wasn't. An average 2mm rise would double that number. Wouldn't someone want to take rising sea levels into account with regard to Smith's Cove? If a person believes the beach at Smith's Cove to be artificial, then those simple figures above would make the idea plausible.

Just some things to ponder, that's all.

I looked into this hypothesis years ago and found that many of the buildings in venice date back to this time period and there has been no appreciable rise in ocean water. There have been "some" building where it was noted they where sinking but not overall.

 

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[Dave Rishar]

Hi there, actually Sable Island is known up here as the "Graveyard of the Atlantic". It has wild horses on it, which are descendants of horses from one of those shipwrecks.

That's the kind of story that I enjoy, but it may not be accurate in this case. The geneology of those horses has been studied to some extent.

http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/98/6/594.full

I was quite interested to see indicators from Fjord and Icelandic horses there (particularly the Fjord, as that is a breed that's thousands of years old) but that may have come in with the Canadians, which were known to have been relocated to Sable Island. Fjords and Icelandics are clearly some of the ancestors of the Sable Island mongrels, but did that happen relatively recently or back in antiquity? And which side of the Atlantic did this occur on? Such questions may never be answered.

 

[rowanns]

I looked into this hypothesis years ago and found that many of the buildings in venice date back to this time period and there has been no appreciable rise in ocean water. There have been "some" building where it was noted they where sinking but not overall.

Hi Burlbark. Another factor affecting things in Eastern Canada is that it is still being impacted by the settling of the earth from the last ice age. As the interior rises somewhat, it actually has been putting a downward pressure on the land in our region. This is still happening in Britain as well for example. Waters rising and coastal areas sinking - teeny tiny bits mind you, but over time the change can be significant.

Cheers!

 

[Mikey667]

That's the kind of story that I enjoy, but it may not be accurate in this case. The geneology of those horses has been studied to some extent.

Genetic Diversity in a Feral Horse Population from Sable Island, Canada

I was quite interested to see indicators from Fjord and Icelandic horses there (particularly the Fjord, as that is a breed that's thousands of years old) but that may have come in with the Canadians, which were known to have been relocated to Sable Island. Fjords and Icelandics are clearly some of the ancestors of the Sable Island mongrels, but did that happen relatively recently or back in antiquity? And which side of the Atlantic did this occur on? Such questions may never be answered.

Hi again Dave...

Nobody can be sure... most people here are "treasure hunters" and are not experts in certain ideas. So, as you see. We all CANNOT be "experts" in many fields.

You do come across as if you are an expert in EVERY field. This is disenhearting because it seems an ego trip is involved.

I'm NOT being mean, but what I am stating is that you don't know, and we as "lowly posters" don't know either.

YOU DON'T KNOW UNLESS YOU GO FIND.

It's easy to go and call a bunch of people crazy and uninformed as if we are stupid.

The very important thing that you can do, if you are truly into finding out what is going on with Oak Island, is to give a bit of confidence.

Being a pessimist is hardly a good quality of character. Sure, we believe, but to you it's like you could care less.

I suggest, give a crap. Give some ideas. If open-minded, maybe something you give to the conversation will push into new ideas.

 

[Mikey667]

Hi Burlbark. Another factor affecting things in Eastern Canada is that it is still being impacted by the settling of the earth from the last ice age. As the interior rises somewhat, it actually has been putting a downward pressure on the land in our region. This is still happening in Britain as well for example. Waters rising and coastal areas sinking - teeny tiny bits mind you, but over time the change can be significant.

Cheers!

Hey Rowanns... great hypothesis there. There is an island there that Finder is speaking of that does actually "move" as sand on one side builds up and the sand on the other side recesses, hence the fact that the island "moves". In between you can be sure that certain areas become above or below sea level. We can, (as liberals) call it "Global Warming" changed to "Climate Change" is farcical. Did the waters rise or recede? Let's pretend neither the waters receded nor gained in that area. Let's pretend the island actually MOVED years and years ago. Something to consider as well.

 

[FinderKeeper]

Hi again Dave...

Nobody can be sure... most people here are "treasure hunters" and are not experts in certain ideas. So, as you see. We all CANNOT be "experts" in many fields.

You do come across as if you are an expert in EVERY field. This is disenhearting because it seems an ego trip is involved.

I'm NOT being mean, but what I am stating is that you don't know, and we as "lowly posters" don't know either.

YOU DON'T KNOW UNLESS YOU GO FIND.

It's easy to go and call a bunch of people crazy and uninformed as if we are stupid.

The very important thing that you can do, if you are truly into finding out what is going on with Oak Island, is to give a bit of confidence.

Being a pessimist is hardly a good quality of character. Sure, we believe, but to you it's like you could care less.

I suggest, give a crap. Give some ideas. If open-minded, maybe something you give to the conversation will push into new ideas.

Thank You Mikey, You said it like it is.

 

[Peyton Manning]

ok, without taking sides, I read Dave's posts as more of a fact check. He's just taking the posts of possibilities and adding some facts.

 

[Dave Rishar]

Hi again Dave...

Nobody can be sure... most people here are "treasure hunters" and are not experts in certain ideas. So, as you see. We all CANNOT be "experts" in many fields.

Nor is anyone claiming to be, myself included. I merely posted a link to work that was done by experts. If you're unhappy with what the experts have to say about that...well, I'm sorry. Take it up with them if you know something about horse geneology that they don't.

You do come across as if you are an expert in EVERY field. This is disenhearting because it seems an ego trip is involved.

I'll state again for the record that I'm not claiming to be an expert in any field that has been mentioned thus far on this subforum. I'm merely an interested student. Trust me when I say that my ego is uninvolved. My desire here is not to be right, but to see others be right. I use logic and facts to accomplish this. If someone here finds logic and facts offensive, they need to question their own goals and motivation. I enjoy a good story as much as the next guy, but people have died over this particular story.

I'm NOT being mean, but what I am stating is that you don't know, and we as "lowly posters" don't know either.

I'm assuming that by the use of quotations around "lowly posters,"...actually, I'm not going to assume. I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you implying that I think of other posters as somehow beneath me? I have used the term "true believers" a few times because that's exactly what they are - they've bypassed logic and moved straight on to faith, and they believe very strongly. Basing beliefs on faith rather than logic makes one a believer. That's why I believe in God, and others believe in certain treasure legends; neither of us have any hard evidence, but evidence is not required for beliefs based on faith. In secular matters, I require for more proof.

Make sense?

YOU DON'T KNOW UNLESS YOU GO FIND.

Following this logic, nobody knows anything at all about the Money Pit.

It's easy to go and call a bunch of people crazy and uninformed as if we are stupid.

If people act crazy and uninformed, then yes, it is easy to call them as such. If I can find significant problems with both the evidence and the logic in mere minutes of researching, it makes me wonder how others research things.

The very important thing that you can do, if you are truly into finding out what is going on with Oak Island, is to give a bit of confidence.

Another very important thing that I can do is point out problems with theories, evidence, and thought processes. When I first found this subforum, people were still referring to Sinclair as a prince. He is not, and no one here bothered to check that. I did, I offered proof, and now he's not a prince anymore. If this has created problems for certain people and theories, I'm sorry that it has, but I'm not at all sorry for injecting truth into fairy tales.

So go ahead and dig holes, but dig them in the right places, for the right reasons. If KVM is to be believed, you should already know what you're going to find before you put the shovel in the trunk of the car.

Being a pessimist is hardly a good quality of character. Sure, we believe, but to you it's like you could care less.

I'm a closet optimist, but don't tell anyone. As for belief, do you believe based on logic, or faith? I'm appealing to the logic crowd. I know that I can't sway the faith crowd no matter what I say, so I don't bother with them. (There are a few in-betweeners who might eventually be swayed, so I work on them a bit too.)

I suggest, give a crap. Give some ideas. If open-minded, maybe something you give to the conversation will push into new ideas.

Would someone provide as many counterpoints, links, thought experiments - basically, things designed to provoke logical thought and discussion, and to cut through the BS - as I already have if I didn't give a crap?

You should go back and re-read some of my earlier posts. If you have a problem with my argument, by all means attack it. Destroy it if you can. But leave me out of it, and I'll leave you out of it as well. I don't have a problem with a single person in this thread, but I do have some serious problems with what they're saying, and it's what they're saying that I go after.

 

[Dave Rishar]

ok, without taking sides, I read Dave's posts as more of a fact check. He's just taking the posts of possibilities and adding some facts.

Indeed. I'm not sure why this rankles some.

 

[Ocean]

Good Grief - if you don't like what a poster says or how he sounds just skip over it and don't read. I do that on here quit often. Lets not waste space bantering back and forth. I've been enjoying the input of everyone. So please continue.

 

[skumpa]

Has anyone looked at Google Earth to see what I was talking about? #285

 

[rowanns]

O.K. folks, please behave yourselves. We are adults here and we can choose for ourselves what posts we read and what we may want to skip over. People believe in one theory, other people don't. What some people present as factual evidence, others dispute. That's just the way it is.

I have bantered back and forth with Dave and I think Dave might agree that he and I will continue to disagree on certain points regarding Oak Island. Mikey667, stay passionate. Dave, stay passionate.

Heck, everyone stay passionate in your pursuit of treasure, artefacts, shipwrecks, relics, gold - whatever your fancy is. That's what gets the heart pumping and the ideas flowing and it is wonderful. We must, however, keep our minds open to all that is possible out there in this gorgeous world.

Don't make me be your mother here - I warn you I am well trained! Ha! ha!

 

[rowanns]

Has anyone looked at Google Earth to see what I was talking about? #285[/QUOTE

Hi skumpa. I actually looked at what you were referring to on Oak Island and find it interesting, particularly if parts of Smith's Cove are artificial, as has been claimed for quite some time. Smith's Cove would have acted kind of like a dam in this scenario. I know I sound like a broken record regarding this cove, but it does tie in to what you were referencing. Who knows!

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Ladies & gentsmen: drink your coffee before it gets cold, although I mus admit, hot or cool, coffee reins supreme-- Tea is ok also.

So, on who is right or wrong relax. In my short life I have seen too many things change from one point to another, many times diametrically.

I consider Dave's posts quite interesting even if he discretely thinks that I am nuts - err mistaken - , just as I do on some of his conclusions as well as on others posts.

However remember this is effectively just a Friday evening at the corner pub (booze hall to ya ignerant Yanks) so what is different? Effectively, at this point it s similar to Politics.

However, as usual, I think that Jeff should be in a looney house for observation

So, the final conclusion is that it was one of the Pirate ships that took part in the looting of Panama and careened their ship to recaulk it, while digging a depository hole to bury the loot until a future time since it would be too easily identified.

There can be no doubt since I said so, unless you sneakily listen to my wife, who has a fantastic memory of the imaginary times that I have been mistaken - not wrong.

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s. you do agree , NO, Mikey667 ??

 

[Dave Rishar]

Disagreement is good. If everyone always agreed with whatever I said, how would I ever learn anything? I would have no motivation to find out whether or not my beliefs were correct. The wonderful thing about the internet is that it contains a large portion of the summary of human knowledge, so if there's something that I don't know about, it's only a few keystrokes away.

That having been said, I took another look at the "40 feet below" stone story recently. I still don't think that it ever existed, but if it did, AND it was deciphered correctly, it tells us something very significant - far more significant than the message itself. Can anyone guess where I'm going with this?

 

[Peyton Manning]

Ladies & gentsmen: drink your coffee before it gets cold, although I mus admit, hot or cool, coffee reins supreme-- Tea is ok also.

So, on who is right or wrong relax. In my short life I have seen too many things change from one point to another, many times diametrically.

I consider Dave's posts quite interesting even if he discretely thinks that I am nuts - err mistaken - , just as I do on some of his conclusions as well as on others posts.

However remember this is effectively just a Friday evening at the corner pub (booze hall to ya ignerant Yanks) so what is different? Effectively, at this point it s similar to Politics.

However, as usual, I think that Jeff should be in a looney house for observation

So, the final conclusion is that it was one of the Pirate ships that took part in the looting of Panama and careened their ship to recaulk it, while digging a depository hole to bury the loot until a future time since it would be too easily identified.

There can be no doubt since I said so, unless you sneakily listen to my wife, who has a fantastic memory of the imaginary times that I have been mistaken - not wrong.

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s. you do agree , NO, Mikey667 ??

I'll just assume you meant jeffofpa

 

[FinderKeeper]

Ok Its time to move ahead . Time is running out. There has been a lot of good ideas posted. If you had the chance to talk to Marty and Rick Lagina what ONE THING would you like to have them check out on Oak Island. Please just post what you would like to see done , please don't post about the past TV Show or what you would like to see on a new TV Show. Just what would you do if you had the chance and why. Thank You

 

[Peyton Manning]

why not sleeve and excavate the original pit?

 

[burlbark]

why not sleeve and excavate the original pit?

It would require 180' of 20' casing to get down to the supposed area of treasure. That is some huge casing and would cost allot and may require internal bracing to deal with the pressure that would be exerted at that depth. The hydraulic pressure and sloughing mud walls could crush it. Huge costs and minimal return unless they can get investors to sign on for advertizing.

I forgot it has already been excavated by Robert Dunfield to a depth of 147 feet and they found no treasure.

William Chappell sunk a shaft to 163 feet over the money pit or really close to it and found zero treasure.

And of course the Triton Alliance and there 235 foot shaft with steel casing and supposed pictures of chests and bodies. The pictures show nothing more than rock formations until you start to get a couple of drinks in you.

Maybe they needed to go another couple feet deeper, maybe they hit false bedrock....

 

[HenryWaltonJonesJr]

If I could verify one thing I'd did smiths cove down 30 or so feet and look for those drains. If those drains are there with the fibers then something is up and the stories probably true.