Heres a mystery piece...any ideas

[Trez]

Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

I went through some of my items that have been soaking since the hurricanes of 2004.
I forgot about this one, it has yet to be identified.
Found south of Spessard Holland...I Know that a new wreck or some scatter is possible in that area.
Some think it may have Medical signification...
Laurel Wreath upon Pillars with what looks like twin serpeants wrapping the base..........
Can anyone shed anything new on it...4.25"...I believe it to be pewter, no touch marks...as I have mild acid treated the back in a small area to expose......it did have 2 small bronze pin heads.
Thanks...

 

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[Roadquest]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

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[Boobydoo]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

Maybe this could have been an plated metal decorative piece tacked onto a nice piece of woodwork like a china cabinet? I don't have any evidence, just a thought.

BDoo

 

[Trez]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

Trez where exactly did you break this? where the line of two shades of color, or is that where you cleaned it?

It broke right above the cleaned area...

 

[stoney56]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

It looks like tassels hanging on either side of the wreath. Hope you don't mind me tricking the pic a bit. Looks a bit like an acus.
http://www.catholic-forum.com/SAINTS/ncd00109.htm

 

[Michelle]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

Maybe this could have been an plated metal decorative piece tacked onto a nice piece of woodwork like a china cabinet? I don't have any evidence, just a thought.

BDoo

That's what I was thinking also...Those brass pin heads were what tacked it on.Maybe even a TREASURE CHEST!!!

 

[Mackaydon]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

Kilt Pins were very fashionable during the 1890s; the Victorian Age.
Their became 'fashion statements'; some becoming very ornate with jewels.
The trend continues--just observe the goers to any Bobby Burns formal in your area and you'll see them on most everyone. While the kilt pins of today are less ornate (as seen in many online ads), I'm guessing the earlier ones would have looked like the first one shown in this thread.

The object in the center of the circle is a thistle; a Scottish symbol. As I mentioned earlier, some pins substituted the Scottish clan symbol for the thistle in that same area of the pin.

I'm open to the possibility that the image may reflect something else and would like to know.
Don......

 

[Smithbrown]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

it's not a thistle, - it's a neoclassical motive- lit torch, wreath and ribbons. I think the suggestion that is some sort of fitting for furniture or box, clock etc is the likeliest suggestion. I think the kilt pin is a red herring- they need to be robust for starters.

Smithbrown

 

[PBK]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

Of course, each of us can interpret the same images differently, as evidenced by the variety of suggestions in this thread: torches, spears, swords, staffs, thistles, etc.— and my eyes and ideas are certainly no better than anyone else's.

That said, the item within the wreath or circle appears to me to be too elongated for a thistle tuft, and there is no bulb as seen on the traditonal Scottish globe thistle.

The lower and middle portions might be seen as a thistle; but if so, what is the upper third portion atop the tuft? Perhaps this is simply a Scottish thistle design variation that I haven't seen, and photos could be posted.

There is, however, a smaller portion of the design which might be a thistle, the top of which touches the circle at the 6:00 position.

 

[Smithbrown]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

try this one for comparison

http://www.artfurnitureontheweb.com/noframe/items/090793nf.html

Smithbrown

 

[PBK]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

Well done, Smithbrown!

 

[Michelle]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

it's not a thistle, - it's a neoclassical motive- lit torch, wreath and ribbons. I think the suggestion that is some sort of fitting for furniture or box, clock etc is the likeliest suggestion. I think the kilt pin is a red herring- they need to be robust for starters.

Smithbrown

GOOD PICTURE....PROOF.....Thank you....I have worked my fingers off trying to find this ornament....The back of it gave it away....too flat un ornate....excellant job...

 

[Michelle]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

Maybe this could have been an plated metal decorative piece tacked onto a nice piece of woodwork like a china cabinet? I don't have any evidence, just a thought.

BDoo

That's what I was thinking also...Those brass pin heads were what tacked it on.Maybe even a TREASURE CHEST!!!

goodjob BDoo....

 

[PBK]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

goodjob BDoo....

Omigosh... My apologies, BDoo. In my haste to congratulate Smithbrown, I failed to include you, too— and your earlier guess was indeed smack dead-center of the bullseye!

And thank you, Michelle, for that much-needed whack upside the head. Please repeat as necessary.

 

[Michelle]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

goodjob BDoo....

Omigosh... My apologies, BDoo. In my haste to congratulate Smithbrown, I failed to include you, too— and your earlier guess was indeed smack dead-center of the bullseye!

And thank you, Michelle, for that much-needed whack upside the head. Please repeat as necessary.

8) YOU'RE WELCOME!!!

 

[PostFatal]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

Is that a butterfly? I only ask because I found this reference.

(Thanatos was the Greek personification of death who dwells in the lower world. In Homer's Iliad he appears as the brother of Hypnos ("sleep"). The Greek writer Hesiod makes these two spirits the sons of Nyx, but they had no father. In the theater Thanatos was sometimes introduced as a character. His attributes are an inversed torch, wreath, or butterfly.)

this is the link where I found it. http://thanasis.com/hades.htm

 

[Michelle]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

Is that a butterfly? I only ask because I found this reference.

(Thanatos was the Greek personification of death who dwells in the lower world. In Homer's Iliad he appears as the brother of Hypnos ("sleep"). The Greek writer Hesiod makes these two spirits the sons of Nyx, but they had no father. In the theater Thanatos was sometimes introduced as a character. His attributes are an inversed torch, wreath, or butterfly.)

this is the link where I found it. http://thanasis.com/hades.htm

looks like a bloom on a vine

 

[Boobydoo]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

Is that a butterfly? I only ask because I found this reference.

(Thanatos was the Greek personification of death who dwells in the lower world. In Homer's Iliad he appears as the brother of Hypnos ("sleep"). The Greek writer Hesiod makes these two spirits the sons of Nyx, but they had no father. In the theater Thanatos was sometimes introduced as a character. His attributes are an inversed torch, wreath, or butterfly.)

this is the link where I found it. http://thanasis.com/hades.htm

looks like a bloom on a vine

This appears to simply be a blob of corrosion that hasn't been cleaned off. TREZ should easily be able to verify this.

Look at the picture in post #13 of the back side and you can see this rust blob peeking through from the front appearing not to be part of the base metal.
Plus the base shape seems to want to be perfectly symmetrical left side to right side so one of these blooms/butterflies should be on the other side also if this were the case.

Smiles!
BDoo

 

[Michelle]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

Is that a butterfly? I only ask because I found this reference.

(Thanatos was the Greek personification of death who dwells in the lower world. In Homer's Iliad he appears as the brother of Hypnos ("sleep"). The Greek writer Hesiod makes these two spirits the sons of Nyx, but they had no father. In the theater Thanatos was sometimes introduced as a character. His attributes are an inversed torch, wreath, or butterfly.)

this is the link where I found it. http://thanasis.com/hades.htm

looks like a bloom on a vine

This appears to simply be a blob of corrosion that hasn't been cleaned off. TREZ should easily be able to verify this.

Look at the picture in post #13 of the back side and you can see this rust blob peeking through from the front appearing not to be part of the base metal.
Plus the base shape seems to want to be perfectly symmetrical left side to right side so one of these blooms/butterflies should be on the other side also if this were the case.

Smiles!
BDoo

I believe it is ....rust blob

 

[Boobydoo]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

goodjob BDoo....

Omigosh... My apologies, BDoo. In my haste to congratulate Smithbrown, I failed to include you, too— and your earlier guess was indeed smack dead-center of the bullseye!

And thank you, Michelle, for that much-needed whack upside the head. Please repeat as necessary.

Thanks for the "atta-boys" Michelle and PBK... no worries PBK. SMILES!

Great photo link Smithbrown, thanks.
I was searching these pages but had to stop to go the an off site meeting. Glad you did find the right evidence. Cool!

This all was a fun one, good job everyone!

BDoo

 

[Boobydoo]

Re: Here's a mystery piece...any ideas

Maybe this could have been an plated metal decorative piece tacked onto a nice piece of woodwork like a china cabinet? I don't have any evidence, just a thought.

BDoo

A Very Good Thought Indeed.
Regards,
Doc

Appreciate it Doc...back at cha!!

Smiles!
BDoo