Hayward school to sponsor toy gun exchange

[CoilyGirl]

I missed your post Ben and would have liked to have heard another perspective. I think a toy exchange doesn't really solve anything but that's JMHO of course.

 

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[packerbacker]

post nos. 2 and 4 on page 1 of this thread are his coily.

 

[packerbacker]

ben, you said, "I believe the point of this exercise is to teach kids early on to respect guns rather than view them as toys."
I have to take a different view ben and say I don't think it will teach kids early to respect guns. It will demonize guns in their eyes. There won't be any toy guns in their childhood, just real ones that have one purpose....to kill something, when in reality, they are used in a wide variety of fun activities that have nothing to do with killing. There is no difference between guns and bows and arrows. There is much more killing involved in fishing than in target shooting. Many folks have killed way more fish than deer. Have the kids turn in their violent video games (Any games that involve shooting something) and have them turn in the violent movies they have in the household and make sure they don't watch violent tv. THAT is where the problem lies. Do you know how much violence is in books? Just start with "Where The Red Fern Grows" and go from there. No thanks for the trade in. Our family will continue teaching our young the difference between real guns and play guns. Doesn't take a phd in parenting you know. Thing is, our young have toy AND real guns and they already know the difference.

 

[jerseyben]

ben, you said, "I believe the point of this exercise is to teach kids early on to respect guns rather than view them as toys."
I have to take a different view ben and say I don't think it will teach kids early to respect guns. It will demonize guns in their eyes. There won't be any toy guns in their childhood, just real ones that have one purpose....to kill something, when in reality, they are used in a wide variety of fun activities that have nothing to do with killing. There is no difference between guns and bows and arrows. There is much more killing involved in fishing than in target shooting. Many folks have killed way more fish than deer. Have the kids turn in their violent video games (Any games that involve shooting something) and have them turn in the violent movies they have in the household and make sure they don't watch violent tv. THAT is where the problem lies. Do you know how much violence is in books? Just start with "Where The Red Fern Grows" and go from there. No thanks for the trade in. Our family will continue teaching our young the difference between real guns and play guns. Doesn't take a phd in parenting you know. Thing is, our young have toy AND real guns and they already know the difference.

Packer, Im glad YOUR family teaches kids to respect toy guns and real guns alike. Keep in mind, that is YOUR family. What about the other 100s of millions in this country? Someone needs to eductate all of those kids about guns. Someone... perhaps like the school in this article?

Saying that violent movies and video games is the problem has just as much (or lack of) merit as saying that guns are the problem.

Your fishing pole analagy is weak and is not comparable to guns, in any way. The sole purpose of a fishing pole is to catch fish. One could never be used in any act of violence. Guns on the other hand are used regularly to commit violent acts. If you cannot see that, then there is a major disconnect in the way you view the world.

 

[jeff of pa]

more like a "dumbplicity stunt"

I bet there was a run on toy guns at the local 5& dime or whatever it is called these days.
Because the kids who didn't have them wanted a chance at a bike too.
I'm sure there were allot of young girls, who didn't even own a squirt gun

& some probably took broken ones in knowing they could stop for a new one on the way home I know if I had kids, mine would have got BB guns on the way home from
turning in their Cap guns


I hope they all got to play cops & robbers . or cowboys & indians,
while in line to trade them in

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I bet there was a run on toy guns at the local 5& dime or whatever it is called these days.
Because the kids who didn't have them wanted a chance at a bike too.
I'm sure there were allot of young girls, who didn't even own a squirt gun

& some probably took broken ones in knowing they could stop for a new one on the way home I know if I had kids, mine would have got BB guns on the way home from
turning in their Cap guns


I hope they all got to play cops & robbers . or cowboys & indians,
while in line to trade them in

Right on Jeff....:thumbup:

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[CoilyGirl]

post nos. 2 and 4 on page 1 of this thread are his coily.

Sorry,I thought maybe Ben had made other posts that had been deleted.

 

[Backbacon]

I bet there was a run on toy guns at the local 5& dime or whatever it is called these days.
Because the kids who didn't have them wanted a chance at a bike too.
I'm sure there were allot of young girls, who didn't even own a squirt gun

& some probably took broken ones in knowing they could stop for a new one on the way home I know if I had kids, mine would have got BB guns on the way home from
turning in their Cap guns


I hope they all got to play cops & robbers . or cowboys & indians,
while in line to trade them in

I used to play "Cowboys and Indians" when I was a young Buck...... I was always stuck being the "Indian" and It made me feel singled out being all alone tied to that tree. Ahhhh the memories....

 

[packerbacker]

ben, you said, "Your fishing pole analagy is weak and is not comparable to guns, in any way. The sole purpose of a fishing pole is to catch fish. One could never be used in any act of violence. Guns on the other hand are used regularly to commit violent acts. If you cannot see that, then there is a major disconnect in the way you view the world."

You are 100% right, my analogy is weak, very weak. My point is, the kids will not be learning anything at all about guns except they are "BAD". Then they all learn to think like Feinstein. The only interaction they will have with guns is after they are adults and, because of their inherent fear of them, will use their ignorance of the subject to vote against anyone having guns. It's those ignorant of guns now that are trying to pass all of this bs legislation that will do absolutely nothing to stop the crimes. All it is, is a form of social brainwashing to try and get the kids to be as afraid of guns as they are. If your 4th grader can't tell the difference between a real gun and a toy gun after a 5 minute training session, you're raising a moron that shouldn't play with anything.

 

[diggummup]

I'm sorry but I think this is the stupidest thing i've ever heard in my life. Jesus Christ! What the hell is wrong with people in this country? I can't stand it anymore. When I went to school, I had a Buck knife strapped to my side, a pack of Marlboro's in my top pocket and a shotgun in the back window of my P/U truck, and if I didn't act right, i'd get my ass whooped. Guess what? I never shot anyone, I never stabbed anyone, I never went on to use cocaine or heroin, and I didn't turn out to be an abuser of women or children. When I win the lottery, i'm moving the hell out of this country, i've had it with ignorant ass politicians and government schmucks turning our people into freakin moronic sheep. This has been steadily happening for the last 30 years. It's truly sad what this country has become.

 

[jeff of pa]

I used to play "Cowboys and Indians" when I was a young Buck...... I was always stuck being the "Indian" and It made me feel singled out being all alone tied to that tree. Ahhhh the memories....

I always played the "Robber" aka "outlaw". didn't turn me into one.
I just felt it was more fun them being the cop

 

[diggummup]

Packer, Im glad YOUR family teaches kids to respect toy guns and real guns alike. Keep in mind, that is YOUR family. What about the other 100s of millions in this country? Someone needs to eductate all of those kids about guns. Someone... perhaps like the school in this article?

Saying that violent movies and video games is the problem has just as much (or lack of) merit as saying that guns are the problem.

Your fishing pole analagy is weak and is not comparable to guns, in any way. The sole purpose of a fishing pole is to catch fish. One could never be used in any act of violence. Guns on the other hand are used regularly to commit violent acts. If you cannot see that, then there is a major disconnect in the way you view the world.

Here's an idea... how about personal responsibility? How about holding the PARENTS responsible for their kids actions until they are 18? Lock their asses up when their kid misbehaves, see how that will light a fire under their ass to raise their kid/s properly. How about bringing back corporal punishment? How about putting the fear of god into the little savage beasts? Burn their ass when they don't listen.

Since when did it become the schools and teachers responsibility to teach kids right from wrong? Since when did it become the schools and teachers responsibility to raise the children they are supposed to be teaching the 3 r's to?
Certain things are supposed to be taught by parents of children, not strangers in a classroom. That's the problem, lazy ass parents that don't teach their kids. I'm sick to death of society putting the blame on everything but the good for nothing parents of these little savages.

 

[jerseyben]

Here's an idea... how about personal responsibility? How about holding the PARENTS responsible for their kids actions until they are 18? Lock their asses up when their kid misbehaves, see how that will light a fire under their ass to raise their kid/s properly. How about bringing back corporal punishment? How about putting the fear of god into the little savage beasts? Burn their ass when they don't listen.

Since when did it become the schools and teachers responsibility to teach kids right from wrong? Since when did it become the schools and teachers responsibility to raise the children they are supposed to be teaching the 3 r's to?
Certain things are supposed to be taught by parents of children, not strangers in a classroom. That's the problem, lazy ass parents that don't teach their kids. I'm sick to death of society putting the blame on everything but the good for nothing parents of these little savages.

Diggum, I could not agree with you more. My most conservative value is my belief in personal responsability. You are spot on about parents not giving a crap and not rasing their kids, blaming everyone but themselves for their situation, etc.

Please understand that the issue of parents taking responsability has not previously come up in the article or by any other forum member so I was merely responding to the article and other posters (other posters who wanted to somehow drag abortion and various unrelated topics into the discussion).

I think it is a fine idea and I think if more parents got involved in their kids lives and took their kids hunting and taught them about gun safety (and respect in general) then the country would be in much better shape.

The reality is, there are still 100s of millions of people in this country and until each and every one of them decides to step up and be a solid responsible parent, the duty of parenting will sadly fall on the shoulders of the schools. In this case, I do not see anything wrong with schools taking action to promote gun safety.

 

[diggummup]

Diggum, I could not agree with you more. My most conservative value is my belief in personal responsability. You are spot on about parents not giving a crap and not rasing their kids, blaming everyone but themselves for their situation, etc.

Please understand that the issue of parents taking responsability has not previously come up in the article or by any other forum member so I was merely responding to the article and other posters (other posters who wanted to somehow drag abortion and various unrelated topics into the discussion).

I think it is a fine idea and I think if more parents got involved in their kids lives and took their kids hunting and taught them about gun safety (and respect in general) then the country would be in much better shape.

The reality is, there are still 100s of millions of people in this country and until each and every one of them decides to step up and be a solid responsible parent, the duty of parenting will sadly fall on the shoulders of the schools. In this case, I do not see anything wrong with schools taking action to promote gun safety.

So why now do we have these problems when we didn't have them 30 years ago?

 

[bevo]

toy gun buy back does not promote safety, it promotes fear, the idea that guns are bad, and only police should have them. My thought anyway.

 

[jerseyben]

So why now do we have these problems when we didn't have them 30 years ago?

Lawsuits, fear, religious zealots, special interest groups, corporate greed, and intolerance/hate.

 

[Jason in Enid]

Since when did it become the schools and teachers responsibility to teach kids right from wrong? Since when did it become the schools and teachers responsibility to raise the children they are supposed to be teaching the 3 r's to?
Certain things are supposed to be taught by parents of children, not strangers in a classroom. That's the problem, lazy ass parents that don't teach their kids. I'm sick to death of society putting the blame on everything but the good for nothing parents of these little savages.

It started when our nation started down the road to socialism. When the welfare state began it instilled a sense of entitlement and zero consequences. Go out and drink or gamble snort all your money. The gov't will give you a handout to keep eating and keep wasting your money. When that entitlement trickled into the kids, the teachers began seeing the consequence of entitled parents and were forced to take on some of that role. Now the gov't wants to mandate that the schools teach all morals (and almost to the point of religion) to all children. They don't want them to be OUR kids, they are the state's kids.

That's where we are at today, and we have to fight tooth and nail to take them back.

 

[jerseyben]

It started when our nation started down the road to socialism. When the welfare state began it instilled a sense of entitlement and zero consequences. Go out and drink or gamble snort all your money. The gov't will give you a handout to keep eating and keep wasting your money. When that entitlement trickled into the kids, the teachers began seeing the consequence of entitled parents and were forced to take on some of that role. Now the gov't wants to mandate that the schools teach all morals (and almost to the point of religion) to all children. They don't want them to be OUR kids, they are the state's kids.

That's where we are at today, and we have to fight tooth and nail to take them back.

Are you actually implying that because parents aren't raising their own kids, the state is somehow trying to claim them as their own?

You are taking that a bit too far... If anything, it is more like they are no one's kids because no one is raising them.
Eother that or they are just figuring it out as they go along or sadly on the streets.

 

[bevo]

the last few generations have built their houses upon sand. they are adrift in a sea of troubled water with no moral compass. I am a gen-x'er and feel very alone among my peers, thank God I was raised in an old school family. The things that come outa some of these idiots mouths is beyond my understanding. It is clear they get most of their info from t.v., so very disturbing. I me mine.

 

[diggummup]

Are you actually implying that because parents aren't raising their own kids, the state is somehow trying to claim them as their own?

You are taking that a bit too far... If anything, it is more like they are no one's kids because no one is raising them.
Eother that or they are just figuring it out as they go along or sadly on the streets.

I think it's more of "conditioning" type of thing. Get them (the kids and parents to an extent, currently) used to sucking on the gov's hind teet and it will become a commonplace and natural thinking order for future generations to come. Kind of like brainwashing, if you will. Believe it.