have you guys seen the new gold hog HOG PAN?

[vaquero44]

hey gold panners looks pretty neet to use but a little pricey at 279.00 but it is ruggeg has 5 year warranty 1/8th" thick built in grizzly plus fluid trap and has a piece of ur matting on the bottom its a great tool to have if you live in like the state of VT where its almost a pan only.

 

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[Goldwasher]

@ Socalmatt. I wonder about those slits as well. I plan on just scooping out anything that builds up in the concentration area. Theoretically the gold will have dropped due to the washing process. As long as the gravel looks clean I will be scooping some material out( below the grizz) and washing more ,trying to concentrate material and showing what I think the hop pan is capable of.

 

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[tyeechinook]

I would be very interested in testing one out...


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[H&F909ORO]

Saw it and liked it, but was worried about the weight. Might hurt your hands after a while, then I saw the price and thought I personally would rather keep the plastic pan rather than spend 279 on that piece of equipment. Although I do like the idea and I'm sure someone can build up one of their own for much cheaper if try wanted to.

 

[socalocmatt]

@ Socalmatt. I wonder about those slits as well. I plan on just scooping out anything that builds up in the concentration area. Theoretically the gold will have dropped due to the washing process. As long as the gravel looks clean I will be scooping some material out( below the grizz) and washing more ,trying to concentrate material and showing what I think the hop pan is capable of.

I'm sure Doc has gone over the different configurations. I figured that if the side slits were larger than the space between grizzly bars then material wouldn't be able to build up and clog the unit. If thats the case then users would be able to, theoretically, continuously feed the hogpan, wash & separate material, dump the larger material, and keep feeding with having to cleanout. That would also mean that the amount of cons held would never be greater that the under catch area which equals an almost perfect panfull.

Before opening up the slits more I'm gonna play around with adding a 1/8" punch plate over the grizzly bars. Now, I'm sure that the plate would get blocked up over time but it would be interesting to see how well the material is fluidized (if that's even a word. lol). Would the lighter material make its way out or would the unit build up with sand? From there I might open up the slits more. I don't think that that slits should be larger than spacing in the grizzly bars since it might be too large. It may be better to have a smaller space between the bars.

 

[arizau]

I'm sure Doc has gone over the different configurations. I figured that if the side slits were larger than the space between grizzly bars then material wouldn't be able to build up and clog the unit. If thats the case then users would be able to, theoretically, continuously feed the hogpan, wash & separate material, dump the larger material, and keep feeding with having to cleanout. That would also mean that the amount of cons held would never be greater that the under catch area which equals an almost perfect panfull.

Before opening up the slits more I'm gonna play around with adding a 1/8" punch plate over the grizzly bars. Now, I'm sure that the plate would get blocked up over time but it would be interesting to see how well the material is fluidized (if that's even a word. lol). Would the lighter material make its way out or would the unit build up with sand? From there I might open up the slits more. I don't think that that slits should be larger than spacing in the grizzly bars since it might be too large. It may be better to have a smaller space between the bars.

At some point (probably sooner rather than later) the chamber will form a mostly impenetrable bed of fines and small gravel, as I think there would be little to no agitation (of such material) in the chamber to allow further settling, thus subjecting any addition of material to flushing through the drain slots. This was pretty much confirmed by a response by Doc to one of my posts in another forum. I would follow Doc's instructions to clean out after every charge. It would be an interesting exercise to try to further concentrate the collected concentrates by re running them through the HPan in small batches and making sure you catch and pan out the waste material to see if this promoted any losses of previously captured gold. I also think that if most of your initial feed material will likely pass the grizzly then it will be best to run in smaller batches.

 

[2cmorau]

support those that support PLP, if ya wanna keep mining

 

[socalocmatt]

At some point (probably sooner rather than later) the chamber will form a mostly impenetrable bed of fines and small gravel, as I think there would be little to no agitation (of such material) in the chamber to allow further settling, thus subjecting any addition of material to flushing through the drain slots. This was pretty much confirmed by a response by Doc to one of my posts in another forum. I would follow Doc's instructions to clean out after every charge. It would be an interesting exercise to try to further concentrate the collected concentrates by re running them through the HPan in small batches and making sure you catch and pan out the waste material to see if this promoted any losses of previously captured gold. I also think that if most of your initial feed material will likely pass the grizzly then it will be best to run in smaller batches.

Great idea. I'll have to play around.

 

[NeoTokyo]

Ok so I just watched the video and while it is a cool design there is something on the market that already does that same thing and at a third the cost AND it has a lifetime warranty.
I am talking about the Pyramid Pro Gold Pan.

I am not trying to discount the Gold Hog pan, its just there is a cheaper and lighter with a better warranty alternative.
Now the Gold Hog is expensive because of the man hours that go into making it, if it were abs plastic and manufactured like the pyramid pan then it would be nice to see it at a competitive price point.

I bought a Pyramid Pro pan from Chip at the Miners Cache here in Redding about 8 months ago and it has paid for itself many times over already.
Its so super light that I just clip it to the outside of my backpack and go, no need to waste space inside your backpack.

Also, they say that the Gold Hog is legal everywhere that you can pan, not true, check you local regulations.
Because it has a classifier on the bottom Whiskeytown Natl. Rec Area in Shasta County Ca. will not allow it, the Pyramid Pan is approved there, I have confirmed it with every Ranger I meet and the visitor center.

Each System has Pro's and Con's, you have to visualize those and make a choice.

Otherwise, its a nice design, holds a little more material than the Pyramid Pan and you can beat a Cougar with it.


-Eric-

 

[NeoTokyo]

Oh and I forgot to say that the movement in the Pyramid Pro Pan is mostly in your wrists because it suspends on top of the water perfectly AND you can use it as an underwater sluice with a little fanning.

I have sat my happy butt in a nice deep hole many a time cleaning material underwater with just my snorkel sticking out because the thing is so easy to use underwater with a little shaking and fanning. :}
The material flies out but the gold just sinks. Another perk for those whom are Snipers like me.

 

[Duckwalk]

The hog pan is not the same as the pyramid pan. You would still have to classify for the pyramid pan. Also, if they say you cant use the hog pan, just show them the paperwork that comes with it certifying it as a pan and NOT a classifier.

 

[Dain8404]

I could be wrong here, but i have never heard of a place banning classifiers. And dont most people classify before working their pans? If a classifier is illegal but a pan is not, i would need justification and need to see it in regulation or policy, not the rangers mouth to believe it. Just my opinion.

 

[NeoTokyo]

East coast guys, us West Coast guys are getting raked over the coals on mining/prospecting policies.

With all due respect sir, shut up. lol (I mean this to be funny, not rude. )

We have talked about this in a couple threads before AND I have boring Govt' rules and regs for you to read that Hoser John kindly linked for me a while back.

We have to buy $1 dollar panning permits (Or face about a $100 dollar fine and loss of tools) per year, not bad really BUT they have the rules right on the back of the card.
This is quoting exactly off my panning card.

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Permitted:
* Recreational gold panning using a gold pan and digging tool with blade not larger than 4" wide x 8" long within the confines of any flowing stream unless designated closed by the Superintendent.

Prohibited:
* Utilization of a suction device, crevice cleaner, screen separator, view box, sluice box, rocker, dredge or any mechanical or hydraulic device, or skin diving equipment such as snorkel, mask, or wetsuit.
* Use of any toxic substance or chemical, including mercury.
* Panning outside the confines of the existing water levels, or digging into stream banks, or disturbing ground surfaces, or undermining vegetation, historic features or bridge abutment.

Title 36 CFR - Sec. 7.91 (d)


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[NeoTokyo]

The hog pan is not the same as the pyramid pan. You would still have to classify for the pyramid pan. Also, if they say you cant use the hog pan, just show them the paperwork that comes with it certifying it as a pan and NOT a classifier.

I do not classify my Pyramid pan, this is a self classifying pan and does NOT need to be classified.
Yah, I get that his video's show classified material but it doesn't matter, heavies settle down and the rocks float to the top and over the sides.

And your right, its not the same, its better impo. Although this is a biased opinion because I have not used the Gold Hog pan and it is purely based on one half video and one half real experience.

They can send me one to try and I will review it like I have done with a few other tools including a Gold Bug Pro and then I can give a better opinion, but I have not approached them about that yet.


Now back to the Gold Hog, you will still get the ticket and will still have your Gold Hog taken from you (Probably never to return) and you will have to fight it in court. That paper MAY save your butt in court BUT when they bring up an expanded view of the Gold Hog in court the Judge may side with the Rangers. Your talking about invoking a long and expensive fight that may be lost on simple design technicalities.

A paper can say a Hot Dog is a Doughnut but in the end everyone knows its a Hot Dog.


I have been detained and cuffed twice by whiskeytown rangers, both times let go after lengthy questioning and background checks.
I have NEVER been in cuffs before in my life except in Whiskeytown. I go back because it is MY LAND TOO! They want to scare people off, you cant let them do that.
The first time they detained me because I had my Gold Bug Pro taken apart NOT IN USE and SUPPOSEDLY YOU CANT EVEN TRAVEL THE HIWAY WITH ONE THROUGH THE PARK! pffft. whatever.
The second time I was swimming, SWIMMING!!! AND they accused me of stabbing someone in a town north of us, yah I went off on them for that one. lol

I don't drink, smoke, do drugs, do anything wrong or illegal and I still get treated like this, its not just me though, the Cancer is spreading and more innocent people are being harassed as the Parks Servies and Rangers of all offices try to rid the lands of the people who own them.

Don't get me wrong, there are some AWESOME rangers out there, Mike Dole of Whiskeytown is a freakin cool guy and deserves a raise for doing his job RIGHT because he is there for the Park and the People.

Anyways, I am going off on a tangent now.
Just understand that we are going through battles for our rights right now, inevitably leading to war.

 

[Dain8404]

East coast guys, us West Coast guys are getting raked over the coals on mining/prospecting policies. With all due respect sir, shut up. lol (I mean this to be funny, not rude. ) We have talked about this in a couple threads before AND I have boring Govt' rules and regs for you to read that Hoser John kindly linked for me a while back. We have to buy $1 dollar panning permits (Or face about a $100 dollar fine and loss of tools) per year, not bad really BUT they have the rules right on the back of the card. This is quoting exactly off my panning card. ========================================================================================================= Permitted: * Recreational gold panning using a gold pan and digging tool with blade not larger than 4" wide x 8" long within the confines of any flowing stream unless designated closed by the Superintendent. Prohibited: * Utilization of a suction device, crevice cleaner, screen separator, view box, sluice box, rocker, dredge or any mechanical or hydraulic device, or skin diving equipment such as snorkel, mask, or wetsuit. * Use of any toxic substance or chemical, including mercury. * Panning outside the confines of the existing water levels, or digging into stream banks, or disturbing ground surfaces, or undermining vegetation, historic features or bridge abutment. Title 36 CFR - Sec. 7.91 (d) ========================================================================================================= <img src="http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1030802"/>

My apologies. I did not realize there was actual documentation on it. I do find it a bit odd that they wont allow classifiers, but i dont make the rules. That is crazy if you ask me. But thank you for pointing that out.

I never ment any disrespect. I have been in instances where a ranger or an official told me i couldnt do something. When i asked where i could find the information, they dropped the issue and couldnt produce. I feel that most get that position or title and they own the park/land. Was basing it off past experiences.

 

[SHoward]

I first got into prospecting while I was in the Navy stationed in Long Beach back in the early 80's. My best friend and his dad were big into it and took me along. That 6" dredge was one heck of a work out but a lot of fun and gold. I hate it that you West coast folks have been regulated out of being able to do that anymore and it's probably just a matter of time before the EPA Nazi's start looking our way.

 

[Dain8404]

Agree Showard. I myself am still in the navy. Stationed at Parris Island. So its a drive (4-5 hrs) to get to a spot. Lets hope they at least stay on that side or just go away.

 

[NeoTokyo]

Naw, I didn't see any disrespect from you guys, I was just trying to be funny and informative.

We have a judge that is suppose to be more for miners rights at this time but we wont really know anything for a few weeks, I don't remember the exact date.
There is some new bullshit rising up now about how miners disturb mercury.... bah, what the duck ever!

Last year I removed several ounces of pooled mercury and mercury covered gold, not to mention POUNDS of lead.
Most miners do this because we want to be respectful and clean what others left, but in their mind we are making more problems....

-Eric-

 

[Oregon Viking]

Naw, I didn't see any disrespect from you guys, I was just trying to be funny and informative.

We have a judge that is suppose to be more for miners rights at this time but we wont really know anything for a few weeks, I don't remember the exact date.
There is some new bullshit rising up now about how miners disturb mercury.... bah, what the duck ever!



Last year I removed several ounces of pooled mercury and mercury covered gold, not to mention POUNDS of lead.
Most miners do this because we want to be respectful and clean what others left, but in their mind we are making more problems....

-Eric-

Is Redding going to be part of the state of Jefferson?
I hope this judge is "for the people" ......the miners not the sierra club!!

 

[NeoTokyo]

If the state of Jefferson happens Redding will be part of it, too many people support it here to let officials say no.

Shasta county did vote against it though last month.
Pro Jefferson State folks were pissed because they took so little time on the decision so it may come back up.

I don't know enough about it to make a good decision myself, though most of my friends are Pro State of Jefferson.

 

[Goodyguy]

The hog pan is not the same as the pyramid pan. You would still have to classify for the pyramid pan. Also, if they say you cant use the hog pan, just show them the paperwork that comes with it certifying it as a pan and NOT a classifier.

Even the Hog pan website lists a disclaimer that warns that it's the users responsibility to check with local laws first to ensure the pan's legality.
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