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[arnofarrell]

I was wondering today this question, did Adam Lansa have use an AR15 at Sandy Hook? Seriously, I have heard conflicting reports since this has happened. Was it in the trunk of his car? Was it with him in the school? I just wish I could get a straight up answer.

Another question is why don't people use Colombin Colorado as an example that the assault weapons ban doesn't work? Conneticut adopted thise same laws after the ban was lifted and Sandy Hook still happened. Just my thoughts.

 

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Lanza managed to shoot all his victims and kill himself within five minutes of making his way into the school, said state prosecutor Stephen Sedensky, in a statement accompanying Thursday's release of the search warrants.

The 20 children and six staff members were all killed with a Bushmaster .223-calibre rifle.

The gun Lanza turned on himself was a Glock 10mm handgun, Mr Sedensky said.

Lanza also had a loaded 9mm Sig Sauer handgun with him in the school and three 30-round magazines for the rifle.

Obama: Shame on us if we've forgotten Newtown

At the scene, investigators found 154 used .223 casings.

One more weapon - a 12-gauge shotgun with 70 rounds - was discovered in the Honda Civic that Lanza drove to the school.

Although the description of the gunman in search warrants suggests he was found wearing military-style clothing and a bullet-proof vest, prosecutors said on Wednesday Lanza was not wearing such a vest.

In the gunman's two-storey family home, investigators found a bayonet, a gun safe in Lanza's bedroom, three samurai swords and about 10 knives, according to search warrants.

Several guns were retrieved: a .323-calibre Enfield Albian bolt-action rifle, a .22-calibre Savage Mark II rifle, a BB gun and a .22-calibre Volcanic starter pistol, according to the papers.

The documents showed the gunman's mother, 52-year-old Nancy Lanza, had written a cheque for her son to buy a weapon and placed it in a holiday card.

 

[Backbacon]

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Here' the English version.

 

[0121stockpicker]

I was wondering today this question, did Adam Lansa have use an AR15 at Sandy Hook? Seriously, I have heard conflicting reports since this has happened. Was it in the trunk of his car? Was it with him in the school? I just wish I could get a straight up answer.

Another question is why don't people use Colombin Colorado as an example that the assault weapons ban doesn't work? Conneticut adopted thise same laws after the ban was lifted and Sandy Hook still happened. Just my thoughts.

1. Would it ever change anyone's "mind" regardless of how much "proof" was presented. It will just be added to the long list of wacko conspiracies like the moon landing and 9/11. If its one thing I've learned around here is that people can be absolutely convicted of the craziest things no matter how much proof to the contrary is presented. Sandy hook has already become a conspiracy theory so way too late for the truth.

2. Does a single or multiple examples of something happening mean that a law doesn't work. That's a false logic argument. The other problem with this line of thinking is how do you prove that it IS working? You are not going to prove that a crime WAS NOT committed because of a law - correct. Though I agree with your thesis that the fawb probably had minimal impact on preventing gun violence. I think any piece mail approach will have similar impact.

 

[Bum Luck]

Arno, from Wikipedia:
In the months prior to the attacks, Harris and Klebold acquired two 9 mm firearms and two 12-gauge shotguns. Their friend Robyn Anderson bought a rifle and the two shotguns at the Tanner Gun Show in December 1998.[SUP][17][/SUP] Through Philip Duran,[SUP][18][/SUP] another friend, Harris and Klebold later bought a handgun from Mark Manes for $500.
Using instructions acquired upon the Internet, Harris and Klebold constructed a total of 99 improvised explosive devices of various designs and sizes. They sawed the barrels and butts off their shotguns to make them easier to conceal.[SUP][4][/SUP] They committed numerous felony violations of state and federal law, including the National Firearms Act and the Gun Control Act of 1968, before they began the massacre.
On April 20, Harris was equipped with a 12-gauge Savage-Springfield 67H pump-action shotgun, (which he discharged a total of 25 times) and a Hi-Point 995 Carbine 9 mm carbine with thirteen 10-round magazines, which he fired a total of 96 times.
Klebold was equipped with a 9 mm Intratec TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun with one 52-, one 32-, and one 28-round magazine and a 12-gauge Stevens 311D double-barreled sawed-off shotgun. Klebold primarily fired the TEC-9 handgun, for a total of 55 times.

Another question is why don't people use Colombin Colorado as an example that the assault weapons ban doesn't work? Conneticut adopted thise same laws after the ban was lifted and Sandy Hook still happened. Just my thoughts.

I will say that

1: Columbine was a huge law enforcement failure. The police mulled around outside because of a "bomb threat"; that supposedly was department policy. I'll bet it isn't now. I've had this conversation with Law Enforcement personnel around here.

2: Would the "assault weapons ban" have prevented Sandy Hook? Not in my opinion. He could have used pistols, shotguns, swords, machetes, etc. All ugly outcomes.

However: The Columbine High School destruction occurred despite the fact that there was an armed security officer at the school and another one nearby -- exactly what LaPierre argued on Friday was the answer to stopping "a bad guy with a gun."

So much for easy answers. (as always)

 

[onfire]

Arno, from Wikipedia:
In the months prior to the attacks, Harris and Klebold acquired two 9 mm firearms and two 12-gauge shotguns. Their friend Robyn Anderson bought a rifle and the two shotguns at the Tanner Gun Show in December 1998.[SUP][17][/SUP] Through Philip Duran,[SUP][18][/SUP] another friend, Harris and Klebold later bought a handgun from Mark Manes for $500.
Using instructions acquired upon the Internet, Harris and Klebold constructed a total of 99 improvised explosive devices of various designs and sizes. They sawed the barrels and butts off their shotguns to make them easier to conceal.[SUP][4][/SUP] They committed numerous felony violations of state and federal law, including the National Firearms Act and the Gun Control Act of 1968, before they began the massacre.
On April 20, Harris was equipped with a 12-gauge Savage-Springfield 67H pump-action shotgun, (which he discharged a total of 25 times) and a Hi-Point 995 Carbine 9 mm carbine with thirteen 10-round magazines, which he fired a total of 96 times.
Klebold was equipped with a 9 mm Intratec TEC-9 semi-automatic handgun with one 52-, one 32-, and one 28-round magazine and a 12-gauge Stevens 311D double-barreled sawed-off shotgun. Klebold primarily fired the TEC-9 handgun, for a total of 55 times.





I will say that

1: Columbine was a huge law enforcement failure. The police mulled around outside because of a "bomb threat"; that supposedly was department policy. I'll bet it isn't now. I've had this conversation with Law Enforcement personnel around here.

2: Would the "assault weapons ban" have prevented Sandy Hook? Not in my opinion. He could have used pistols, shotguns, swords, machetes, etc. All ugly outcomes.

However: The Columbine High School destruction occurred despite the fact that there was an armed security officer at the school and another one nearby -- exactly what LaPierre argued on Friday was the answer to stopping "a bad guy with a gun."

So much for easy answers. (as always)

Am I wrong that Columbine was one of the first of these shooting? So at that time having a armed security officer on site probably was caught off guard, because who would have thought A couple of id iots would even think of doing this.
I think people are a little more app to react now. Florida U proves that. So therefore there are no easy answers.

 

[Dano Sverige]

I had a thread about lanza and his AR-15....seems it's been deleted for some unknown reason! So i'm sulking and not gonna answer now!

 

[DigginThePast]

Did the psycho use an AR? All “official” reports thus far claim that he did indeed. However, I'll never be convinced and here's why. Several friends, family members and myself, all of whom are quite acquainted with firearms are also quite close to Sandy Hook. I knew there was a school shooting(but not the severity) within ten minutes of the 911 call. I made several calls as did others and several of those friends and family members got glued to live television coverage and many of them claim that an AR platform rifle was removed from the suspect's car in the early afternoon hours, during daylight. This was NOT the later night time footage showing the Saiga shotgun being removed from the trunk. Alas, I can find no supportive footage of their claims online but I do trust them. Some of the people that have told me this are people I'd trust my life with and as I've said, they are well versed in firearms. Additionally, there were two adults wounded in the shooting. One of these has not had her name released to the public and I've had opportunity to speak with a relative of hers. This relative told me that she was shot multiple times with a handgun, no AR. This while the police claim there were only two shots fired from any firearm other than the AR and one of those was the fatal self inflicted shot to the psycho.



Did the psycho use an AR? It doesn't matter at this point. The gun abolitionists have set their sights on fully eroding the Second Amendment and are happy with doing it in whatever incremental steps they can achieve. With the essentially unprecedented scope of the Sandy Hook slaughter they believed they could get a major score for their side but they didn't expect the intensity and quality of push back from gun owners. At this point law enforcement could come out with a statement there was in fact no AR at the school at all and plenty of anti-gunners would still push for a ban on them as they feel “no one needs one anyway”.


Our “fearless” “leaders” don't care for facts either. If they did this debate would have been over long ago. Not only do we have not infringing upon in the Second Amendment. We also have other aspects of the Constitution pertaining to enacting laws and Property Rights including the Fourteenth Amendment where we have the Due Process Clause and this essentially says that laws must only be effected due to established supportive evidence, that they not be arbitrary or based on opinion of the legislative body. We need to look no further than official FBI crime data to see that “assault weapons” are very rarely used in the commission of crimes and thus there is no basis for their ban argument. In my opinion the former Federal (and current CT) assault weapons ban would not pass muster under critique by the Supreme Court. My opinion should be further supported by D.C. v. Heller where the Court upheld the Second as an Individual Right.


The Constitution is the Law Of The Land. The legislative body suggests to violate these laws in effort to protect citizens from other law breakers and then concede that their suggested laws may have no real affect anyway. Pathological isn't it?

 

[Chadeaux]

Additionally, there were two adults wounded in the shooting. One of these has not had her name released to the public and I've had opportunity to speak with a relative of hers. This relative told me that she was shot multiple times with a handgun, no AR. This while the police claim there were only two shots fired from any firearm other than the AR and one of those was the fatal self inflicted shot to the psycho.

 

[DigginThePast]

What's your thoughts on the moon landing and 9/11?

Irrelevant and likely not consistent with what you think they may be. Care to try again?

 

[Chadeaux]

No as I do not believe that there is any sandy hook conspiracy going on. Are you now the site watchdog? Don't you think you have your hands full just watching your own posts as opposed to others. Maybe you should practice what you are preaching? Stones and glass houses?? You get the drift right. Prob best if you just go back to posting on the issues. While I'm flattered you have this fixation with me it's getting a little bit creepy. Plenty of issues to be discussed.

"Vitriol", isn't that the word you like to use? If you keep directing your vitriol towards others, you should first make sure it is properly aimed because it's much like a bullet. You can't call it back.

Your post was an insult, much as your reply to my post is.

The issue is the Second Amendment. You say it isn't endangered, I say it is. The difference is, your guy in DC gave me ammunition for my statements and you? He hopes you'll continue to cover for him while unarmed. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

 

[0121stockpicker]

"Vitriol", isn't that the word you like to use? If you keep directing your vitriol towards others, you should first make sure it is properly aimed because it's much like a bullet. You can't call it back.

Your post was an insult, much as your reply to my post is.

The issue is the Second Amendment. You say it isn't endangered, I say it is. The difference is, your guy in DC gave me ammunition for my statements and you? He hopes you'll continue to cover for him while unarmed. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

Actually I think that's the first time I used it. Had REM running through my mind for some reason. And you certainly have the full right to believe the 2nd is in danger. That is your constitutional right and I totally respect your opinion. Hopefully everyone on this board can learn to respect others opinions. I believe in the United States of America we are all entitled to them aren't we?

 

[onfire]

Just put a nice anti Obama rant in your post and then you will be all set. No worries of it getting deleted then

Stocky are you really our king in disguise? And just farking around with us?

 

[onfire]

Nope just part of the new world order - international banking branch!

I just know the rules of the game around here. If you want to get a good reaction to your post just throw some anti Obama rants into it.

If anyone who is a republican really want to make a diff they will focus more on fixing the dysfunctional party as opposed to just whining about Obama. Hold the party accountable.

We're trying here in wis. Scott walker and a few others in the congress but sometimes no matter what you do the media generator just calls them out as (you fill in the blank)

 

[0121stockpicker]

We're trying here in wis. Scott walker and a few others in the congress but sometimes no matter what you do the media generator just calls them out as (you fill in the blank)

I was hoping that the tea party would be the answer but it seems like they have lost cohesion and lost their original message. I think in the end it might be best if the two party system splits into the four or five party system. It would be nice if I actually voted "for" a candidate instead of just voting "against" a candidate.

 

[arnofarrell]

In the gunman's two-storey family home, investigators found a bayonet, a gun safe in Lanza's bedroom, three samurai swords and about 10 knives, according to search warrants.

Several guns were retrieved: a .323-calibre Enfield Albian bolt-action rifle, a .22-calibre Savage Mark II rifle, a BB gun and a .22-calibre Volcanic starter pistol, according to the papers.

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The description reminds me of my office. Also I have alot worse stuff than a bb gun.

 

[arnofarrell]

I was hoping that the tea party would be the answer but it seems like they have lost cohesion and lost their original message. I think in the end it might be best if the two party system splits into the four or five party system. It would be nice if I actually voted "for" a candidate instead of just voting "against" a candidate.

I actually agree with you on this. Every election I have voted like this because the guy I like in the primary ends up losing. I wish the Tea party would of made more of a presents in the last few years. It seemed like they could of made a real diffrence but now you barely hear about them.

 

[Red James Cash]

.323-calibre Enfield Albian bolt-action rifle

An interesting gun to own seeing as how one was never designed,manufactured or exists

 

[0121stockpicker]

I actually agree with you on this. Every election I have voted like this because the guy I like in the primary ends up losing. I wish the Tea party would of made more of a presents in the last few years. It seemed like they could of made a real diffrence but now you barely hear about them.

They were exactly what was needed after the repubs lost their "fiscal way" under the bush years. That should have been the simple message of the tea party - fiscal responsibility. But then they went down the path that I think kills the repubs every time which is starting to back fringe social issues. As soon as they started down that path they lost all the mainstream republicans such as myself. Hopefully they can get back on message.

 

[Dano Sverige]

An interesting gun to own seeing as how one was never designed,manufactured or exists

I suspect what he actually had was a commercial 8mm Lee-Enfield chambered for the 8x50 Mannlicher round and often called the .315 in British ammunition catalogues. This was a common commercial version of the L-E, especially in India where civilian ownership of .303 inch rifles was banned. The Indian State Ammunition factory still offers the round today. It is not a big jump for the media to convert 8mm to .323 inch.

I also suspect that the "Albian" part should be "Albion" (as in England) and is probably a trade name for whoever converted/made the rifle.
Other than this...it's probably a typo by someone who knows not a lot about guns! A .303 Lee Enfield with parts possibly made by Albion motors and sheet metal (Birmingham).