Great Seal Button Backmarks Help

[Bigcypresshunter]

I am assembling a list of US Army Great Seal button backmarks 1902-present.. This seems to be the most complete list available anywhere. With the help of TN members, I am occasionally adding and improving upon it. So far I have over 100 different backmarks. Anyone with a Great Seal button backmark or backmark variation not listed please post the pic and Ill add it. The thread is already so long its not necessary to add anything already pictured. Thanks.

This is how it all started:


I bought 2 bags of small Great Seal of US buttons for a buck at a flea market. Can someone help me date these backmarks? I believe they are all post 1902. I cant find anything else online.

1- Top row SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY
3- Bottom CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.
4- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Button Date Help

BigCypressHunter,

You may have seen this link already but just in case. It has lots of button backmarks with their dates.

http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimyce/bm.html

HH!
-Moe

That link does not apply to more modern Great Seal buttons or is in error. If you notice under Scovill I have the same SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY backmark but Great Seal buttons are post 1902.

That backmark was used during the CW, post-CW, Indian Wars, Turn of the Century, early 20th c. ...

The deciding factor is the Size of the lettering on the backmark, the presence of one ring or two, or a dotted ring around the shank, etc. Do you have a copy of Tice's book? If so, check out the Plates in the beginning of the book. If not, I'll try to make some time to do a little work on this for you. Eve though Tice doesn't list buttons made after the CW, in his preliminary remarks about dating buttons, he lists backmarks and rough time frames for the big producers.

Waterbury Button Co. is 20th c. for sure...but I'll look up the exact dates later for you. Time to hit the sack...


-Buckles

I think it should say 1855- 1965. Possibly a typo.

Could be, but I just use the books when I can. I don't trust the net. Again, with that backmark--it's the Size of the letters, and other features that determines the date range.

ALSO MISPELLED WATERBURY (WATURBURY)

 

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[Mike from MI]

Re: Button Date Help

Great seal made in 1902, and used a long time after that. Nice buttons.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Button Date Help

Heres the list so far of Great Seal Button backmarks.

Note may be some errors. If anyone can add to it post the pic.





1- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.- WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK- 1877-1955
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO WWI
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC CONN modern
11- W W W W (waterbury) modern
12- D. EVANS CO. ATTLESBORO, MASS. 1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. * WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS * NEW YORK *
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*
16- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO. UTICA N.Y. WWI

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Button Date Help

Added more backmarks. AM. BUTTON CO. NEWARK, N.J. and C KENYON CO. NEW YORK


1- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.- WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK- 1877-1955
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO WWI
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC CONN modern
11- W W W W (waterbury) modern
12- D. EVANS CO. ATTLESBORO, MASS. 1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. * WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS * NEW YORK *
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.* WWI
16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.* 1902-1917
17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO. UTICA N.Y. WWI
18- C KENYON CO. NEW YORK WWI- 1930

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Button Date Help

Another Great Seal button to add to the list.

C KENYON CO. NEW YORK

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Button Date Help

1- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.- WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK- 1877-1955
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO WWI
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC CONN modern
11- W W W W (waterbury) modern
12- D. EVANS CO. ATTLESBORO, MASS. 1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. * WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS * NEW YORK *
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.* WWI
16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.* 1902-1917
17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO. UTICA N.Y. WWI
18- C KENYON CO. NEW YORK pre-WWI- 1930
19- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.

 

[allen]

Re: Button Date Help

definetily a good buy for a $1.00.

 

[IronSpike]

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Is crazyjarhead's button the same as number 7 on list or does the 'Newark N J' marking add another to the list?

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,235071.0.html

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

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Is crazyjarhead's button the same as number 7 on list or does the 'Newark N J' marking add another to the list?

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,235071.0.html

Yes I think its another variation. I will add it. Thanks. (Late for work now).

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Button Date Help

I added it.


1- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.- WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK- 1877-1955
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO WWI
7b- R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC CONN modern
11- W W W W (waterbury) modern
12- D. EVANS CO. ATTLESBORO, MASS. 1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. * WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS * NEW YORK *
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.* WWI
16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.* 1902-1917
17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO. UTICA N.Y. WWI
18- C KENYON CO. NEW YORK WWI- 1930
19- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Button Date Help

New button added. Metal Specialties Co Attleboro, Mass.
Military Button-Metal Specialties Co Attleboro, Mass


1- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY 1850-1962
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.- WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK- 1877-1923
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO WWI
7b- R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC CONN modern
11- W W W W (waterbury) modern
12- D. EVANS CO. ATTLESBORO, MASS. 1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. * WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS * NEW YORK *
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.* WWI
16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.* 1902-1917
17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO. UTICA N.Y. WWI
18- C KENYON CO. NEW YORK pre-WWI- 1930
19- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
20-METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS. (painted black) 1940-1945

 

[Woodland Detectors]

Re: Button Date Help

Great thread

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Button Date Help

I may have another backmark here. I found this pic online but cant read it. Any help?

I think it may end with WORKS INC.

I also see -NEWARK N.J.-

 

[Cappy Z.]

Re: Button Date Help

I may have another backmark here. I found this pic online but cant read it. Any help?

I think it may end with WORKS INC.

I also see -NEWARK N.J.-

I blew it up...I think it says Newark NJ Inc M T Works Newark NJ

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Button Date Help

I may have another backmark here. I found this pic online but cant read it. Any help?

I think it may end with WORKS INC.

I also see -NEWARK N.J.-

I blew it up...I think it says Newark NJ Inc M T Works Newark NJ

I think maybe ART MT ? WORKS INC -NEWARK N.J.-

Something is missing before WORKS.

 

[IronSpike]

Re: Button Date Help

Art metal works Inc.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...ages?q=art+metal+works+newark&hl=en&sa=N&um=1

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Button Date Help

Art metal works Inc.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...ages?q=art+metal+works+newark&hl=en&sa=N&um=1

I cant find mention of it on your link but I think you got it. Do you think this is the correct ID and can I add it to the list? Do you know the dates?

 

[IronSpike]

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There is some text above the pic of the button. No back pic of the button, however finder states it reads: "The Art Metal Works, Newark N.J." Company operating from around 1900 to 1930. In 1930's was changed to Ronson Art Metal Works.

I think it's another Great Seal button manufacturer. There could be several models from this manufacturer

This thread is a great idea and reference tool. I'll know exactly where to check when I find my first Great Seal button

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Button Date Help

1- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY 1850-1962
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.- WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK- 1877-1923
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO WWI
7b- R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC CONN modern
11- W W W W (waterbury) modern
12- D. EVANS CO. ATTLESBORO, MASS. 1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. * WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS * NEW YORK *
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.* WWI
16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.* 1902-1917
17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO. UTICA N.Y. WWI
18- C KENYON CO. NEW YORK pre-WWI- 1930
19- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
20-METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS. (painted black) 1940-1945
21-ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.- 1900-1930 approx.

 

[Cappy Z.]

Re: Button Date Help

Okay I want to know.

What's the cash worth?

I'm drooling...
8)