Great Seal Button Backmarks Help

[Bigcypresshunter]

I am assembling a list of US Army Great Seal button backmarks 1902-present.. This seems to be the most complete list available anywhere. With the help of TN members, I am occasionally adding and improving upon it. So far I have over 100 different backmarks. Anyone with a Great Seal button backmark or backmark variation not listed please post the pic and Ill add it. The thread is already so long its not necessary to add anything already pictured. Thanks.

This is how it all started:


I bought 2 bags of small Great Seal of US buttons for a buck at a flea market. Can someone help me date these backmarks? I believe they are all post 1902. I cant find anything else online.

1- Top row SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO WATERBURY
3- Bottom CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.
4- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.

 

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[diggummup]

Yup, a couple weeks ago. You didn't notice the site is alot faster now?

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Yup, a couple weeks ago. You didn't notice the site is alot faster now?

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,453356.0.html

I noticed my Charter Membership disappeared. Yes it is faster but my email is much slower lol. Marc is gone? Thanks for the link. I will read it.

 

[diggummup]

Yup, a couple weeks ago. You didn't notice the site is alot faster now?

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,453356.0.html

I noticed my Charter Membership disappeared. Yes it is faster but my email is much slower lol. Marc is gone? Thanks for the link. I will read it.

Maybe it just expired, coincidence? Marc is gone in the sense that he no longer owns the site but i'm sure he'll be stopping in every now and then.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Back to the subject. Here are the Litchfield buttons. These appear to be a rare pre WWI backmark.

J.M. LITCHFIELD - S.F. CAL. 1902-1906

 

[diggummup]

I remember Marc gave everyone an extra month or something because the forum was down for a week or something like that?? What do you mean your emails are frozen? Your pm's? You can't access them?

As far as the Great Seal buttons go, I have several different backmarks, all listed. I do however have one button that doesn't match anything, but then I think it may not be a Great Seal because it lacks the constellation of 13 stars and the ribbon in the eagles mouth, it's only 16mm-



Also, you've probably already mentioned it in this thread, but when do the (no backmark) plastic or celluloid buttons date to? WWII?

 

[fyrffytr1]

Vegetable ivory (a nut) was used in the WWI years as an alternative and plastic, even cow horn were experimental in WWII. I think it would be cool to have one of the ivory ones as well as one made out of cow horn.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I remember Marc gave everyone an extra month or something because the forum was down for a week or something like that?? What do you mean your emails are frozen? Your pm's? You can't access them?

As far as the Great Seal buttons go, I have several different backmarks, all listed. I do however have one button that doesn't match anything, but then I think it may not be a Great Seal because it lacks the constellation of 13 stars and the ribbon in the eagles mouth, it's only 16mm-

Also, you've probably already mentioned it in this thread, but when do the (no backmark) plastic or celluloid buttons date to? WWII?

Yea maybe that was it. My pm box was instantly full so I deleted most of my pms so it works now. No biggie. Apparently you have limited space, no search and slower e-mail service as a non-charter member and thats the way it should be. Ill just have to get used to it or pay up.


The button you posted is Indian War. The plastic buttons are cool, no backmark. Yours look newer than WWII but not sure. I cant see the shank.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Vegetable ivory (a nut) was used in the WWI years as an alternative and plastic, even cow horn were experimental in WWII. I think it would be cool to have one of the ivory ones as well as one made out of cow horn.

I have an "Ivorine" backmark pictured and vegetable ivory types but it would be cool to see the cow horn.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Another rare backmark; bad pics but not on the lists. Sold http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...QD1OvA0S3fsOax3q7Iqmg%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

ARNHEIM NEW YORK listed as 1867-1895? (must be WWI) http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimyce/bm.html

 

[Tony (NC)]

Got another variation.....

Saw this one on Ebay....

*FIRMIN* LONDON

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Got another variation.....

Saw this one on Ebay....

*FIRMIN* LONDON

Nice one. Not on the list.

 

[lisabell]

Re: Got another variation.....


Hi am new to this site and the button thing, but it has been sooo much fun! Hours and hours to not find much of what I need. I have a button that has nothing on one side and a * crown * then it says treble * plated . thwe treble plated circles around the bottom of the button and the crown is towards the top. Anybody have any clues for me?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Got another variation.....

Hi am new to this site and the button thing, but it has been sooo much fun! Hours and hours to not find much of what I need. I have a button that has nothing on one side and a * crown * then it says treble * plated . thwe treble plated circles around the bottom of the button and the crown is towards the top. Anybody have any clues for me?

Sure, go to the "What Is It" section and click on "POST NEW TOPIC" http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/board,14.0.html

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I found my first US Army Great Seal button manufactured in Melbourne, Australia.

Backmark K.G. LUKE PTY. LTD. * MELB AUST. * 5/8" and 7/8"

 

[rockermike17368]

Looking for some Great Seal buttons for my collection....

Hello All! Just started on this site.... I am searching for particular Great Seal buttons. ANY help will be appreciated. Here is my list:

B.B.Abrahams/Philadelphia
S.Appel & Co. (coat size)
E.A.Armstrong
Bernhard & Schrag & Co. (coat size)
Best & Co. NY
Brooks Brothers (any type or size)
Chapsal & Michaul/Paris
Clayton/Chicago
Columbia Button Works/Rutherford NJ (with co. name spelled out)
DeMoulin Bros. (coat size)
James C. Doran & Sons/Providence R.I.
Dusenbury & Schwab Inc./New York/229-4th Ave
Fa Ne Di Lorenzo/Firenze
Ford Uniform Co.
Frateli Reanda/Roma
Greenwood Co./Detroit Mich
Johnson/Milano
Jennens & Co. (gilt)
D.Klein & Bros./Philadelphia
Frank J. Krupp/Washington
S&B Lederer Co./Providence R.I.
Lewis MS Co. San Antonio
W&S Lyon Co. NY
W.S.Mangre & Co./San Fransico Calif
McEnany & Scott NY Made in England
SN Meyer/Washington
Publix Theater Corp NY
Reliable Mfg Co./Newark NJ
Alfredo Roensch (applied device)
Josh Starkey (listed in Johnson's book)
State Arsenal/Harrisburg PA
T.W.&W./Paris
Tiffany & Co. (any type or size)
Travis Merchantile Co./San Antonio Tx
Unif Acc Co. (Uniform Accessory Co.)
Walcott Mfg. Co Providence R.I.
Wender & Goldstein Brooklyn NY
J.H.Wilson/Philadelphia

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Hello All! Just started on this site.... I am searching for particular Great Seal buttons. ANY help will be appreciated. Here is my list:

B.B.Abrahams/Philadelphia
S.Appel & Co. (coat size)
E.A.Armstrong
Bernhard & Schrag & Co. (coat size)
Best & Co. NY
Brooks Brothers (any type or size)
Chapsal & Michaul/Paris
Columbia Button Works/Rutherford NJ (with co. name spelled out)
DeMoulin Bros. (coat size)
James C. Doran & Sons/Providence R.I.
Dusenbury & Schwab Inc./New York/229-4th Ave
Fa Ne Di Lorenzo/Firenze
Ford Uniform Co.
Frateli Reanda/Roma
Greenwood Co./Detroit Mich
Jennens & Co. (gilt)
D.Klein & Bros./Philadelphia
Frank J. Krupp/Washington
S&B Lederer Co./Providence R.I.
Lewis MS Co. San Antonio
W&S Lyon Co. NY
W.S.Mangre & Co./San Fransico Calif
McEnany & Scott NY Made in England
SN Meyer/Washington
Publix Theater Corp NY
Reliable Mfg Co./Newark NJ
Alfredo Roensch (applied device)
Josh Starkey (listed in Johnson's book)
State Arsenal/Harrisburg PA
T.W.&W./Paris
Tiffany & Co. (any type or size)
Travis Merchantile Co./San Antonio Tx
Unif Acc Co. (Uniform Accessory Co.)
Walcott Mfg. Co Providence R.I.
Wender & Glodstein Brooklyn NY
J.H.Wilson/Philadelphia

Thanks Mike for the additional backmarks. Im not sure if I have any but Ill take a look. Can I ask, where did you get this list?

 

[rockermike17368]

To Bigcypresshunter: If you have an extra one of the button you have in the picture and willing to part with it, I would be interested... Let me know!

 

[rockermike17368]

I've been collecting Great Seals for about 20yrs. I compiled this list from numerous sources. I have about 625 varieties so far. It's a very good button for specializing in.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

To Bigcypresshunter: If you have an extra one of the button you have in the picture and willing to part with it, I would be interested... Let me know!

The Australian buttons were on eBay but I didnt purchase them.

 

[Roff]

I suspect this was answered somewhere in this thread. I found a great seal button with no back mark. What does this mean?