Gods country gone to hell and turned into a garbage pile in less than 200 years

[ARC]

I think I saw something about plastics made that would decompose in less than 5 years? Sounds promising.

if you leave a water bottle OR plastic bag in the sun here for one year... it would crumble if you grabbed it.

 

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[BillA]

same down here

 

[IMAUDIGGER]

I think I saw something about plastics made that would decompose in less than 5 years? Sounds promising.

Yes and those biodegradable plastics are made from renewable natural products (logged, mined, and farmed). some are actually made from raw food crops..?!

So the activists fight to shut down those industries..then get behind new biodegradable plastics..that are reliant on what they are fighting..? I don't know.

 

[IMAUDIGGER]

Renewable raw materials...wonder if those are trees, crops, or animals?
If we are going to convert the massive plastic industry to start using renewable raw materials...where are they going to come from?

So instead of using a paper bag that turns to dirt..we use one of those "green" bags shown in the pic above that are made from similar renewable raw materials.

 

[SanMan]

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Renewable raw materials...wonder if those are trees, crops, or animals?
If we are going to convert the massive plastic industry to start using renewable raw materials...where are they going to come from?

So instead of using a paper bag that turns to dirt..we use one of those "green" bags shown in the pic above that are made from similar renewable raw materials.

I remember plastic grocery bags that were made from corn.
Haven't seen them for a very long time.
Here, on the West coast, you have to bring a bag, or buy a bag.

 

[Bum Luck]

As the one being called a sheep, I must say I didn't take it too b-a-a-a-a-a-d.

Channeling Robin Williams, I see.

A good one to channel.

 

[Bum Luck]

Prime example how a simple post of pollution got turned into the subject it has, we the people are responsible for the travesty we created not about who’s cleaning it up. Appreciate the opportunity to express your opinions which we are still aloud so far.

49er,

This is not brilliant, but long ago, as bad as it seems now, people just threw their garbage out the car window on to the roadways. It looked terrible.

US, Canada too.

So, we passed anti-littering laws. Everyone complained about the do-gooders, and how $300 was way too much money and so unfair. Many self-pity stories, many made up. "The county has to have something to do." - ya, your tax dollars at work, right?

After some years, wadda ya know - it changed, and no longer was the normal. The landscape looked good, and for the most part, no one does it anymore.

We can change, but we either have to do it as part of a community feeling, or a little coarser and more expensive and oppressive solution, or bad consequences.

 

[BillA]

BL you are describing the educational process
speaking from a 3ed world country I would opine that it is a long road

 

[Megalodon]

49er,

This is not brilliant, but long ago, as bad as it seems now, people just threw their garbage out the car window on to the roadways. It looked terrible.

US, Canada too.

So, we passed anti-littering laws. Everyone complained about the do-gooders, and how $300 was way too much money and so unfair. Many self-pity stories, many made up. "The county has to have something to do." - ya, your tax dollars at work, right?

After some years, wadda ya know - it changed, and no longer was the normal. The landscape looked good, and for the most part, no one does it anymore.

We can change, but we either have to do it as part of a community feeling, or a little coarser and more expensive and oppressive solution, or bad consequences.

Aside from "Alice's Restaurant", I've never heard of anyone charged with littering. Not littering has become almost mainstream. I have an alcoholic friend who - when he was still drinking, would drink and drive (luckily never harmed anyone) and could not bring himself to litter. This resulted in him driving surrounded by the physical evidence of his drinking & driving. The number of empty beer cans, at times, would occupy much of the passenger space in his truck when on a long trip since he measured distance by how many beers it would take to reach his destination (like normal people would estimate fuel needed). A trip of 600-700 miles, for example, was about a case of beer. Some people won't litter even when it would help them in discarding evidence of their drinking.

 

[BillA]

Aside from "Alice's Restaurant", I've never heard of anyone charged with littering. Not littering has become almost mainstream. I have an alcoholic friend who - when he was still drinking, would drink and drive (luckily never harmed anyone) and could not bring himself to litter. This resulted in him driving surrounded by the physical evidence of his drinking & driving. The number of empty beer cans, at times, would occupy much of the passenger space in his truck when on a long trip since he measured distance by how many beers it would take to reach his destination (like normal people would estimate fuel needed). A trip of 600-700 miles, for example, was about a case of beer. Some people won't litter even when it would help them in discarding evidence of their drinking.

you are not from Texas it is clear
the footwell depression in pickups is specifically designed to hold empties, pitching them in the back is tricky at speed
if they slosh over the hump into the pedals you are driving to fast
when I first moved to TX in the '70s it was cool

 

[Megalodon]

you are not from Texas it is clear
the footwell depression in pickups is specifically designed to hold empties, pitching them in the back is tricky at speed
if they slosh over the hump into the pedals you are driving to fast
when I first moved to TX in the '70s it was cool

Definitely not from Texas, although I used to go down there to Victoria to work on a shrimp boat to do marine biology research. The shrimp brought back on the plane exceeded the value of my salary for the week. Best chicken-fried steaks anywhere. When I moved to MD four decades ago, I was shocked to see drive-thru windows at the liquor stores catering to those who were probably too drunk to walk inside. I worked in a large liquor store in MA all four years in college and the idea of serving mixed drinks in go-cups at a drive-thru never occurred to me.

 

[Yaco787]

That guy was actually from Sicily and had no Native blood at all.

 

[49er12]

No trash or garbage is good, metal, cans, u get my drift isn’t biodegradable, and give a look as a junk yard, maybe I’m just talking to the wind, but regardless of who’s promoting commercials, something dam aweful about polluting the water we need, and air breathing, I live in heavy steel country, pa to be direct, you couldn’t hang clothes on line so bad. So we continue to drink contaminated water, food induced with ****, plastic island’s floating. So I guess we like to suffer at the end digestive problems etc. people only care when it effects them, all I will say is when the crap hits the fan, I say to you where were you back when.

 

[Bum Luck]

No trash or garbage is good, metal, cans, u get my drift isn’t biodegradable, and give a look as a junk yard, maybe I’m just talking to the wind, but regardless of who’s promoting commercials, something dam aweful about polluting the water we need, and air breathing, I live in heavy steel country, pa to be direct, you couldn’t hang clothes on line so bad. So we continue to drink contaminated water, food induced with ****, plastic island’s floating. So I guess we like to suffer at the end digestive problems etc. people only care when it effects them, all I will say is when the crap hits the fan, I say to you where were you back when.

I used to tease my grandmother when she insisted that we should take care of our environment, rudimentary stuff back then. She grew up on the farm, they never had any money but were close to the soil.

I feel pretty stupid about that now. Wish she was here so I could tell her.

 

[Megalodon]

https://www.livescience.com/22728-pollution-facts.htm

A brief summary of pollution categories with no politics, written for non-scientific general audience.

The air pollution has even reached a point at which the tires on our cars deteriorate from exposure to the air more quickly than ever. I now replace tires with those carrying lower treadwear ratings. What good is buying an 80K mile rated tire when it will be dry-rotted in a few years? This is the air we breathe today.

 

[Ziggy-Grimm]

Fun fact:

"Iron Eyes Cody" who played the Native American in this 1970s ad was actually an Italian-American.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Eyes_Cody

 

[BillA]

Mega

gotta give natural selection a chance, relax and enjoy

 

[IMAUDIGGER]

The air pollution has even reached a point at which the tires on our cars deteriorate from exposure to the air more quickly than ever.

Passenger car and light truck tires (along with every other modern rubber product) crack and rot quickly because of the fact that old oxadized tires are recycled and incorporated as a virgin rubber substitute. It's not poor air quality.
It's a result of environmental protections and cost cutting.

You won't see semi-truck tires cracking and rotting because they use 100% virgin rubber rather than recycled crumb rubber. At least that's what I understand.

Published studies I've seen show our air quality in the US is tremendously better than it has been in the past. Dramatically better in fact.

It's better than it was during the industrial revolution..and better than it was in the 1970's.
Our rubber products on the other hand...they typically are of very poor quality.

 

[BillA]

quite correct on the tire/rubber quality issue
after driving in LA in the '60s, for sure the air is better today - other places ? ?

 

[ARC]

I feel the whole rubber thing falls under two catagories...

1. Cheaper materials.

2. Increasing U.V.

scientists analyzing 30 years of satellite data have found that the amount of ultraviolet (UV) radiation reaching Earth's surface has increased markedly over the last three decades.

The primary culprit: "decreasing levels of stratospheric ozone, a colorless gas that acts as Earth’s natural sunscreen by shielding the surface from damaging UV radiation."