GA gold "Waterhouse treasure" possibly on "Rocky Face" mountain.

Re: GA gold "Waterhouse treasure" possibly on "Rocky Face" mountain.

Amigos, This thread is starting to get awful contentious. Can we go back to the original question of gold on Rocky Face? I(grizzly bare) am a believer in the Waterhose treasure for a couple of reasons. The most important is that I personally tracked down two descendants of the folks who actually walked in the cavern and saw the gold. (Okay, they didn't actually see the gold. What they saw was a stack of copper bars. They took 8 of the smallest bars out of the cavern. That evening they struck one of the bars with a knife and 'skinned' the copper off and revealed the gold underneath. True, no one tried this on the 4200lb. bars in the cavern:they could all be solid copper)
Each family had old journals/letters detailing the find. Yet the two journals differed GREATLY in how to get the last 1/2 mile to the cave entrance. In letters Walter Mullins wrote to his younger brother many years after the find, he talked about an argument the 7 men had when they went back to Rocky Face the second day. One group wanted to go one direction, the rest wanted to go an oposite direction. The party divided and neither group could re-find the cavern. Bill Waterhouse spent 20 years and most of his family's money searching for the treasure. It seems odd to me that a man would lose his family, his own money, and his mom and dad's money if he had not seen something. I can't speak about the other five men, but Waterhouse and Mullins BELIEVED that they had found, and lost, a great treasure.
 

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2nd point of congruity in two journals was the tale of finding cave. While on a hunt the dogs followed something into a hole. The men started to try to dig out what they thought was a raccoon. After 10 minutes they had opened a hole into a cave. They made torches out of pine knots and branches and went into the cave. The two journals disagree about who found the meandering tunnel out of the cave but agree that Waterhouse had two of the men go outside and gather either "an armful" or "enough to last all day and night" of torches. The men followed the inside tunnel for approximately 45 minutes before they found the main cavern with the stacks of bars. 9inches by 9inches by 6 feet. for the most part. others were half as long and a few were either shorter or smaller in size. 8 of the smallest were picked up by the 7 men and carried out of the cave as proof that they had found something. Hours later one of the men (journals differ) remembered a legend of gold in the mountains. Mullins pulled his 'copper' bar from his haversack and used his hunting knife to stroke or slice the sheath off and exposed the gold underneath. Strange tale to put in a journal if it isn't true.
 

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i'm with grizzly bear............wisconson ''.in SEPT 1905, 2 Skeletons were found in a Gravel Bed near the Town of Forest,

When Measured They Would have been 7Ft. Tall.

Further STREET Excavation in La Crosse turned up some Being Between 7 & 9 FEET TALL.

The Legend Of the Giants Was Known in 1881 with the finding of bones back then already.''' ............i'll be back as soon as i find the link to the 12.5 ft giant skeletons, and if i'm not mistaken these are in a museum, and were found in california...they were on national geographic or another like program a few years back.......................gldhntr
 

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Soldiers digging a pit for a powder magazine in 1833 at Lompock Rancho, California, hacked their way through a layer of cemented gravel and discovered to their amazement the skeleton of a giant man about twelve feet in length.

Along with the skeleton were found carved shells, large stone axes, and blocks of porphyry covered with unknown symbols.

The skull of the skeleton also had a double row of teeth, both upper and lower.

Authorities ordered the find to be reburied with all the artifacts found with it, and the whole excavation was lost and never studied.

Interestingly enough, this skeleton bore a remarkable resembalance to another which was discovered on Santa Rosa Island, just off of the California coast. Complete with a double row of teeth both upper and lower.
 

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In his book, The Natural and Aboriginal History of Tennessee, author John Haywood describes "very large" bones in stone graves found in Williamson County, Tennessee, in 1821. In White County, Tennessee, an "ancient fortification" contained skeletons of gigantic stature averaging at least 7 feet in length.

Giant skeletons were found in the mid-1800s near Rutland and Rodman, New York. J.N. DeHart, M.D. found vertebrae "larger than those of the present type" in Wisconsin mounds in 1876. W.H.R. Lykins uncovered skull bones "of great size and thickness" in mounds of Kansas City area in 1877.

George W. Hill, M.D., dug out a skeleton "of unusual size" in a mound of Ashland County, Ohio. In 1879, a nine-foot, eight-inch skeleton was excavated from a mound near Brewersville, Indiana(Indianapolis News, Nov 10, 1975)

A six foot, six inch skeleton was found in a Utah mound. This was at least a foot taller than the average Indian height in the area, and these natives- what few there were of them -were not mound builders.

"A skeleton which is reported to have been of enormous dimensions" was found in a clay coffin, with a sandstone slab containing hieroglyphics, during mound explorations by a Dr everhart near Zanesville, Ohio.(American Antiquarian, v3, 1880, pg61)

Ten skeletons "of both sexes and of gigantic size" were taken from a mound at Warren, Minnesota, 1883. (St. Paul Pioneer Press, May 23, 1883)

A skeleton 7 feet 6 inches long was found in a massive stone structure that was likened to a temple chamber within a mound in Kanawha County, West Virginia, in 1884. (American Antiquarian, v6, 1884 133f. Cyrus Thomas, Report on Mound Explorations of the Bureau of Ethnology, 12th Annual Report, Smithsonian Bureau of Ethnology, 1890-91)

A large mound near Gasterville, Pennsylvania, contained a vault in which was found a skeleton measuring 7 feet 2 inches. Inscriptions were carved on the vault. (American Antiquarian, v7, 1885, 52f) click here for full article

In 1885, miners discovered the mummified remains of woman measuring 6 feet 8 inches tall holding an infant. The mummies were found in a cave behind a wall of rock in the Yosemite Valley. click here for full article

In Minnesota, 1888, were discovered remains of seven skeletons 7 to 8 feet tall. (St. Paul Pioneer Press, June 29, 1888)

A mound near Toledo, Ohio, held 20 skeletons, seated and facing east with jaws and teeth "twice as large as those of present day people," and besides each was a large bowl with "curiously wrought hieroglyphic figures." (Chicago Record, Oct. 24, 1895; cited by Ron G. Dobbins, NEARA Journal, v13, fall 1978)

The skeleton of a huge man was uncovered at the Beckley farm, Lake Koronis, Minnesota; while at Moose Island and Pine City, bones of other giants came to light. (St. Paul Globe, Aug. 12, 1896)

In 1911, several red-haired mummies ranging from 6 and a half feet to 8 feet tall were discovered in a cave in Lovelock, Nevada. click here for the full article

In February and June of 1931, large skeletons were found in the Humboldt lake bed near Lovelock, Nevada. The first of these two skeletons found measured 8 1/2 feet tall and appeared to have been wrapped in a gum-covered fabric similiar to the Egyptian manner. The second skeleton was almost 10 feet long.(Review - Miner, June 19, 1931)

A 7 foot 7 inch skeleton was reported to have been found on the Friedman ranch, near Lovelock, Nevada, in 1939.(Review - Miner, Sept. 29, 1939)

In 1965, a skeleton measuring 8 feet 9 inches was found buried under a rock ledge along the Holly Creek in east-central Kentucky. click here for the full article
 

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try this link................. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/830123/posts many accounts of giants found............the main problem proving races of little people is that their remains are confused with children..........................proving races of spirit people is as easy as reading your bible, if you have one and believe, same with the giants.......................gldhntr
 

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newspaper reports of giants found in the u.s. ..... Giant Reports - News articles from The New York Times & Washington Post - 1850 to present.

WASHINGTON POST HEADLINES:

? AN INDIAN GIANT?S TOMB [Nov 18, 1883]
? A RACE OF GIANTS [Mar 16, 1884]
? THE BONES OF A GIANT [Dec 9, 1887]
? INDIANS SEVEN FEET TALL [Feb 10. 1890 ]
? SINEWY SERI GIANTS [Aug 19, 1895]
? WARRIOR SKELETONS UNEARTHED [Dec 21, 1896]
? Dug Up a Skeleton Eight Feet Long [Dec 4, 1898]
? GIANTS IN THOSE DAYS; Monster Skeleton Discovered in the Miami Valley [Dec 25, 1898]
? EIGHT SKELETONS UNEARTHED.; Remains of Men of Tall Stature Found on Goat Island. [Jan 21, 1899]
? GIANTS' SKELETONS IN A CAVE [Jun 17, 1899]
? GIANTESS OF LONG AGO [Aug 6, 1899]
? SKELETONS OF DWARFS; Curious Specimens Brought from the Philippines [Dec 31, 1899]
? EARLY AMERICAN GIANTS. ; Reasons for Believing that a Race of 20-footers Lived in Arizona. [Mar 11, 1900 ]
? WILD SERI CANNIBALS [Jul 18, 1900 ]
? ISLAND OF MYSTERY [Oct 13, 1901]
? BONES OF GIANT ANCIENTS [Jul 3, 1903]
? Giants? Graves [Sep 20, 1903]
? Find Horns on Human Skull [Dec 24, 1905]
? OLD TIME GIANTS [Oct 25, 1906]
? GIANT IN ANCIENT MOUND [Jun 23, 1908]
? SOME HISTORIC GIANTS [Aug 17, 1908]
? FIND PREHISTORIC GIANT [Feb 3. 1909]
? SKULL GIVEN MUSEUM [Jan 16, 1910 ]
? BONES OF STRANGE MEN [May 4, 1912]
? AMAZING DISCOVERIES FOUND IN HUGE CAVE IN NEVADA SEALED BY NATURE OVER 3,000 YEARS AGO. [Nov 29, 1914]
? Why Scientists Believe Mythical Monsters Existed [Nov 7, 1915]
? FIND HORNED MEN'S SKULLS.; Remarkable Discovery by Archaeologists in Susquehanna Valley. [Jul 30, 1916]
? Tooth of Prehistoric Human Giant Found [Jan 14, 1917]
? FIND TWO SKELETONS OF PRIMITIVE MEN [Oct 25, 1923]
? Find Skeleton of Man 45 Feet Tall in Serbia [Jun 26, 1924]
? Giant Human Skeletons, 12 feet Long, are Found [Jun 22, 1925]
? TRACES OF EARLIEST HUMAN RACE FOUND [Aug 20, 1925]
? PREHISTORIC BONES REVEAL TRAGEDY OF GIANTS' LOST RACE [Nov 20, 1927]
? Town Very Proud Of Skeleton Found [Dec 16, 1928]
? Seven-Foot Man Skeleton Found; Huge Sarcophagus Unearthed in Italian Village. [May 5, 1929]
? Evidence of Giants Bared by Mounds [Jun 15, 1930 ]
? 3 Huge Skeletons Of Humans Found [Apr 24, 1932]
? WEIRD GIANTS of a DEAD PAST [May 29, 1932]
? Oklahoma Indian Relics Unearthed; Thigh Bone of 9-Foot Man Found in Mound [Aug 26, 1934]
? Dr. Hrdlicka, Curator at Institution, Discovers Western Hemisphere's Largest Cranium on Excursion to Aleutian Islands.; Aleutian Skull Of Record Size In Smithsonian [Oct 5, 1936]
? Largest Skull Ever Recorded is Discovered By Archeologist in Stafford County, Virginia [Jun 24, 1937]
? Smithsonian Amazed at Discovery of 6 1/2-Foot Mummies in Caves.; Race May Date to 10,000 B.C. [Jul 22, 1937]
? Huge Ax Indicates Giant Indians Once Roamed in Virginia [Dec 24, 1937]
? Major Finds Grave of Giant Aleutian [Sep 16, 1944]
? Giant's Skeleton Found by Soviets [Oct 30, 1945]
? Mammoth Jaws Hint Existence of Prehistoric Giants [Jul 15, 1946]
? Jaw and Skull of Oldest Man Safe in N.Y. [Sep 21, 1946]
? Prehistoric Find Points to Giant Ape Man [Dec 1, 1948]
? Strange Bones Dug Up [Apr 7, 1949]
? Skeletons Hint Hannibal Had Soldiers 7 Feet Tall [Oct 26, 1955]
? Brazil Organizes Hunt For Indians 7 Feet Tall [Jul 6, 1966]
? Giant Skeleton [Feb 9, 1972]
? Stalking a Tribe of Giant Cannibals [Oct 17, 1976]

THE NEW YORK TIMES HEADLINES:

? SKELETON OF GIANT FOUND [Nov 21, 1856]
? Reported Discovery of a Huge Skeleton [Dec 25, 1868]
? THE EARLY AMERICAN GIANT [Feb 8, 1876]
? THE BEST ITEMS BY MAIL; UTAH MOUNDS REPORTED DISCOVERIES MADE BY RECENT EXCAVATIONS TWO SKELETONS FOUND AND ANCIENT RELICS NEAR THEM [Apr 15 1877]
? A BIG SKULL FOUND IN IOWA. [Sep 16, 1877]
? BONES OF ALLEGED BROOKLYN GIANTS [Feb 6, 1880 ]
? TWO VERY TALL SKELETONS [Aug 10, 1880 ]
? THE BONES OF A GIANT FOUND [May 25, 1882]
? THE GRAVEYARD OF THE GIANTS [Jul 10, 1883]
? THE CARSON FOOTPRINTS [Aug 15, 1883]
? A GIANT'S REMAINS IN A MOUND. [Nov 20, 1883]
? A PETRIFIED GIANT [Mar 26, 1884]
? SKELETONS SEVEN FEET LONG [Mar 5, 1885]
? A PETRIFIED GIANT [Aug 17, 1885]
? MONSTER SKULLS AND BONES [Apr 5, 1886]
? A GIANT RACE OF INDIANS. [Mar 29, 1888]
? SKELETONS OF A FORMER RACE [Jun 30, 1888]
? SKELETON OF A BIG INDIAN [Aug 17, 1889]
? A RACE OF INDIAN GIANTS [Feb 9, 1890 ]
? MOUND BUILDERS' SKELETONS FOUND [Apr 19, 1891]
? MR. JEFFERSON'S CYCLOPS. ; A GIANT SKELETON UNEARTHED AT BUZZARD'S BAY [Jul 5, 1891]
? THE WISCONSIN MOUNDS [Aug 10, 1891]
? IN THE WISCONSIN MOUNDS [Sep 27, 1891]
? A Race of Giants in Old Gaul [Oct 3, 1892]
? GEORGIA'S BIG MOUND.; A JAWBONE THAT PROVES THERE "WERE GIANTS IN THOSE DAYS. [Feb 21, 1893]
? GIANTS OF OTHER DAYS [Mar 3, 1894]
? RELICS OF THE ABORIGINES [Aug 12, 1894]
? A TALL SKELETON FOUND NEAR PHOENIX [Mar 22, 1896]
? WISCONSIN MOUND OPENED [Dec 20, 1897]
? South American Giants [Mar 11, 1900 ]
? GIANT SKELETONS FOUND [Feb 11, 1902]
? UNEARTHING REVOLUTIONARY BONES AT 181st STREET [Jun 22, 1902]
? BIG SKELETONS IN THE BRONX [Mar 15, 1903]
? FIND GIANT INDIANS' BONES [Sep 7, 1904]
? GIANT RACE IN GREENLAND [Dec 19, 1904]
? A NEW RACE OF GIANTS [Dec 25, 1904]
? GIANTS' SKELETONS FOUND [May 4, 1908]
? STRANGE SKELETONS FOUND [May 4, 1912]
? FOUND GIANTS IN CHINA [Jan 27, 1914]
? GIANTS' BONES IN MOUND [Jul 14, 1916]
? Not Human Skulls with Horns [Jul 16, 1916]
? Cemetery of Mighty Indian Warriors Discovered [Jul 30, 1916]
? Unearths Skeleton of Indian Giant [Jun 14, 1923]
? OLDEST SKULLS YET FOUND [Oct 28, 1923]
? SANTA BARBARA SKULLS HAVE 7-INCH MOUTHS [Oct 29, 1923]
? FIND SKELETON OF GIANT [Mar 17, 1924]
? MUMMIES FOUND IN CAVES [Feb 7, 1925]
? FIND FLORIDA GIANTS' BONES [Feb 15, 1925]
? PUT MAN?S AGE BACK TEN MILLION YEARS [Apr 20, 1925]
? GIANTS' BONES IN MEXICO [Jun 21, 1925]
? GIANTS SURVIVE THE AGE OF FABLE [Jul 12, 1925]
? 'Largest Skull in World' Found in Africa Is Held to Show Cradle of Race Was There [Aug 6, 1925]
? HEADLESS GIANT BODIES FOUND IN PARIS GRAVES [Aug 7, 1925]
? OLD ROYAL TOMB UNEARTHED IN OHIO [Sep 12, 1925]
? UNEARTH THE BONES OF TEN-FOOT GIANTS [May 14, 1926]
? FIND BONES IN MOUNDS [Feb 21, 1927]
? FIND EIGHT-FOOT SKELETON; Explorers Unearth Bones in Cave in Monroe County, Ky. [Oct 3, 1927]
? SEEK AFRICAN GIANTS.; Denver Expedition to Be Headed by P.C. Hoefler and Harold Austin. [Jul 25, 1928]
? THE GOBI GIVES US A MONSTER [Sep 2, 1928]
? DEDUCES EXISTENCE OF BIG AFRICAN RACE [Mar 18, 1929]
? TAKING THOUGHT ABOUT STATURE [Apr 20, 1929]
? ?Oldest Human Footprint? Points to Primitive Giants in Africa [Oct 2, 1929]
? Skeleton of Giant Early Man Reported Unearthed in Mexico [Jun 9, 1930 ]
? REPORTS FIND OF BONES OF MEN 8 FEET TALL [Dec 2, 1930 ]
? FIND ANCIENT BONES NEAR PITTSBURGH [Sep 14, 1932]
? EIGHT MT. CARMEL SKELETONS REACH LONDON [Jan 11, 1933]
? INDIAN BURIAL MOUND YIELDS MANY RELICS [Aug 26, 1934]
? FINDS ANCIENT CITY IN SONORA, MEXICO [Jan 27, 1935]
? Bones of Huge Man Reported [Feb 14, 1936]
? Report Eight-Foot Skeletons [Jun 9, 1936]
? Skull of 'Braniest American' Unearthed By Dr. Ales Hrdlicka in Aleutian Islands [Oct 5, 1936]
? THE BRAINY ALEUT [Oct 6, 1936]
? CHILEAN FOSSIL MAN SEEN [Nov 16, 1941]
? Found Skull With Record Brain [Sep 6, 1943]
? HINTS ?GIANT? ANCESTORS [Jul 15, 1946]
? GIANT BONES IN RUSSIA [Jan 29, 1947]
? ?Largest? Ape Man Found in Africa; Indicated to Top 9-Foot Java Man [Dec 1, 1948]
? IN SEARCH OF EARLY AMERICANS [Mar 26, 1995]
 

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A Pygmie Graveyard in Tennessee
Anthropological Institute, Journal, 6:100, 1876.

An ancient graveyard of vast proportions has been found in Coffee county. It is similiar to those found in White county and other places in middle Tennessee, but is vastly more extensive, and shows that the race of pygmies who once inhabited this country were very numerous. The same peculiarities of position Observed in the White county graves are found in these. The writer of the letter says: "Some considerable excitement and curiousity took place a few days since, near Hillsboro, Coffee county, on James Brown's farm. A man was ploughing in a field which had been cultivated many years, and ploughed up a man's skull and other bones. After making further examination they found that there were about six acres in the graveyard. They were buried in a sitting or standing position. The bones show that they were a dwarf tribe of people, about three feet high. It is estimated that there were about 75,000 to 100,000 buried there. This shows that this country was inhabited hundreds of years ago."
 

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There are some interesting links, and definitely some things that are hard to explain. Most of the "giants" seem to have been found in the 1800's/early 1900's, which was prime time for traveling shows to show faked oddities. It'd be interesting to see some of these things, unfortunately, pretty much all of them are missing for one reason or another.

Thanks for posting them. I'm going to go through them as I have time.
 

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another reason these findings might have ended so long ago, is that it was probably not against the law to dig into graves, or mounds then.....now it will earn you prison time.......not too many museums then either, so most all probably were reburied and forgotten with time.......................gldhntr
 

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here is a link posted on another thread by boomer telling of the giants, even showing some pictures of recently found skeletons 8.5 ft tall found in kentucky.....many stories of old and also more recent findings, including findings by the smithsonian, and others, and also the cover-up concerning some of this info by them, the vatican, and other entities.....tells of many findings in many states, who made the finds, and where the finds ended up, some of which seem to have been dumped in the ocean so as to not be known,,,,,,,,, http://www.burlingtonnews.net/giantskentucky.html .........thanks boomer for the link..........................................................................gldhntr
 

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ok so i read the tread... just to play devils advokate... no-one belived the celipcamp fish was still alive or real until one was found about 50 years ago not to mention that about 40% of all species have only been found in the last 50 years. so tons more are out there to be discovered. plus just crack open the gueniss book of records to see humans that are super sized as well as mini.

no where is this place cause im into paranormal and ghost hunting stuff. I think it would be kinda fun to fast for a week and go find a few elves and bring back evidence. they dont seem to hurt anyne just trick them so as long as you dont get lost your ok.

message me GLD we can set up a trek. ;D
 

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I live very near the Keith Community where Mr. Waterhouse lived and Rocky Face Mountain. I have heard of this story for years and many people have searched for it.

I have heard of another lost mine story all my life. A man who lived in my community by the last name of Thompson, was a friend of the Indians and they showed him the entrance to a silver mine, yep I said silver not gold, but it is said that he marked the entrance with a hatchet so he would to be able to locate it later. I have no ideal the time period only that his grandson would be in his 80's if he is still living. Arrowheads and some other Indian relics are found in the area. It is one of those stories that people talk about some, but I have never been able to find out much more than what I told you. I always thought it was interesting, but as time goes on, stories have a tendency to change when told by different people so who knows?
And the story is the same as the Waterhouse, he was never able to find it again.
And as for the mooneyed people (don't want to get into an argument, just letting you know that it is a local Indian legend) but on Fort Mountain near Chatsworth GA, there is a rock wall that the Indians said that the Mooneyed people built.
 

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Georgia Girl,
I haven't done enough research on this treasure because I just got too scared back in the day. I am originally from Oklahoma and still have relatives there. I visited some of them and got an elder to start telling old stories. He pointed me in the right direction and gave me some family names to check on. My people swear by these legends. Do I believe that my family is a bunch of liars? Hell Yes! But this seems true because I SAW.
Thanks for the interesting bit of history. I hope to be down that way later, I'll see if I can find that wall and leave : corn meal, a feather, a small stack of oak leaves, and a bowl of water. Maybe the old one's will know that they are still remembered.

Thanks

grizzly bare
 

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the wall is easy to find, you can go on the web and search for Fort Mountain, there are several websites and some have some interesting stories regarding the history.
 

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I know this topic hasn't been open for quite some time now, but I must say this... Just because you are not there to witness any of these things doesn't mean you have to be such a buzz kill to someone else who is just merely stating their story and experiences. I can sit here and tell you many things I have seen/witnessed in my life time and really could care less if you believe me or not. Keep your opinions to yourself. Perhaps you should research these happenings and have an open mind about things.
 

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This is supposedly in my neck of the woods. I may look into it further, as I would love to see some real life trolls (not just the internet message board kind).
 

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Evening grizz, georgia gal, and the others. I have posted in TN inthe past of the last giant near here, Chinapas, Chich. being killed in the late 1800's or early 1900's. He was about 10+ ft tall. Yes, red hair, double row of teeth.

I also posted on swimming in the Fuerte river and seeing a giant eel like serpernt in the river also. It was estimated to be about 30 meters, dark green with striated light green stripes, also a miniature viper of light brown color, 'Pichiquate', considered highly venomous, of about 10 " long, and inspected a group of ruins on top of the Mesa on the southern side of the arroyo Gloria Pan that are scaled to people of around one meter high..

Up at Tayopa, my mine, a Mexican found a sealed cave. Upon opening it , expecting to find a treasure, he found two of the giant skeletons wrapped in a matate. He was so mad that he threw them down the cliff.. I told him that he had indeed found a treasure and that I would pay him well for them. He is looking .

About 1 days mule ride to the north east from Los Camotes, Sonora, is a hill shaped like a bell. It is appropriately called 'La Campana'. It has many caves which the giants used for burial. There are many skeletons there. The skull that I saw was about twice mine in size.

I have a close association with the Yaqui Indians, I was shown artifacts of people of about one meter tall, the original Yaqui. They said that interbreeding with strangers has gradually increased the tribal size to normal now. Interesting story about the Yo' obwa.

The Coral snake here is over one meter long, again the Herpetologists that I notified have failed to respond, so I no longer try.

In another nearby burial cave I found the skull of a young woman of about 22 that had had two childern, Her skull was no higher than her eyebrows, it had been almost flattened. There is no known flat head culture any where near here.

I have sent various letters to different Universities regarding these things, only to be flatly ignored, since they KNOW that these things just 'do not' exist, snicker.

Isn't science grand?

Don Jose de La Mancha
 

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