Found in trash pit. 1800-1900. Louisiana trading area. Indian, CW, Early settler

[dg39]

dgjr told me to do this. He wants to know what it is. Its a museum mystery. Found near Red River in an old trade area where Indian artifacts, CW, Early settlers and who know what lived.. From a trash pit dig. The pit was about 4 foot or more around and we have dug to about 10 feet and still uncovering layers.

1. It is brass or an alloy of some type. Most likely brass.
2. 1/2 to 3/4 inches deep in concave part.
3. 5-3/8 inches in diameter. Inside hole is not quite 3/4 inches
4. How long will brass stay in the ground and decompose.
5. Only one other probable piece was found. 1-1/4 inches long with "v" hatch marks. slight curve.
6. Large section has line decoration around concave side.
7. I don't think it is the obvious.

Any other questions. I'm sending in two sections.

dgjr wants to know, and so do I..
Have at it.

DG

 

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[Michelle]

Here is a hub cover from an old model t.......front back...I am just not sure what this piece could be being there are just soooooooo many possibilities....

 

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[dg39]

Wait, there is something missing? (Oh its the tire!)

 

[Michelle]

Wait, there is something missing? (Oh its the tire!)

 

[Nail Digger]

Re: Found in trash pit. 1800-1900. Louisiana trading area. Indian, CW, Early set

I recently found something similar at an 1800-1850s? homesite that I've been detecting. This one is 4" in diameter with a 3/8" center hole. It has been beat up and smashed a little flatter than when new, but it doesn't appear to have ever been more than about 1/4" deep. This one is of ferrous construction. Could this be another variation of the same item? I was thinking maybe part of a lamp or candlestick drip pan?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI Nail digger, Old automotive DC generator brush plate holder end.

Tropical Tramp

 

[Nail Digger]

Re: Found in trash pit. 1800-1900. Louisiana trading area. Indian, CW, Early set

HI Nail digger, Old automotive DC generator brush plate holder end.

Tropical Tramp

No holes for the through-bolts. These are generally also of heavier construction. This is probably only about 1/32" thick. Also, this was about 6" deep at the homesite, of which only crumbled fireplace ruins remain. The area had already completely reverted to forest when my grandfather bought the farm in the 1920's. So, I dont see how such a "modern" item would be present.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Nail, correct, but it does appear to have the remants of three welded/riveted support devices on it similar to brush holders?

Tropical Tramp

 

[Nail Digger]

Re: Found in trash pit. 1800-1900. Louisiana trading area. Indian, CW, Early set

Nail, correct, but it does appear to have the remants of three welded/riveted support devices on it similar to brush holders?

Tropical Tramp

I should have mentioned these in my original post. They are just globs of corrosion, "rusticles". I haven't had a chance to clean it up much. I'll put it in the electrolysis bath today. Maybe some lettering will show up on it after shooting the current to it.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

[=diving doc ]
Jose, you think that's a cover off an old starter?
*******

Could be Doc, we will see better after it is cleaned up.

Tropical Tramp

 

[silverswede]

Kinda scared to get into this one but it does remind me of one of those real old alarm clock bells. There's quite a few shown on eBay under antique alarm clocks. could it be the striker would have worn where the corroded out area is? The picture is of one from that era but the bell isn't the same.

 

[Michelle]

Kinda scared to get into this one but it does remind me of one of those real old alarm clock bells. There's quite a few shown on eBay under antique alarm clocks. could it be the striker would have worn where the corroded out area is? The picture is of one from that era but the bell isn't the same.

excellant thought.....

 

[diggummup]

2c-It's a tobacco tray for an old hookah.I'll look for a photo later.dg's id that is.

 

[Michelle]

2c-It's a tobacco tray for an old hookah.I'll look for a photo later.dg's id that is.

spitoon......nah already thunk of it

 

[Michelle]

It's the end of an old air horn.........

 

[Subgenius5150]

Re: Found in trash pit. 1800-1900. Louisiana trading area. Indian, CW, Early set

early protective cup... with hole for easy bladder release...

 

[tinpan]

hi everyone, just a thought, how about base or top plate off an air cleaner for an early auto or a stationery engine.


tinpan only a thought

 

[Michelle]

WOW.......this is it Dgjr.....http://www.uniondb.com/catalog/civil_war_era_brass_folding_candleholders_4012849.htm Also the little broken piece pictured in the beginning it is probably a part of the center piece that goes into the hole!!!!!

 

[diggummup]

Wow Michelle that looks dead on! The only concern I have is that the candleholder appears it might be threaded.Dg says no threads.Other than that it looks good.

 

[Michelle]

Guys look at the top pic....there is a bolt (threaded) and a washer on top of it and under....this was one piece that held itself together separate from the "dish" then the candle holder screwed down onto the threaded bolt

 

[dg39]

I think you are as close as you can get. Its a variation of the holder pictured...