Found a head while metal detecting.

[mastereagle22]

Got to go out for a little while tonight and found this head 8 inches down! I have No idea who it is but I can tell you a Civil War Era Cemetery is very close to where I found this, and before anyone says anything I was in a local park where kids were playing basketball and skateboarding. I think this probably washed down the hill from the Cemetery as the Cemetery Has been vandalized many times in the past. There is a cemetery currator and I will be calling them in the next day or so to see if someone lost their head, pardon the pun.

Before then anyone have any ideas besides I am doomed for all time

 

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[diggummup]

Too much hair and his nose is too small for John XXIII. Looks like Pius IX to me.It does look like a papal zucchetto on his head whom ever it turns out to be.

 

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[texan connection]

were you Coin popping, or pope Popping

 

[Montana Jim]

Man - seems like a guy could walk around the cemetary and find a statue missing a head 'cause of vandals, and see if it's a match! Little Johnny Punk from the neighborhood might have kicked or tossed the head after finding or vandalizing the statue... then you found it.

Not a bad way to kill an afternoon...

Take a picnic lunch and make a day of it.

Find the head's home.

 

[Lafitte]

This might seem off-track, but the "hair" under the "skullcap" looks more like a laurel wreath to me. Any saints, popes associated with those? I'm clueless.

 

[mastereagle22]

Man - seems like a guy could walk around the cemetary and find a statue missing a head 'cause of vandals, and see if it's a match! Little Johnny Punk from the neighborhood might have kicked or tossed the head after finding or vandalizing the statue... then you found it.

Not a bad way to kill an afternoon...

Take a picnic lunch and make a day of it.

Find the head's home.

The place has limited hours 7:30 to 3:00 PM. I did call the curator of the site and left a message. I plan on taking my lunch break on Friday and going by and seeing if he is around. I have also spoken with a police officer I live by and he is going to pull the case files and look at the pictures of the damaged items. I will let you all know.

 

[Green Frost]

So have you had any weird encouters yet, since finding this head? :P

 

[mastereagle22]

An update

I spoke with the curator of the museum I mean cemetery and he said that this did not come from his cemetery. Now where have I heard that before? Anyway he did say that from 1840-1900 there were several small houses, he called shanties, on this site and he said he wouldn't be surprised at anything I found there. He also said the entire area is public property and that I can hunt there all I want as long as I don't enter the Cemetery!!!!! So I will let you know if I find the rest of the genteleman.

 

[Montana Jim]

An update

I spoke with the curator of the museum I mean cemetery and he said that this did not come from his cemetery. Now where have I heard that before? Anyway he did say that from 1840-1900 there were several small houses, he called shanties, on this site and he said he wouldn't be surprised at anything I found there. He also said the entire area is public property and that I can hunt there all I want as long as I don't enter the Cemetery!!!!! So I will let you know if I find the rest of the genteleman.

Do you have anyplace you hunt that is NOT by a cemetary!?? LMAO

 

[mastereagle22]

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Do you have anyplace you hunt that is NOT by a cemetary!?? LMAO
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yeah but where is the fun in that Honestly though the main reason we are detecting this area is that it is some of the last property in the public domain that had Civil War activity on it. We are hoping to find a bullet or two and maybe a button. I did find part of an old horse shoe and it is on the post Treasure like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Besides I am dying to find more stuff (couldn't resist the pun)!!

 

[mastereagle22]

Yeah my brother-in-law is Catholic and he said as much but he has never seen anything like this before nor has him family. So I am still pretty sure this is an older item.

Oh well I keep finding things that no one seems to be able to ID.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Oh well I keep finding things that no one seems to be able to ID.

I thought it was already IDed as Pope Paul II?
What metal is it? It appears to be pot metal which would explain the corrosion.

 

[mastereagle22]

I asked a priest and he said it was not John Paul II in his opinion and he did not know who it was. He is looking into it for me. And he said the way it was made it appeared to be old. He said it was not made with modern casting processes and I smiled and nodded. . . wait for it. . . my head.

Seriously I don't know alot about metals but I have a local College Prof who I had classes with and he told me to drop by in a week and he would look at it and give me his opinion.

And it may just be JP II

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Im trying to put these two statue pics together.



unidentified Pope John Paul II Pope Leo

 

[mastereagle22]

Ok I think we have a WINNER here. The priest I talked to came up with the same name as someone on a different forum.

http://www.nndb.com/people/387/000088123/

Is a link to who the three of us think the head is of. Anyone agree? Disagree??

 

[gallileo60]

I would keep it, its been there for some time if it was that deep...

 

[Angelo]

Sure does resemble him. The smile especially

Tony

 

[Angelo]

I found this site but unable to open it.

Tony

ImageBase
Ettore Ferrari, artist Italian, 1849 - 1929 Pope Leo XIII, circa 1890 bronze 13 x 9 (33 x 22.9 cm) Museum purchase, Decorative Arts Fund 78.77 ...
wwar.com/cgi-bin/connector.pl?id=58188 - 18k

And here is a bronze of Pope Leo XIII by Ettore Ferrari. Unfortunately, picture way small.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Ok I think we have a WINNER here. The priest I talked to came up with the same name as someone on a different forum.

http://www.nndb.com/people/387/000088123/

Is a link to who the three of us think the head is of. Anyone agree? Disagree??

Truthfully, myself, I disagree. The nose is not as big. But a priest would know more about Popes than I.

 

[Baldingboy]

bigcypresshunter,

Check out the lips and eyes. Here is a closer comparison of the two. I believe they are one and the same. What do you think?

baldingboy

 

[ivan salis]

looks like a fairly good "match" to me--from when to when was LEO pope? 1878 to 1903--- that too "fits in" well with the "old" rather "abandoned" type graveyard ---older dated stuff---(my earlier "pope john paul" statement does not cut it) ----now that I "remember" him saying that its a "old" graveyard--and thus it most likely "filled up" long ago ---so thus basically no one has been buried there most likely for many years now --- and graveyards "fill up" overtime and as time goes by the folks and close freinds that "knew" them die off or quit visiting and the old graveyards with no one "looking" out for them ---often go to pot and get vandalized and such-- Ivan