Flake Tools

[bean man]

Just some of the typical junk we find in our creeks. The brown chert is what we see the most of.

 

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[bean man]

Thanks TH. Sounds like you had a great spot down there. That's one of the things about hunting, some hunting spots are quite a bit better then others.

 

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[Neanderthal]

Come on Matt. I truly believe the stuff I post don't say that. Matt, you yourself have said, you see so much junk, you don't pick it up anymore. You have also said, it's all about opinion, which I agree with, can I have mine. Besides, I have never said anything was for sure. Really, what's the problem. Not enough people visiting your web site. If you want, I'll come on over and post some of my stuff.

Why heck no beanie! You've convinced me friend that I need to keep every thing I find. I only hunt "sites", so everything is or could be something, so I'm keeping it all! There's no need to look for any signs of modification or use apparently (that doesn't matter), it's just being there in that context. Thank you for enlightening me, may all of your caches be of funky rocks shaped like star wars characters. May the bulb of force be with you.

 

[bean man]

I hope I can find something that meets your standard someday Matt. Of course you'll just say it's fake and been seeded.

 

[Neanderthal]

I believe it's fair to question questionable items, it's all about the edumakashun beanie! Don't get bent, we all have one thing in common - we're all rocknerds.

Now, shall we all hold hands, form a circle and sing "kumbayah"?

 

[bean man]

Really, I'm not bent, and it's more than fair, after all, the burden to prove it lies with me. All I can say is, I post what I believe in, and am trying to strengthen my case with evidence. Most my stuff does show some modification and/or wear. Let's take the hardstone I posted recent. I find it hard to believe that you can't see no wear or modification. I think that's a roller pestle, a bell pestle, several hoof types and some grinding stones. The wear is there and the shape, but I admit, I could be wrong. It really does come down to opinion on a lot of artifact stuff. I don't care if someones opinion differs from mine, just when they care if mine differs from theirs.

 

[Vicegrip]

Poor Beaner,
I actually Get embarrassed for you.

 

[bean man]

I should be embarrassed for you for your avatar picture, but if you want to look like that, that's your business.

 

[Vicegrip]

I should be embarrassed for you for your avatar picture, but if you want to look like that, that's your business.

I'm really starting to understand your finds.
Like most of your comments, most of your finds just plain don't make sense.

 

[bean man]

My finds make a little sense, my comment made a lot of sense.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I don't understand the reason or purpose for the personal attacks.

 

[bean man]

Sorry TH. I've allows been a counter puncher. I keep thinking don't say anything, but then mean bean takes over.

 

[Billco]

I belong to discussion boards covering a range of subjects. Fights break out on all of them occasionally.

 

[ohioriver hunter]

I think it is a modify flake made of basalt type material. I don't see how that so far fetched. I have some similar to it. The thing about you Cannon, your to sure, when you really can't be, and make guarantees when it's impossible. Just because Cannonman says it's not, does not make it misinformation. I could be wrong about this piece, or any rock I've said was an artifact. I do know this, I have quite a few rocks, that I believe are tools and they don't have flaking scars. It was the stone age, not the flint age.

I didn't say it was impossible. Anything is possible but it is one of those more than likely nots and those seem to be your favorite. Why do you focus on all the maybes? You're right, just because I say I don't think it is one doesn't mean that's always going to be right but there is a big difference between you and I. I make educated guesses and use the evidence at hand when looking at a piece where as you just guess. I bet you do have a lot of "artifacts" with no flaking scars, or any evidence of modification for that matter, to each their own. I will argue with you on the misinformation aspect though, we have a lot of new people come here to learn and when we first start out they have a lot of questions, including how to tell if a rock is an artifact or not... you chiming in on the one in a million aspect vs. looking at the actual evidence is misinformation. Archaeology is NOT based on your imagination and/or how it might have been used. Artifacts are artifacts because they were modified and used and thus show evidence of it!

I AGREE THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
Jeff

 

[Atlantis0077]

Afternoon,

Fight in religion and politics....the rubber rooms are the place for that...love it myself. The artifacts room isn't the place for such antics though. This is a place to learn and share the love of our hobby. There are folks here with decades of experience to draw from. Leave name calling and personal attacks for other rooms, enjoy a good fight there........come here to learn.

Happy Huntin'

Atlantis

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Some great sources to learn from:

Official Overstreet Indian Arrowhead Identification and Price Guides
Indian Artifact Magazine
Prehistoric Antiquities Quarterly
Any of Lar Hothem's books on artifacts

I have a bookshelf full of them. Great reading.

 

[Atlantis0077]

Afternoon,

Yeppers...Hothem is great! I recommend his stuff too.

Atlantis

 

[bean man]

Your right Atlantis. First, I'd like to apologize to you, for insinuating you weren't being truthful. Really I always believed you. You don't seem like the lying type, for what ever that's worth. I was just being stubborn. Not about whether I'm right about some iffies, just about why it really seems to bother folks when I post them. It's pretty easy to sense it from the replies. Their offended and I'm offended, because I can't figure out why their offended. It's like I'm breaking a rule that no one wants to tell me about.

Second, I'd like to apologize to anyone offended by my posts, I DO NOT POST MAYBE'S TO CREATE STRIFE. I just like studying this stuff. Unfortunately, I probably will post more questionable stuff in the future, but what I'm not going to do is respond to any negative comments. Now I don't mean if they disagree, there is a difference.

 

[Atlantis0077]

Afternoon,

Thanks Beanman. I appreciate that. Not much point telling lies on here...sooner or later they will find you out. Amazing how folks keep up with things...lol.

Everyone is kinda protective of what they find and want it to be something special...you are no different with yours. Gotta remember also that many folks like to pop bubbles for one reason or another. Maybe we poked you a little hard, but you were getting honest opinions based on a lot of experience most of the time. Whether you choose to believe them is up to you, again totally understandable.

There is plenty of room for civil discussion of points, rocks or just plain crap. Maybe we can all get back on track and back to what is most important, enjoying a great hobby. Keep one eye on the ground at all times.

Happy Hunting,

Atlantis

 

[bean man]

Thanks Atlantis! When I post something, and you think not, just tell me, "council doesn't think so," because I can relate to that.

 

[Billco]

To be honest, I'm very selective about what I post here. I welcome comments, but its not a lot of fun to have posters I've never even seen before drive by to scream "Rock!"

I like this board because there's less of that here than some other places. People are generally helpful and pleasant and there's actually a few people who find joy in a broken arrowhead.