Fisher coming out with a new machine!

[woof!]

Replying to Sandman: the industry's next new model could come from any manufacturer, including Tesoro. However if it's from Tesoro I'd be very surprised if it were anything more than a slightly different arrangement of knobs on the front panel, based on a platform they've already had for a long time.

Replying to Terry: I'm not knocking Tesoro products, just pointing out that in the context of "new products", they don't appear to be doing any innovating. You obviously agree since you went out of your way to explain why Tesoro doesn't innovate. I assume you have the inside dope what's going on with product development at Tesoro, so you've basically substantiated what I said about the future of Tesoro. Nothing to be optimistic about there.

However, with respect to what's going on with Fisher product development, you just plain don't know, and I do. That's why I'm optimistic about our future even though new product development often goes a lot more slowly than we wish it did.

--Dave J.

PS: y'all might be amused to hear that on another forum some guys have been bugging me to bring back the Fisher 1266, just package it a little lighter, they were sure that if we did that we could sell bunches of 'em. Had to tell the guys it ain't ever gonna happen.

 

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[Terry Soloman]

Replying to Sandman: the industry's next new model could come from any manufacturer, including Tesoro. However if it's from Tesoro I'd be very surprised if it were anything more than a slightly different arrangement of knobs on the front panel, based on a platform they've already had for a long time.

Replying to Terry: I'm not knocking Tesoro products, just pointing out that in the context of "new products", they don't appear to be doing any innovating. You obviously agree since you went out of your way to explain why Tesoro doesn't innovate. I assume you have the inside dope what's going on with product development at Tesoro, so you've basically substantiated what I said about the future of Tesoro. Nothing to be optimistic about there.

However, with respect to what's going on with Fisher product development, you just plain don't know, and I do. That's why I'm optimistic about our future even though new product development often goes a lot more slowly than we wish it did.

--Dave J.

PS: y'all might be amused to hear that on another forum some guys have been bugging me to bring back the Fisher 1266, just package it a little lighter, they were sure that if we did that we could sell bunches of 'em. Had to tell the guys it ain't ever gonna happen.

Dave, I'm a Tesoro FAN, not an "Insider." I have no idea what Vince is, or isn't cooking up in Prescott. The simple truth is there is no "innovation" left in the VLF platform. Until someone comes up with a machine that knocks out iron and aluminum and still gives me gold without question, there is really nothing more to do. That won't stop the marketing departments at Fisher, Garrett, Minelab and Whites from trying to convince newbies and intermediates that they just came up with the next best thing though.

Hey Dave, my contract was up with Tesoro last year. You think Fisher would want to test their new Gold Bugs with us and be our VLF sponsor? I am very open minded. If you think Fisher has a better nuggetshooter than the LST, I’m ready to give it a shot.

 

[Rawhide]

Sorry, I owe y'all an apology. I'd seen it all before recently, but when I went back to look for it, it was actually in pieces in different places including PM. Not all together in a specific post. Silver Slayer is hereby exonerated.

Engineering dept. always has new products under development. Generally speaking, we do not release any information on them until they are so close to production that marketing dept. needs to get advertising and distribution involved.

If you want an F75, may as well get it. There will always be new products, and none of them are going to stop F75's from working. If you're not sure you want an F75, there are other machines nowadays and there will be others in the future.

--Dave J.

Could you post a list of other detectors please.......lol. JK

 

[woof!]

Hey Dave, my contract was up with Tesoro last year. You think Fisher would want to test their new Gold Bugs with us and be our VLF sponsor? I am very open minded. If you think Fisher has a better nuggetshooter than the LST, I’m ready to give it a shot.

If you're interested in sponsorship, Terry, that's something you'd have to take up with our marketing dept., I can't help you out on that one.

--Dave J.

 

[lost hunter]

If you're interested in sponsorship, Terry, that's something you'd have to take up with our marketing dept., I can't help you out on that one.

--Dave J.

I think you should let me test any new Fisher Detector along with Mike Scott in the Jungle Ya that's what I think

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[Terry Soloman]

If you're interested in sponsorship, Terry, that's something you'd have to take up with our marketing dept., I can't help you out on that one.

--Dave J.

Give 'em my number Dave.

 

[gleaner1]

Terry and Woof, you guys are making me nervous. I thought multi freq patents have ran out and I wonder where the new multi freq machines are. OP, I never heard rumors of a new Fisher but if I had to bet the farm, I would bet that Fisher comes out with a multi freq machine that takes two nine volts, weights 2.95 lbs, has 74 frequencies, costs 899, and is as black as sin, with cool little gold plated Mscope stickers. Don't forget the two year warranty please.

 

[Sandman]

I would like to see more muti frequency detectors and I don't mean just two like on the CZ's but more like the Sov GT. Newbies like the screens so I guess we'd be stuck with one of those to distract us.

 

[Keppy]

I would like to see more muti frequency detectors and I don't mean just two like on the CZ's but more like the Sov GT. Newbies like the screens so I guess we'd be stuck with one of those to distract us.

..... Yes it seems like a lot can't live without there screens........

 

[DKinPA]

Let's keep this thread alive until Dave gives us something to dream about....LOL!! I have been a very patient man this year watching the Deus and the CTX3030 come into my detecting circles....I have fought all those urges because I don't think they can do anything my F75 LTD and Etrac can't. After talking with some Fisher "die hards" at Minelab's metal detecting weekend in Atlantic City I made the decision to hang my hat on Dave and the crew at FTP.....c'mon Dave start your own little CTX like marketing sneak peeks.....

Dave

 

[lookindown]

I want a three pound CZ21 with a screen.

 

[vaquero44]

I got to say this thread has been interesting, its turning into a full blown western i can here the theme music from the Good the Bad the Ugly but i have great respect for both companys i'm more of a tesoro fan but i do like the old style fishers 1200 series and cz's and the teknetics line for more modern machine what i like about the Tesoro line up is that its tried and true and if it works don't fix it attitude and give it a hell of a warranty to go with it and far as screens i've never really been a fan of them but will say i think the teknetics line is one of the most accurate out there, just my opinion.

 

[gleaner1]

Okay I like the new Fisher. CZ100. It has 100 frequencies. Highly engineered it weights 2.73 lbs. It is waterproof to ten feet. It has a killer screen and graphics, the best out there. They will hire somebody like Motorola to build the chip and it will have gps and all that crap too. It will be a cell phone too by the way. And it has a camera too. Wireless headphones thanks. State of the art batts that last forty hours and take ten minutes to charge in your car. Highly functional user interface. Lightning fast and deep. Broad range gb and sense, say 100 bars. Keep the superb depth to volume ratio, dont change that. All metal mode of course. This thing will pull a silver dime from directly underneath a rusty crown cap. Directly beneath it. Five year warranty. $2899 US.

 

[tmanly]

When a RD department kicks off a new project, they have to answer a lot more questions other than the design of the product. 1. expected release date 2. target audience
3. estimated cost (production and sales) 4. how to market the product
This is all questions that are known from the start. Why not share some of this information? Release dates are never met, this is to be expected. Target sales, if it is say a gold machine and you make everyone wait, it is not going to help sales unless you are looking for a gold machine. Estimated sale price, well maybe this should be keep quiet unless is is under what is being release by other companys.
Christmas and spring time seem to be the best sales opportunities for a company. It is too close to xmas so I feel it will be early to mid Spring.
If it takes a long time, then that is a good indication that the unit is requiring re-tooling and will not only be a different unit but will also have a different look than any unit that is in production at that time. the change from the F75 to the F75 SE or LTD took very little change over. It was only electronics and not cosmetics.
Just as a note: the Tesoro Tejon will always have a place in the bag for relics hunters. It should be their flagship detector and eliminate the Cortes......

 

[woof!]

When a RD department kicks off a new project, they have to answer a lot more questions other than the design of the product. 1. expected release date 2. target audience
3. estimated cost (production and sales) 4. how to market the product
This is all questions that are known from the start.

Sounds like MBA school management philosophy. Unfortunately only being a high school grad I never learned that stuff.

--Dave J.

 

[lost hunter]

Sounds like MBA school management philosophy. Unfortunately only being a high school grad I never learned that stuff.

--Dave J.

That's all I need

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[tmanly]

Dave, if you knew me, you would say it was from BSU too.......

Tom in SC

 

[pasttom]

Who needs to watch football? We have more armchair quarterbacks than all the leagues put together! Dave J knows all, but cannot and will not say (for totally sound reasons) and the rest of us babble away loving to hear ourselves expound. It all is just killing time until it hits the market. If it looks like it will help us more than what we have, lets buy it. If not there will be another coming along soon. Or there is always the auction alternative (undisclosed tuning by rodeo clowns?) or cheap made in China knock offs (the rubber chickens of the techno world). I'll wait and buy from a sponsor/dealer I know I can trust. Man I feel better now!

 

[woof!]

When a RD department kicks off a new project, they have to answer a lot more questions other than the design of the product. 1. expected release date 2. target audience 3. estimated cost (production and sales) 4. how to market the product This is all questions that are known from the start. Why not share some of this information? .

The questions are known from the start. The answers are not. That was a long time ago and everything changed meanwhile. Like I said, "Sounds like MBA school management philosophy. Unfortunately only being a high school grad I never learned that stuff." Nine years ago I developed ALS (Lou Gehrig's Disease). The questions were known and the answers were not. If I'd been a world famous neurologist ("Olney #2), I'd be dead.
http://www.als.net/forum/yaf_postsm370664_A-tale-of-two-Olneys.aspx
As it is, I'm still here and that's because I knew the right questions to ask. Your statistical chances of developing ALS are somewhere in the one in 500 to one in 1,000 range. That means you likely know people who either have ALS or will develop ALS. Welcome to the "perhaps we should live in reality!" club.

 

[Steve Herschbach]

I think the real answer is there is nowhere left to go with VLF and PI technology.

Thanks for the chuckle Terry!