Emerald Frog

[JKPK1]

Friend found this yesterday while beach hunting. Possible Spanish Fleet item?
PK

 

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[taybai]

It looks too modern to be from the era he is hoping for too.

 

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[JKPK1]

Folks, at this point I still say anything is possible.

The link to the Pre-Columbian jewelery makes it seem more aligned with the older stuff.

The photos posted here definitely do not reveal all the details.

Looking at the link Pre-Coumbian stuff, not the frogs, but rather the Scorpion near the bottom, this is the finish on the frog piece. Not a finely polished finish, but rather something with texture, not appearing corroded on the base material, but rather golden. With the outer clad looking like darkened silver. Again, the golden areas show no corrosion.

The jeweler rubbed an exposed golden edge, at the ring. This area tested 22k.

As I said, this is not fine polished, rather textured.

So it may not be old, but for someone to lose a funky looking frog, in a location of a known 1715 wreck, not exactly in a beach area known for swimming, and a person looking for old coins to find it, all to happen is possible but...well I don't know.

It would be great to say it's the real deal and squelch the negative ones, and if it's not real, it's still a different find, and one person found it doing something he enjoys.

With luck he'll call with his answer tomorrow, and if I find out I'll let you guys know.
Let's hope it is 1715, that's not a bad thing.

PK

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Sorry, I'm not trying to squash any hope it's real, but the frog found looks nothing like the finish on the Pre-Columbian scorpion at all to me, the scorpion still looks like gold, while the frog looks nothing like gold. The image of the frog also looks nothing like images of that time period either, but rather that of a kids potted metal jewelry piece. As bigcypresshunter said, looking from the bottom the emerald color appears to be poured, not cut stone.

People swim all up and down the Treasure Coast during the summer.

 

[CMDiamonddawg]

Close:


One fully enameled, but looks solid, same large bale:

Yep same large bale.



Maybe the jeweler, who wants to buy it, just got caught up in the excitement of a possible Treasure Coast Mayan relic in his shop or he's a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

: one hot dog short of a picnic. lost fleet item

 

[JKPK1]

Those that followed this topic, he got his answer this morning.

He called while headed to the beach to find more.

But unfortunately he won't be hoping to find more frogs like this one.

Those that said to new, good on ya, those that said maybe or didn't know, let it fuel your fire to find the goods.

If nothing else learned, I guess coins with dates might be easier to know for certain.

PK

 

[ivan salis]

I figgered new -- like a PR island "coqui" type charm or a "geofrog" GPS er type charm -- oe similar lil modern "frog" charm -- pity for the finder it wasn't a real one from the days of 1715.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Those that followed this topic, he got his answer this morning.

He called while headed to the beach to find more.

But unfortunately he won't be hoping to find more frogs like this one.

Those that said to new, good on ya, those that said maybe or didn't know, let it fuel your fire to find the goods.

If nothing else learned, I guess coins with dates might be easier to know for certain.

PK

Tell him to hurry back to the experienced jeweler and SELL IT! I have to admit I feel a bit betrayed. You insisted that it tested 22K solid gold underneath. I try to give posters benefit of the doubt because this is an online forum. How do you explain that now?

 

[CRUSADER]

Those that followed this topic, he got his answer this morning.

He called while headed to the beach to find more.

But unfortunately he won't be hoping to find more frogs like this one.

Those that said to new, good on ya, those that said maybe or didn't know, let it fuel your fire to find the goods.

If nothing else learned, I guess coins with dates might be easier to know for certain.

PK

Very entertaining, I thought you were winding us up

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

JKPK1 maybe it was you friend who was winding you up? Its hard to believe an experieced jeweler cant tell the difference between pot metal and 22K gold. Live and learn. After a few years here at TN, we see it all.

 

[ivan salis]

as far as it testing for gold --maybe it was plated-- and that was what reacted --or esle someone was clearly yanking his "chain" in jest and he did not get it.

 

[romeo-1]

Remind me not to buy anything from that jeweller...gimme a break...22k indeed!

 

[TXPIRATE]

On the Treasure Coast is there not two Museum near there one ran by the fishers the other by the state might get some answers there.

 

[CRUSADER]

On the Treasure Coast is there not two Museum near there one ran by the fishers the other by the state might get some answers there.

try reading it again, the answers in the replies.

 

[JKPK1]

JKPK1 maybe it was you friend who was winding you up? Its hard to believe an experieced jeweler cant tell the difference between pot metal and 22K gold. Live and learn. After a few years here at TN, we see it all.

No he wasn't winding me up, he was pretty excited himself.

I never met the jeweler nor know details about them.

Apparently the jeweler rubbed the exterior, which had a gold finish and this is what was indicated.

PK

 

[Jon Phillips]

I was in no way trying to be negative in my earlier post....but I build old hot rods, and have experience with epoxy, pot metal, and even hexagonal mylar flakes, (I have a metalflaked car)....and all three are visable on that piece.

That being said...I have also seen lots of people post their finds, and have it pointed out to them that some items from their "junk" pile were "keepers"!

I hope it doesn't discourage your buddy!

Happy hunting!

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I was in no way trying to be negative in my earlier post....but I build old hot rods, and have experience with epoxy, pot metal, and even hexagonal mylar flakes, (I have a metalflaked car)....and all three are visable on that piece.

It appears you were correct. Great observation. I thought it was quartz sand.

The jeweler who tested it shouldnt be in the business of buying gold. Your friend should go back and sell it to him.

 

[Jon Phillips]

Absolutely! And maybe drop by the flea market to pick up a couple of other "finds" for that jeweler to buy!

 

[JKPK1]

Knowing it is less than significant, I'm pretty certain the owner will give it a good bath. Maybe we can take another photo of it cleaned up.

As for the jeweler, it's not as if he went to the mall and asked, this was the friend of a friend kind of thing, sounds like an expert as all of us posting here.

The irony of all this is that while I am heading out to get some work done, and some of us are here lurking and posting, my friend is back at the beach working his detector.

Like I tell my wife when she is finding nothing but junk, you'll pick up a million caps and tabs for one great find.

I bet my friend is closing in on his million tabs, actually he has already gotten some nice stuff, albeit early 1900's to present.

Happy hunting guys, hope you all get out for the nice Florida weather and blip the find of a lifetime.

Sorry it's not 1715, but he'll post next time he finds something worthy.

PK

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

As for the jeweler, it's not as if he went to the mall and asked, this was the friend of a friend kind of thing, sounds like an expert as all of us posting here.

I hope no offense is taken but the friend of a friend cannot be categorized anywhere near an "experienced jeweler." He is NOT at all like the members of TN posting here. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt because it is TN rules, and Im afraid I break them sometimes. Truthfully, it is not difficult to tell the difference between gold and pot metal. It doesnt corrode like other metals and you dont need to be an expert to recognize it. It will still look the same after 2000 years in saltwater.

I hope we have helped somehow.

Good luck hunting the Treasure Coast. With the heavy sand renourishment, its hard to find anything. It may take years before those beaches start producing again. Heres a link that may help. http://treasurebeachesreport.blogspot.com/

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

As for the jeweler, it's not as if he went to the mall and asked, this was the friend of a friend kind of thing, sounds like an expert as all of us posting here.

PK

That's not what you told us at first, you said that it was tested by a local jeweler....

The metal part was tested by a local jeweler and indicated 22k gold.

PK

this was the friend of a friend kind of thing, sounds like an expert as all of us posting here.

PK

Obviously there are a LOT more people here that are a lot more of an expert (knowledgeable) then the friend of a friend since he couldn't tell the difference between potted metal and 22K gold, we were trying hard to give you and the finder the benefit of the doubt, since you said it was "tested by a local jeweler and indicated 22k gold.

Better luck next time, and good hunting...........