Don't Laugh too hard but....

[achanceforgold]

Don't Laugh to hard but I entered my dog in a metal detecting competition.
He has been doing Scent Detection Training to detect Gold and Silver

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[AU Seeker]

Don't Laugh to hard but I entered my dog in a metal detecting competition.
He has been doing Scent Detection Training to detect Gold and Silver

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How does the dog do with actual buried items?
Have you done any training/testing in the "wild" on long buried items?
How does the dog do with a free rein, i.e. you not leading him around?

 

[Blackfoot58]

I had a dog that urinated on fire hydrants.
Maybe I misread him.

 

[achanceforgold]

How does the dog do with actual buried items?
Have you done any training/testing in the "wild" on long buried items?
How does the dog do with a free rein, i.e. you not leading him around?

he has really good depth. two feet is an easy task for him.
as to being in the wild. No, all our training has been around town.
Thats why we are going to try a competition.
The depth, 2 inch's, won't be a problem. but being around other detectorist and in the wild may be.

As to free rein, we haven't taught that yet, because we are in town, I've done long leash but never fully open free reign

He is still young and as a lot of energy. gets distracted by kids playing and such. Something we are working on.

Here is a 1 foot depth test, gold and silver, with two distractions, a regular dime and a regular penny. He's gone a whole lot deeper.



He is still a work in progress. But he is getting there.

 

[achanceforgold]

I had a dog that urinated on fire hydrants.
Maybe I misread him.

lol...you probably did.
It's okay, Chance has urinated on gold target metals also

 

[AU Seeker]

he has really good depth. two feet is an easy task for him.
as to being in the wild. No, all our training has been around town.
Thats why we are going to try a competition.
The depth, 2 inch's, won't be a problem. but being around other detectorist and in the wild may be.

As to free rein, we haven't taught that yet, because we are in town, I've done long leash but never fully open free reign

He is still young and as a lot of energy. gets distracted by kids playing and such. Something we are working on.

Here is a 1 foot depth test, gold and silver, with two distractions, a regular dime and a regular penny. He's gone a whole lot deeper.



He is still a work in progress. But he is getting there.

I'm impressed.

But I would like to see how he does on items that are not apparent on the surface, in both videos there're "targets" he can see, i.e. the coin containers in the first video and the PVC pipes in the second, I'm just very curious how he does on actual long time buried items that he would have to actually find from a true search.

Also how are you planing on "pinpointing" the targets, do you plan on training him to start the "dig"?

I think having him on a leash is a good thing so you can grid just like you would with a metal detector and keep him under control from distractions.

 

[achanceforgold]

I'm impressed.

But I would like to see how he does on items that are not apparent on the surface, in both videos there're "targets" he can see, i.e. the coin containers in the first video and the PVC pipes in the second, I'm just very curious how he does on actual long time buried items that he would have to actually find from a true search.

I think having him on a leash is a good thing so you can grid just like you would with a metal detector and keep him under control from distractions.

you absolutely correct.

He knows that the target is in one of the pvc pipes or scent containers.
That's why I wanted to get him in competitions, where I don't even know where the target is. I couldn't think of another way of testing him. These will be shallow items. But supposedly prospecting dogs have detected ore deposits up to 12 meters, (40 feet) deep.

Any suggestion in testing is welcome.

 

[Almy]

I have noticed that some metals have a scent I can detect. Dogs have a lot more sensitive nose than I do. So it seems to be a great idea. I hadn't thought of it until I saw this post. Come here, my little Yorkie and see what you can do!

 

[achanceforgold]

I have noticed that some metals have a scent I can detect. Dogs have a lot more sensitive nose than I do. So it seems to be a great idea. I hadn't thought of it until I saw this post. Come here, my little Yorkie and see what you can do!

Actually, all scent detection dogs you see today use the training developed by Finland to detect Iron Ore for the steel industry. A guy named Pentti Mattsson.
The UK saw it in the early 70's and wanted drug sniffing dogs trained. The US picked up on it too for their Customes division.

Google prospecting dogs.

Yes, your little Yorkie could do it.

 

[ToddsPoint]

What a great idea. I have a half beagle/ half shih tzu that has an incredible nose. I’d have to take her where there aren’t any rabbits!🤣

 

[achanceforgold]

What a great idea. I have a half beagle/ half shih tzu that has an incredible nose. I’d have to take her where there aren’t any rabbits!🤣

oh, yes, beagles love to hunt. But they are the second-best scent detectors next to the bloodhound. But stubborn and very hard to train. Some friends use beagles for deer tracking

 

[ToddsPoint]

Stubborn is the word. I’ve had pure bred beagles before and this one is typical. Way more beagle than shih tzu. One owner dog. My wife’s dog. Ignores me unless I have food. I’ve taught her to find moles and we can get them!

 

[achanceforgold]

We had a beagle, escape artist. Same thing, the wife's dog.
Teach her to find silver for you.
That's an easy metal for dogs to scent detect.
It tarnishes and give off a distinct order that dogs can home in on.

Is she younger than eight? If so, she would be good at it.
After eight dogs have a hard time developing scent memory.

here is an article of a puppy finding gold coins in the park for its owner.

New Puppy Becomes a Golden Retriever After Sniffing Out a Stash of Rare Coins on His First Walk

Ollie, a Lagotto Romagnolo puppy, found 15 gold sovereign pieces estimated to be worth close to $8,000

people.com

You can take her to the park, and no one will say anything about you metal detecting

 

[Blackfoot58]

Dogs are used in France to find truffles.

 

[signal_line]

Call me highly skeptical. Sure, dogs can pick up human scent from someone touching the metal, and they can easily smell freshly disturbed ground where someone buried the metal. But what I have heard is that metal does not give off a scent.

Now I’ve seen two dogs that can detect the signal line from a frequency generator to a discriminated target. The dogs would lay down on the signal line. I guess it must feel good but it is possible they can hear the frequency—something in their body converts/transduces the signal into the “dog audible” range. So with that it is possible other sources of electromagnetic radiation like radio stations might produce enough energy for the dog to be able to recognize it. Some humans can sense the line from a frequency generator without using L-rods so it is highly likely a dog can do it better.

 

[Limitool]

I think I'll go find a black bear and train it. They got a great sniffer...!

 

[DizzyDigger]

I think I'll go find a black bear and train it. They got a great sniffer...!

They're also damn good excavators. You may have something there..

 

[KYgotGOLD]

That’s amazing. Probably the best hunting partner you can find.

 

[achanceforgold]

Call me highly skeptical. Sure, dogs can pick up human scent from someone touching the metal, and they can easily smell freshly disturbed ground where someone buried the metal. But what I have heard is that metal does not give off a scent.

Now I’ve seen two dogs that can detect the signal line from a frequency generator to a discriminated target. The dogs would lay down on the signal line. I guess it must feel good but it is possible they can hear the frequency—something in their body converts/transduces the signal into the “dog audible” range. So with that it is possible other sources of electromagnetic radiation like radio stations might produce enough energy for the dog to be able to recognize it. Some humans can sense the line from a frequency generator without using L-rods so it is highly likely a dog can do it better.

you are correct, Au and Ag themself have no odor, or at least non that we know of.
And I was skeptical also. think it's a human smell on the object. But after researching it. it's the sulfides they smell.

It's Au2S and Ag2S that scientist believe the dogs are scent detecting. Silver Sulfide and Gold Sulfide. They can distinguish the difference. Basically, the tarnish and corrosion. You've smelled H2S, hydrogen sulfide, the rotten egg smell. Well dogs apparently can smell all sulfides. At a much smaller amount than we can. 1-2 parts per trillion, they basically smell 10,000 to 100,000 times better than we do. So, all silver and gold have microscopic tarnishing and corrosion on it. Unless it's poured in a vacuum where no air can get to it.


this video is a geologist that used to rent his dog out to mining companies.
About two minutes into the video it explains


I've tested not touching the target metal myself. Yes, the dogs can still scent detect them. Then I realized, If they a scent detecting my odor, they aren't triggering off anything else I've touched. Like in the one video, I touched all the coins, all the pvc pipes, and all the dirt. But he only triggered on the gold and silver. So, he is not scent detecting me or disturbed dirt.

But it's good to be skeptical. But give it a try if you got a dog.

Now Apparently Elephants are even better than dogs at scent detection. Go figure with that long nose.

I tried convincing my landlord that I was legally allowed to have an emotional support elephant. But he said if I get one, he will evict me.....just kidding.

 

[achanceforgold]

That’s amazing. Probably the best hunting partner you can find.

Yep, truly my friend