bigcypresshunter said:
godisnum1 said:
Under those circumstances, I would likely retreat to public land.
I thought it about and I think its better to have private land that you can defend. You could be run off of public land or worse.

You could be forced into a refugee camp or a long line with everyone else thats displaced.
If you feel that way, you should learn how to make a well and everything else thats needed to survive.
Congratulations you look like a great couple.
You are so correct PEAK OIL has passed and the rest is down hill. No amount of diplomacy can stop the food shortages that are going to occur due to lack of inexpensive oil. I have seen many examples of what can be done to provide fuel for propelled vehicles from electric for short runners to bio diesel produced by algee for the larger machines. That is fuel for machines what most over look is all the other stuff we make with oil remove cheap oil and you have no fertilizer as we know it that means less corn is produced then that has to mean less cows will be sustained in turn we will see less and less until billions that require the government subsidized system of producing cheap food because of cheap oil shall stop. Like it or not according to some the earth can only support a billion people how true that is remains to be seen. There is aquaponics where fish and veggies are grown but that requires foresight and some education now while we have a abundance of piping not later when PVC is so expensive no one would be able to afford the setup. Our leaders are failing us miserably they are not getting ahead of the issue PEAK OIL.
I honestly believe this economy was halted to save fuel they decided to put the brakes on non essential works by derailing the economy. If you recall Jimmy Carter tried to get our consumption under control he was well on the way. The American people wanted to believe that oil would always be there and soon they will find out in a bad way that it can't. If they let us duke it out so be it my fear is they try the camps like you said or worse some bean counter says the world needs to shed xyz this content kill your x this continent kill your y and you kill your z to meet the quota. If they do this then they might just send out the crop duster to spread anthrax over flight paths of a few planes and that would be all they need do. They claim that 2 grams of that stuff can kill around 650K people. They love that because the spores are deadly but don't replicate so they would kill any that came in contact. You are correct to be prepared I think the pyramid scheme is to be finally found out by June2011 by then who knows what they will reveal but they can't keep this under wraps too much longer.
I agree, it would be more beneficial to have your own private land... but coming across good property with a natural spring head on it is gonna cost you quite a bit. Outside of that, buying land just likely won't be in my cards for a long while. And I don't really think we're going to have that long before one of the MANY factors break and end life as we know (or knew) it. I do know one thing, I will not be run off or forced into a "camp" by anyone... not with my Mini-14 & 30rd mags anyway.
As far as survival techniques, I've been studying/researching for 3 years or more... ever since Timberwolf used to be around. He opened my eyes to many things way back then. Knowing how to install a well would be beneficial, unless (and that's a strong "unless") you're forced to bug out and move locations. The best thing to do is to be able to procure a clean or semi-clean water source and be able to treat or filter it yourself so that you have potable water wherever you're at. I'm actually looking at getting a Katadyn Pocket Microfilter for that exact purpose. 13,000 gallons should be enough for myself and possibly one other person for an LONG period of time.
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