Ramiro valdez
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Ok, well I agree with, Mathew Roberts, that Waltz’s gold mine clues should be the main focus when looking for the LDM since they were recorded. All other non recorded clues that were passed on by the Dutchman to his friends can only add to the story of recorded clues. All these clues can become worthless if you don’t know the area or don’t have a map. But it is important to note that there is a map which was given to Julia Thomas. In fact there were several maps one in particular had an extra clue about a rock formation that had a hole in it called the eye of the needle to help his friends further identify the area in question. Why? Because he though that their might be a possibility that they would miss the Rock Horse canyon. Before you give directions it’s a good idea to draw a map, which he did. You can find the map or maps on the web and you should get yourself familiar with it if your going to follow these clues. The map should be the first focus and the clues should follow suit. The reason why Waltz gave clues, instead of proper directions, was to keep the gold mine a secret from others except his friends. He believed that they had enough clues plus a map to get them to the location of the mine safely. He gave them specific instructions to follow when they got close to the gold mine. This instructions were to be followed to keep them safe from getting killed by the Indians or anyone who might of found the location. The problem with this plan was that no one in the party could navigate, read a cipher map, or understand the clues that went along with the map. The clues are supposed to be used with the map in order to located the direction of the goldmine. Some, in the beginning were not aware that Waltz actually gave away the coordinates to his gold mine and for that you need two lines of direction. The first one was on the map and the second one was on his finger when he pointed to the east. If you were a good navigator you would simply follow this straight line in the direction that he pointed by using a compass. All you needed then was the second directional line which was on his map. The map contained the starting point which was north of his farm located on the north side of the salt river near the Nail Creek Crossing. These two lines would eventually intercept each other within a 3 square mile area of marginal error which should be sufficient to locate. The finger direction can go along way, you just have to find the stopping point. The focus should first be the map or maps followed by the recorded clues then followed by other clues that would only add to the story of where the mine was located. The first water is a natural spring water hole called black Mesa located within two miles to the north of his farm. Within three miles north of the Mesa spring you will find Oak Creek spring water hole. Oak creek water hole lies close to an old government trail that leads toward the east in the direction of Aztec peak. The government trail would go from one fort to the other circling the high ridge mountains. Waltz would pick up the trail not far from the Oak Creek water hole. The trail would go east working its way around a cow farm before turning south. At the turn the trail would split in two, one trail would turn south towards Fort Apache in the direction of San Carlos. The other trail would proceed north climbing the Sierra Ancha Mountain ridge towards a small saddle. The first lookout camp laid towards the east below the saddle’s steep drop. Waltz wanted them to spy on the camp first before going throughout the saddle to a higher point that would allowed them to see more of the surrounding area for unwanted traffic before going down into the lookout camp. The camp was located in the center of a turn around outlook Indian post. There is a large rock formation in the center of this turn around and in the forward section of the rock formation you will find the cotton wood stand where Waltz hid spying on the canyon. He instructed them to go towards the mouth of the canyon when all was clear to locate the ruins and not to go into the canyon, but to proceed towards the second camp near the Armor Corral Spring located towards the east where they could get a good view of anyone coming towards the mine from the east.They were supposed to approach the rock horse canyon from the east across from the hidden canyon wall where they could make sure no one was working the mine before proceeding to locate the secondary secret passageway by way of the ruins which would lead them onto the ledge. The ledge would lead them to the mine so they could grab the gold that Waltz left behind, as he was used to doing, so they wouldn’t have to spend too much time in the mine for safety reasons. Call me crazy but crazy likes to locate meaningful treasure locations. So, I’m going to just wait for another crazy person to take the challenge of discovery. If no one takes the challenge, then I'm just going to say the same thing Waltz, said “ your not going to find the mine “. To the north as the elevation rises you will spot the eye of the needle which was supposed to let them know that they had gone too far and missed the canyon. The rest of the clues you can figure out yourself because it can only add and never take away from the LDM story. Amazingly! The cotton wood stand or blind is still there!!
