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[Native Floridian]

You'd be surprised to find out what I know.

I wasn't challenging you. You posted asking me to prove the Heritage Foundation link to Ocare. That tells me, you were not aware of it. That doesn't make you a bad person, stupid, or even uninformed. Just unaware - no further judgement rendered.

 

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[Dave44]

I wasn't challenging you. You posted asking me to prove the Heritage Foundation link to Ocare. That tells me, you were not aware of it. That doesn't make you a bad person, stupid, or even uninformed. Just unaware - no further judgement rendered.

I would still like to see your "link". I think you are very unaware too, just regurgitating what you have heard or read on some fanatic site somewhere. I don't think you are stupid either, just prone to manipulation.

 

[Dave44]

Dave you are way out there. Not my point at all. My point was that rich folks could look at middle income wage earners and talk about them in the same derisive terms that the middle income wage earners talk about the poor. yet, gotta say, my job puts me in contact with a lot of rich people. i mean really wealthy people. And none of them, not one talks about anyone in those terms. In fact it is quite the opposite - they speak of helping others. Not just the poor. But the disadvantaged and even those not so disadvantaged. Most are generous. And, interestingly, there is no political line.

Yet, in some places where the voices are not rich, there is much complaining about having to support the poor and disadvantaged. My post was only to bring out that while these people complain that they are tired of picking up the tab for the poor, that there are others who are picking up the tab for them. Obamacare is but one example of how this works. A middle income earner will pay less for the same coverage than a top earner. This even though from an underwriting POV, they are equal health risks. Why? The top earner is picking up part of the tab of the lower earners to make the program more affordable.

Not stirring the pot. Just offering a different POV.

And, i'm not down with socialism. Yet, our tax system forces me to live with it.

Ah but NF. You speak like a Marxist, trying to persuade people that they are tools of the rich. Then you switch back saying you don't want that, and rich people don't have a political opinion one way or the other. Presumably they are too stupid to know they are being fleeced.

It does look as if some of them are trying way too hard to look like they care now. Like a political correctness viewpoint. Some of them know they are in trouble. They see the mood of the administration and they are hearing the drumbeat of the Marxist Ideology. I would be surprised if a single client of yours told you the truth of their political leanings, if you are good at sorting out the Keynesian economy, because they need your insight into the madness that is not based on free markets.

There is another side to money in the Marxist takeover. And it might be pure greed. How do you keep your wealth when everyone in Gov wants to take it from you? Snuggle up to the power structure, try to slam the door behind you.

 

[loco oro]

And what did the poor people making $12,000 or less do when they got sick? Straight to the emergency room at taxpayer expense. But that's okay, because Obama wasn't involved, right?

?those making less than 12,000 are going to continue with free health care,and will still run to the emergency room,at tax payers expense, i never said i was o.k with that,quite the opposite,and those that stick the hospitals with unpaid bills, will surely get subsidized ,at tax payers expense, so you tell me what exactly is the unaffordable care act,doing to help anyone that isnt already on med card,and didnt have health care because they couldnt afford it?can they now maggicly afford it because its now a law? it simply doesnt matter what is wrong or right with anything o does you will defend it . i thought blinders were for horses ,i guess some people have them too.

 

[-Taz-]

Food for thought;




The U.S. economy does better under Democratic presidents ? is it just luck?

 

[NHBandit]

Food for thought;


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The U.S. economy does better under Democratic presidents ? is it just luck?

So what your chart is showing is that the growth under Obama is worse than any of the Republicans except for Bush-2, second term and about the same as Nixons second term ? Cool ! Statistics are all in how you read them..... Sorry bro but I live in the NOW, not the past. I want to see what the current President is doing not what someone long dead did and your guys stats are nothing to be proud of.. In fact if you take it further and compare them to the averages on the far right of your cute little chart they are well below the average of EITHER party.

 

[UncleMatt]

?those making less than 12,000 are going to continue with free health care,and will still run to the emergency room,at tax payers expense, i never said i was o.k with that,quite the opposite,and those that stick the hospitals with unpaid bills, will surely get subsidized ,at tax payers expense, so you tell me what exactly is the unaffordable care act,doing to help anyone that isnt already on med card,and didnt have health care because they couldnt afford it?can they now maggicly afford it because its now a law? it simply doesnt matter what is wrong or right with anything o does you will defend it . i thought blinders were for horses ,i guess some people have them too.

No, the ACA gives subsidies to people who cannot afford to pay for health insurance. Its not the same as before at all. When you have an agenda to remain ignorant, you do exactly that. Your comments about blinders apply to yourself, since you have zero idea what is actually in the ACA (Cue all the Pelosi misquoters).

And we are all still waiting on the affordable alternative from the right wing. You want to repeal the ACA? Okay, where is your alternative that does things better than the ACA? Even KUDLOW said on his show on CNBC last night that the republicans need to do more than just condemn the ACA, they need to provide an affordable alternative. WHERE IS IT?

 

[UncleMatt]

Sorry bro but I live in the NOW, not the past.

Were you posting things like this under the last admin when they were spending us into the ground to benefit citizens of a Muslim country? Were you "living in the now" at that time? Like you claim you are now?

And I wouldn't want anyone thinking about the past either, if I had the record the republicans do when they are in power. But the rest of us try to learn from the past, not simply repeat it. A cherry-picked focus on slices of time to promote a political agenda is an obvious ploy from those who want to run as fast as they can from their own record.

 

[Native Floridian]

Ah but NF. You speak like a Marxist, trying to persuade people that they are tools of the rich. Then you switch back saying you don't want that, and rich people don't have a political opinion one way or the other. Presumably they are too stupid to know they are being fleeced.

It does look as if some of them are trying way too hard to look like they care now. Like a political correctness viewpoint. Some of them know they are in trouble. They see the mood of the administration and they are hearing the drumbeat of the Marxist Ideology. I would be surprised if a single client of yours told you the truth of their political leanings, if you are good at sorting out the Keynesian economy, because they need your insight into the madness that is not based on free markets.

There is another side to money in the Marxist takeover. And it might be pure greed. How do you keep your wealth when everyone in Gov wants to take it from you? Snuggle up to the power structure, try to slam the door behind you.

Again dave, way off. I guess i need to give you some room for your wild assumptions. Like telling me my neighborhood has abandoned houses. This though you live hundreds of miles away and have never been here. Always with the way off base reach!

The wealthy i know are not stupid. They are generous people not guided by political ideology. They give because they care. That is the only reason they give. For some of these donations, not all, they receive tax deductions. Still, my point, their taxes help pay your way.

 

[-Taz-]

So what your chart is showing is that the growth under Obama is worse than any of the Republicans except for Bush-2, second term and about the same as Nixons second term ? Cool !.

It says that the current administration has done a better job then all of the republican, and most of the democratic, administrations in regards to what the previous administration left behind.

 

[Native Floridian]

So what your chart is showing is that the growth under Obama is worse than any of the Republicans except for Bush-2, second term and about the same as Nixons second term ? Cool ! Statistics are all in how you read them..... Sorry bro but I live in the NOW, not the past. I want to see what the current President is doing not what someone long dead did and your guys stats are nothing to be proud of.. In fact if you take it further and compare them to the averages on the far right of your cute little chart they are well below the average of EITHER party.

Seriously? Obama crushed Bush two, and equaled Bush one and Nixon. And none of them was handed an economy on life support as was Obama.

Interest rates are near record lows and inflation is non existent. Perfect conditions for the economy to thrive. And if people aren't thriving with it? maybe something needs to change?

 

[Dave44]

Food for thought;


View attachment 908379

The U.S. economy does better under Democratic presidents ? is it just luck?

A. You started with Truman.. lolol.. your graph is incomplete. After FDR ran the US into the ground and was helped out by WWII the economy had to go up.
B. What does this graph represent? Unemployment? Inflation? Interest rates, Debt? Something wrong here.

THe graph looks like it was made in Pelosis' basement by her granddaughter.


I decided to spend the bandwidth. This is from the article-
""Democrats would no doubt like to attribute the large D-R growth gap to better macroeconomic policies, but the data do not support such a claim,” the authors write. (Blinder worked as an adviser in the Clinton White House, Watson is an econometrician not affiliated with either party.)"

 

[Dave44]

Seriously? Obama crushed Bush two, and equaled Bush one and Nixon. And none of them was handed an economy on life support as was Obama.

Interest rates are near record lows and inflation is non existent. Perfect conditions for the economy to thrive. And if people aren't thriving with it? maybe something needs to change?

Tell us what needs to change, NF. Say it, I know you want to.

 

[NHBandit]

I don't know how to respond to the excuses so I'm not going to bother. It falls on deaf ears anyway. My point was that the chart clearly shows Obummer to be a complete failure compared to nearly every other President in the last 70 years. And the guys who think he single handedly is turning things around ? Let me get things straight so I understand. When things go wrong it's that pesky Republican majority in Congress who is at fault. When something good happens Mr Obama did it all by himself. Like when he swam across the ocean with a Ka-Bar in his teeth and killed Bin Laden.. OK got it... Like I said, it's all in how you choose to look at it. I can look up at the clouds & see Elvis. Does that mean he's up there ?

 

[loco oro]

No, the ACA gives subsidies to people who cannot afford to pay for health insurance. Its not the same as before at all. When you have an agenda to remain ignorant, you do exactly that. Your comments about blinders apply to yourself, since you have zero idea what is actually in the ACA (Cue all the Pelosi misquoters).

And we are all still waiting on the affordable alternative from the right wing. You want to repeal the ACA? Okay, where is your alternative that does things better than the ACA? Even KUDLOW said on his show on CNBC last night that the republicans need to do more than just condemn the ACA, they need to provide an affordable alternative. WHERE IS IT?

you are right on onecount, (its not as before),heres an alternative ,cap medical costs on rutine visits,set reasonable costs on medical procedures ,i ask when i was a bone marrow donor for my brother ,why did that 2 week stay cost close to a million dollars,i understand med services provide life saving treatments,but mds charge outrageous prices for their services,they get rich on your misfortune ,there is nothing they do ,or provide that justify these prices,the materials they use,the skill sets, the meds,nothing, why does a emergency room visit cost 900.00?if costs were regulated, there wouldnt be a need for any of this ,ins would be less,thus people would voluntary have ins. the medical field is guilty of price gouging ,and there isnt even a shortage,this i believe would be a start to REAL affordable care,not trying to figure out how the masses can pay for exorbitant prices.lower the cost, and there wouldnt be a need, make healthcare reasonable!and before you start to defend these high prices,you need to show justification for them, there are services being provided by individuals,that are dangerous to their safety ,that dont price gouge, i.e law enforcement, gas line welders, electrical lineman,soldiers ,i could go on, you cant live without these services either. just saying ,affordable care starts with AFFORDABLE CARE!saying that i am ignorant just shows exactly how ignorant you are .

 

[njal]

Again dave, way off. I guess i need to give you some room for your wild assumptions. Like telling me my neighborhood has abandoned houses. This though you live hundreds of miles away and have never been here. Always with the way off base reach!

The wealthy i know are not stupid. They are generous people not guided by political ideology. They give because they care. That is the only reason they give. For some of these donations, not all, they receive tax deductions. Still, my point, their taxes help pay your way.

Camden and Trenton are close to Princeton NJ . Just saying ,you're not all
that far from the boarded up homes.

 

[UncleMatt]

When you make grandiose claims about the ACA that are factually in error, what label should be applied to you?

And I may agree with you that health care providers are gouging consumers, but the people who like charging all that money for health care have AN ARMY of lobbyists to defeat before this could be passed into law. Never mind the field day right wing media would have with it as being "socialist". Those health care companies pay a lot of campaign contributions to preserve their profit margins, since they are really "people", not corporations. And I don't recall any conservatives proposing such a plan, or anyone else for that matter.

 

[NHBandit]

you are right on onecount, (its not as before),heres an alternative ,cap medical costs on rutine visits,set reasonable costs on medical procedures ,i ask when i was a bone marrow donor for my brother ,why did that 2 week stay cost close to a million dollars,i understand med services provide life saving treatments,but mds charge outrageous prices for their services,they get rich on your misfortune ,there is nothing they do ,or provide that justify these prices,the materials they use,the skill sets, the meds,nothing, why does a emergency room visit cost 900.00?if costs were regulated, there wouldnt be a need for any of this ,ins would be less,thus people would voluntary have ins. the medical field is guilty of price gouging ,and there isnt even a shortage,this i believe would be a start to REAL affordable care,not trying to figure out how the masses can pay for exorbitant prices.lower the cost, and there wouldnt be a need, make healthcare reasonable!and before you start to defend these high prices,you need to show justification for them, there are services being provided by individuals,that are dangerous to their safety ,that dont price gouge, i.e law enforcement, gas line welders, electrical lineman,soldiers ,i could go on, you cant live without these services either. just saying ,affordable care starts with AFFORDABLE CARE!saying that i am ignorant just shows exactly how ignorant you are .

^^^^^^^^^^ This.... is the real problem. The government wants "affordable care"? How about starting with the insurance companies that own some of the largest buildings in the world. Those came from excessive profits of course. Hospitals charging $20 for a bandaid, $15 each for aspirin etc. Historically speaking ANY time the government gets involved in the private sector prices go up, not down. People really think this is going to be any different ? LMAO

 

[Dave44]

LOL Al. I let him rant about it because it wasn't my assertion that it was his neighborhood(wasn't even my post), another example in the string of comprehension problems . His neighborhood is defined as 2 blocks anyway. It is simple to show that if anything that happens isn't on his porch, it didn't happen

 

[Dave44]

When you make grandiose claims about the ACA that are factually in error, what label should be applied to you?

And I may agree with you that health care providers are gouging consumers, but the people who like charging all that money for health care have AN ARMY of lobbyists to defeat before this could be passed into law. Never mind the field day right wing media would have with it as being "socialist". Those health care companies pay a lot of campaign contributions to preserve their profit margins, since they are really "people", not corporations. And I don't recall any conservatives proposing such a plan, or anyone else for that matter.

You don't recall because you choose not too. A simple google search would show you how wrong that statement is.