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i cant believe that some cant ,or will not see the injustice that obama has perpitrated on the american people, the dirt poor already had the medical card, those well off had insurance, those just above the 12,000 poverty line couldnt afford it, but are now forced to purchase it,subsidies or not ,this is going to hurt them,some might say they should have ins,and i would agree, but that would be their choice,now that chioce has been taken away. you can argue that everyone needs it,well everyone also needs a home ,are we to buy the homeless a house then?seriously ,if you dont have it ,for whatever reason, everyone else shouldnt have to subsidize it for them.
 

And what did the poor people making $12,000 or less do when they got sick? Straight to the emergency room at taxpayer expense. But that's okay, because Obama wasn't involved, right?
 

UncleMatt said:
And what did the poor people making $12,000 or less do when they got sick? Straight to the emergency room at taxpayer expense. But that's okay, because Obama wasn't involved, right?
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And this won't come out of taxpayers pockets? Funny Before The King I didn't see alot of poor people dying in the streets.
 

onfire said:
And this won't come out of taxpayers pockets? Funny Before The King I didn't see alot of poor people dying in the streets.
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What country are you posting from, we elect our leaders in the US.

And not sure what you are asking with "And this won't come out of taxpayer pockets?" Before the ACA we the taxpayer were paying for all the emergency room care, since Reagan passed an unfunded mandate with the EMTAL act. He passed a law that forced private companies to pay for people who showed up in emergency rooms yet could not pay. Then they seek reimbursement from the government. That is why the Heritage Foundation and Mitt Romney came up with the ACA so that people would have to pay their own way. But as soon as Obama said he liked it, all of a sudden...
 

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Up the creek, no paddle, no boat, no life preserver, dumb voters to boot, laughing at us from the sidelines until the creekbank caves in, then they turn to the national guard to rescue them, cause they're up the creek too, union won't let the guard near the water due to funding. So we all get out miraculously, go to the ER with our Obamacards, sit there three frickin days and die anyhow. Welcome to the new world order. That wasn't negative, was it?
 

pippinwhitepaws said:
seems you left out major portions of the message posted above.

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California spokesman Dana Howard maintained that in public presentations the exchange has always made clear that there will be winners and losers under Obamacare.

"Some people will see an increase who are already on the individual market purchasing insurance," he said, "but most people will not."

Covered California officials note that at least 570,000 of the 1.9 million people who buy their own insurance should be eligible for subsidies that will reduce their premiums.

Even those who don't qualify for the tax subsidies could see their rates drop because Obamacare doesn't allow insurers to charge people more if they have pre-existing conditions such as diabetes and cancer, he said.
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So in that way, with subsidies, the rich are carrying the not so rich. As well as the poor. Yet we don't hear those rich taxpayers screaming socialism. Wonder why that is?

The program seeks to correct a lot ills with the health insurance market. Which is highly predatory.

Seems that there is a lot of criticism coming from the right of policies being cancelled but no mention of why those policies are being cancelled.
 

onfire said:
And this won't come out of taxpayers pockets? Funny Before The King I didn't see alot of poor people dying in the streets.
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Actually it's going to come out of the pocket of wealthy people. They get tapped to ante up just as they do with taxes.

I wonder if they have a forum where they complain about it...it would go like this:"I started with nothing and i'm a multimillionaire 50 times over. That's what this country is all about. get up in the morning pull your socks up and get down to business. I don't understand these working people. If they worked as hard and as smart as i did they'd have everything i have. I guess they really didn't want it!"
 

Native Floridian said:
Actually it's going to come out of the pocket of wealthy people. They get tapped to ante up just as they do with taxes.

I wonder if they have a forum where they complain about it...it would go like this:"I started with nothing and i'm a multimillionaire 50 times over. That's what this country is all about. get up in the morning pull your socks up and get down to business. I don't understand these working people. If they worked as hard and as smart as i did they'd have everything i have. I guess they really didn't want it!"
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WOW. Well put. Down with the rich! Down with Capitalism. One world, one government and let the powers tell us what we want!!!
 

UncleMatt said:
What country are you posting from, we elect our leaders in the US.

And not sure what you are asking with "And this won't come out of taxpayer pockets?" Before the ACA we the taxpayer were paying for all the emergency room care, since Reagan passed an unfunded mandate with the EMTAL act. He passed a law that forced private companies to pay for people who showed up in emergency rooms yet could not pay. Then they seek reimbursement from the government. That is why the Heritage Foundation and Mitt Romney came up with the ACA so that people would have to pay their own way. But as soon as Obama said he liked it, all of a sudden...
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Mitt did indeed champion a State insurance program,, On a state level the people of their state should be able to bankrupt it anyway they see fit. Just don't know how they will print their way out.

But you couldn't be more wrong, again Matt. Heritage and Mitt never came up with anything like this. (Mitt is very progressive though,, I am amazed you don't like him).
Funny a few of the misguided souls keep spouting Heritage,, where did you guys get your talking points on that? Were you channeling Hugo Chavez?
 

Native Floridian said:
So in that way, with subsidies, the rich are carrying the not so rich. As well as the poor. Yet we don't hear those rich taxpayers screaming socialism. Wonder why that is?

The program seeks to correct a lot ills with the health insurance market. Which is highly predatory.

Seems that there is a lot of criticism coming from the right of policies being cancelled but no mention of why those policies are being cancelled.
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Well, the rich are only carrying half the load. The other half is being printed. That printing of money is a huge tax on all of us...it just hasn't caused the bill to come due yet (inflation), but it will. That inflation will hit the poor and middle class the hardest.
Jim
 

Dave44 said:
Heritage foundation did come up with an alternative to clintons wreck. But it didn't reflect lucifercare. I am not surprised NF throws out these tidbits though, he read it on some left wing kook site like media matters or msnbc.
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Yes the Heritage Foundation came up with the individual mandate in 1989, that went exactly NOWHERE. And it went NOWHERE multiple times after that. I do find it funny all of a sudden that the Libs are trying to embrace a "conservative" idea in order to save the ACA. Shows how desperate they are starting to get.
 

Here's a link to one Mr. Stuart M. Butler, Vice President of Domestic and Economic Policy Studies at The Heritage Foundation. The views expressed in this testimony are his own, and should not be construed as representing any official position of The Heritage Foundation.

Laying the Groundwork for Universal Health Care Coverage

In this testimony he highlights a MAJOR problem that has not been fixed. And until it is fixed, healthcare will be nothing but a giant cluster. The whole Medicare problem rests on the heads of Congress and Congress alone. Maybe if they were more worried about doing their jobs, instead padding their wallets, we wouldn't be in this situation.

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The main reason that Medicare's benefits package is out of date-despite the general awareness that it needs to be updated-is that all major benefit changes require an act of Congress. Consequently, discussions about changing benefits (especially about introducing new benefits by reducing coverage for less important ones) are necessarily entangled in the political process. Providers included in the package fight diligently-and usually effectively-to block serious attempts to scale back outdated coverage for their specialties. Meanwhile, talk of upgrading the Medicare benefits package unleashes an intense lobbying battle among other specialties that seek to be included in the Medicare benefits package. Invariably, the result depends as much (if not more) on shrewd lobbying than on good medical practice. The understandable reluctance of most lawmakers to subject themselves to this pressure further slows the process of modernizing benefits.
 

Mad Machinist said:
Yes the Heritage Foundation came up with the individual mandate in 1989, that went exactly NOWHERE. And it went NOWHERE multiple times after that. I do find it funny all of a sudden that the Libs are trying to embrace a "conservative" idea in order to save the ACA. Shows how desperate they are starting to get.
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Disperate? Paleezeee!!!!!

Just doing our part to get the truth out. Before I posted it you had no idea that the genesis of Obamacare was formed in a republican think tank. Fact is, your side doesn't want you to know that. It takes the sting out of their message. Remember, none of what you hear from inside the beltway is about truth. it's about perception.

The truth is the Heritage Foundation isn't what it was 20 years ago. Much more Xright today than then. Kinda hijacked today, if i read right what's going on over there.

The dems looked at the Romney heritage healthcare model and said hey that's a start. What we ended up with is an abomination of that plan, but that's what you get when government gets in the way of itself.
 

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Native Floridian said:
And backatcha! Well misunderstood dave!
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LOL you are the one trying to stir the pot NF. If only you could divide the haves from the have nots, then you might finally see the change you strive for.

Even OB has a great signature that alludes to why socialism hasn't worked in this country,, yet. But if you can only show the poor how they are being mistreated by the monied folks maybe you have a chance?
 

Jim in Idaho said:
Well, the rich are only carrying half the load. The other half is being printed. That printing of money is a huge tax on all of us...it just hasn't caused the bill to come due yet (inflation), but it will. That inflation will hit the poor and middle class the hardest.
Jim
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Without the rich it would be hitting them now.

But you bring up an interesting point - The fed's economic stimulus program. Personally, i'm good with it, low interest rates coupled with low inflation equals the best of all worlds. Yet, I hear this all the time, about what a mistake it is - how the Fed is currently handling our economy. What i don't hear are alternatives. if you were in charge what would you do differently?

And ,yes, at some point interest rates will go up. But that's not a bad thing. It's a normal thing.
 

Dave44 said:
LOL you are the one trying to stir the pot NF. If only you could divide the haves from the have nots, then you might finally see the change you strive for.

Even OB has a great signature that alludes to why socialism hasn't worked in this country,, yet. But if you can only show the poor how they are being mistreated by the monied folks maybe you have a chance?
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Dave you are way out there. Not my point at all. My point was that rich folks could look at middle income wage earners and talk about them in the same derisive terms that the middle income wage earners talk about the poor. yet, gotta say, my job puts me in contact with a lot of rich people. i mean really wealthy people. And none of them, not one talks about anyone in those terms. In fact it is quite the opposite - they speak of helping others. Not just the poor. But the disadvantaged and even those not so disadvantaged. Most are generous. And, interestingly, there is no political line.

Yet, in some places where the voices are not rich, there is much complaining about having to support the poor and disadvantaged. My post was only to bring out that while these people complain that they are tired of picking up the tab for the poor, that there are others who are picking up the tab for them. Obamacare is but one example of how this works. A middle income earner will pay less for the same coverage than a top earner. This even though from an underwriting POV, they are equal health risks. Why? The top earner is picking up part of the tab of the lower earners to make the program more affordable.

Not stirring the pot. Just offering a different POV.

And, i'm not down with socialism. Yet, our tax system forces me to live with it.
 

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