Deep coins.....10 inches or more??

[1235CE]

O.K., question.....I have a Whites XLT my brother has a DFX....We have been detecting very regularly for 7 years and we live on the Mass/NY line.... Our detectors are considered by many to be top of the line and we each have found thousands of old coins. Neither of us has EVER found a coin deeper than 6 inches and when we do find coins in that range they are most always from the 1700's/early 1800's; copper or silver.

Here is an example of my depth ranges and what comes out of the ground here at certain depths.

clad/new coins = 0 inches to 1 inch
wheat cents = 1-2 inches
Indian heads = 2-3 inches
large cents = 3-4 inches
Colonials = 3-6 inches
shield/V/Buff/Jeff nickels = 1-4 inches
Roosie silver dime = 2 inches
Merc dime = 2 inches
Barber dime = 2-3 inches
seated dime = 3-4 inches
Bust dime = 4-6 inches
half dimes = 3-5 inches
silver Washington quarter = 2 inches
Standing Lib quarter = 2-3 inches
Barber quarter = 3 inches
seated quarter = 3-4 inches
Bust quarter = 4-6 inches
Kennedy/Franklin/Walking halves 1-3 inches
Barber halves = 3-4 inches
Seated halves = 4 inches
Bust halves = 4-6 inches
dollars (have 3 Peace, 1 Morgan) = 2-3 inches
2 cent pieces = 2-4 inches
3 cent pieces = 3-5 inches

Of course, there are exceptions (like a 1787 Fugio Cent at 1 inch and a 1963 Roosie at 6 inches....go figure)

I am always reading that people are recovering coins at 10+ inches and quite honestly, I don't think our detectors even go that deep....it makes me wonder if people are mis-reading their depths or they have very soft soil in their neck of the woods.

Now I'm not saying we don't miss any coins because I'm sure that we do but if we are finding all of these coins at these depths what could we possibly be missing?


Beep, beep and be deep (but not over 6 inches because we'll miss it )

HH all
Greg

 

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[Rusted_Iron]

UB - 1469,

Sorry I'm with the badger on this one. And do you live close by? Not for safety reasons, I just want to know your pharmacist!

Hehee.

Who is UB-1469? And you guys thought I was drinking wine?

 

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[Mirage]

No I know we will not give up on the DFX - my son usually kills me with it. It just let him down this brief moment. Last week he was digging silver dimes at 6-7 inches - just a different place, time, soil, etc. He is by no means an expert at tweaking it. Every detector is a tool. Different tools for different applications. Also skill and amount of time with the tool determines how useful it becomes in that application.

Mirage

 

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

Hey, Charles. Was up to your park this last weekend hunting with Butch. You have some phenomenal parks that still have amazing finds.

Oh I heard we had visitors! Sorry I missed you but I'm glad you made a good find! That bandstand will never be hunted out. I went back over it Sunday evening after hearing you folks dug seated and plucked two more IH's off the slope that were hiding in the trash and a third down toward the bottom of the slope. That is easily the 8th time I have hunted that little area and it always gives up something.

Check out this 20k gold ring, that came off the front slope about 3 feet from the top. http://www.detectorgear.com/images/pggold/goldring6.jpg Now you know why I always go back there.
Charles

 

[JW]

Needless to say I got an education and my son wants to sell his DFX."

I'll post our finds later tonight.

Bob


Bob, please, please, PLEASE tell me that you are spoofing on Charles (and White's).....because if you're not then your post opens up TONS (oh, and I mean TONS) of other questions...

beep, beep and......are you freakin' kidding me??!!

Greg

If he's not spoofing, don't be put off if someone is that quick to dismiss the DFX. (yes I edited this part, I shouldn't have said "can't take them seriously", after all it's just their opinion). I'm finding about an equal # of people who love the thing as there are who bash it. I also know a lot of these people are setting it up incorrectly. I'm going to fall back on an old standby... it's not as much the detector as it is the person using it.

The other day I read a forum post where some Minelab owner said the Tejon is "junk". What is this person, stupid?? He / she used the thing for maybe a couple hours and gave up. Wow, what an expert, I better listen to that opinion.

Recently I spoke to a dealer who routinely uses both a Tejon and an Explorer. He loves both machines and says they both find deep coins. He says the Explorer has an edge because of tone ID, but the Tejon is otherwise pretty much even with it on raw depth. I have spoken to numerous dealers and found this guy to be the most balanced, knowledgeable, and sensible person yet. Anyway, he says the Tejon and Explorer are two of his favorite units, but he also says good things about some of the Fishers and Garretts. (I don't think he's used White's that much, so he doesn't have any advice on them).

As a proud new owner of a Minelab, I've no reason to bash 'em. But some of what I've seen on other forums is less than reliable to say the least. The attitude I'm picking up from some people is "D00D TEH M1NELAB IS SO MUCH kEWLER THAN yOUR D3T3CT0R U WASTEd UR M0N3Y LOL I'M F1ND1NG C01N5 AT 2 F33T D33P LOL LOL LOL!!!!"

Come to think of it, maybe I should just sit back and enjoy the detector wars. After all, D00D I g0T A M1N3LAB U aRNT AS kEWL aS ME LOL. Now I can turn the thing on, set it up incorrectly, and complain that I'm missing coins deeper than 6"

That is funny! I like 'D00D' and kEWL... lol

The DFX is an amazing machine, it is more adaptable and tweakable than the Explorers, it should not be disregarded just because it doesn't go as deep as the Explorers. I've been thinking of getting a DFX to compliment my Explorer2, hit a spot this weekend where the DFX shined and the Explorer choked... Just goes to show you there still isn't one detector to rule them all (forgive the punn). Check out the manuals to see just how far you can push the DFX, it would find small gold nuggets if set-up correctly, the Explorer will only find big nuggets no matter how you set it up. The comment about the Tesoro is so wank, it too has its shiny spots and will even out find the Explorer on small gold items.

Do you think I could swing one in each hand...

 

[Rusted_Iron]

That is funny! I like 'D00D' and kEWL... lol

The DFX is an amazing machine, it is more adaptable and tweakable than the Explorers, it should not be disregarded just because it doesn't go as deep as the Explorers. I've been thinking of getting a DFX to compliment my Explorer2, hit a spot this weekend where the DFX shined and the Explorer choked... Just goes to show you there still isn't one detector to rule them all (forgive the punn). Check out the manuals to see just how far you can push the DFX, it would find small gold nuggets if set-up correctly, the Explorer will only find big nuggets no matter how you set it up. The comment about the Tesoro is so wank, it too has its shiny spots and will even out find the Explorer on small gold items.

That's why I like the treasurenet forums, this thread in particular. You folks seem pretty fair in your estimations. Even when a flame war nearly started, it turned reasonable and courteous pretty quickly (compared to what I've seen elsewhere). A lot of good knowledge has been brought out here.

So anyway, I have that Explorer now, and to be honest with you, I have no idea what I'm doing with it. I need to download a manual, but from what I've seen, even that is a little intimidating. It is going to take me a long time to be able to tweak the kind of depth out of it that you more experienced users are getting. But it's all good, at least I know the machine can do it (if I can set it up right). Like you said, each of these machines has its good points.

Right now I am getting great enjoyment out of the Tejon and have already found my first 10" deep coin with it.

By the way, for those of you who weren't sure, "D00D" and "K3Wl" are wanna-be 'hacker' slang (for "dude" and "cool") that's prevalent on forums pertaining to computers, video games, car stereos, skateboards, that sort of thing. Yes, I am young enough to have been a computer gamer at one time.

Y'all have never seen me post a message with a bottle o' wine in me... yet

 

[JW]

I hunt wide open 90% of the time. Which means no IronMask, no Discrimination, for a little while after digging most everything I had a silver dime in my pocket and would waive it over the coil from time to time to remind myself of 'the sound of silver'. I entered the manual edits for most of the keepers in the area and switched back and forth when I locked onto a target, it was a good in the field reference page. I also hunt mostly at night after work without a headlight, I made a numerical spread sheet for reference but at night without light... I prefer to hunt in the cursor screen and not the numerical readout screen (Smart & Digital-I think).

I hunt in Ferrous tones, Gain 6-7, variablity-10, threshold tone-1 level just audible, limits-10, volume-8 (with deep forest headphones LOUD), normal sounds, recovery-deep ON fast OFF (fast is good in heavy trash but all the coins sound different and hit different on the screen), response-normal, manual sensitivity as high as the cursor is stable, if you have a probe and you run the SENS over 24 then to use the probe without falsing I hit the auto SENS button. That is just about it.

If you run it wide open (clear screen) then the accept and reject stuff doesn't pertain to the operation of the machine, I found the manual a bit confusing and Charles' comments and settings very helpful. Basically I am just repeating most of the tips I have picked up to this point. Right now I don't think I even have any patterns in my machine, I like hearing everything even in trashy areas, cause after all that deep almost iron sound just may be a coin... I don't know how these guys do it but I have seen it in action and listened to the targets with my machine before recovery and damned if it isn't a deep keeper. I figure in another 200 keepers i'll begin to get it.

Try to have fun.

JW

 

[Rusted_Iron]

UR - 1469,

Quote Y'all have never seen me post a message with a bottle o' wine in me... yet Grin


Now I have seen a lot of emergency ex rays, and I have seen a lot of bottles of wine in strange places. Now you must be using a different name if you came into EM.
By the way was it a cork, or a screw cap? This would at least cut the exams by 50%! When these cases come in we say, in med terms, "Now that is really bitchen, narl, who wants honors?"

Paul is Dead, I don't think you need to meet my pharmacist. Yours already seems to be taking care of you nicely.


JW, thanks so much for the tips on using the Explorer. Thanks to Charles as well for the info. I will definitely try some of these settings when I can go detecting next.

 

[JW]

I think he gets it, sounds like a pretty cool guy with a real funny sense of humor. I personally though that whole back and forth was a hoot.

 

[Rusted_Iron]

U -2

I hope you know it is all in jest. If not, I can recommend someone...

I realize it's all in fun. Though if you want to see some real silliness, wait until I try typin' when I'm half asleep.

I've got something else to give you a chuckle, we were talking about Explorers... so I took out the Minelab out today and started tackling the rather steep learning curve. The first coin I found with it was a 1944 wheat cent, but that was beginner's luck. What happened next was more typical for the day...

I got a signal that sounded pretty good on the Explorer (and later, on the Tejon too). I started the hole after I got the signal w/ the Explorer, and my lack of experience at pinpointing w/ a DD coil gave me a hole that was 18 inches deep and 4 inches off the center of the target. I thought it was still down in there. It started to get dark. I went and got the headlamp. I just kept digging and digging. I finally gave up messing with the Exp and got out the Tejon. The target turned out to be an old, rusty square nail that was about 7 inches deep, in the side of the hole. Talk about feeling dumb.

The area I was hunting has memorial cents as much as 4 to 5 inches deep. I also found some muzzleloader bullets that I myself had dropped 15+ years ago. They were a good 3 inches down. If there are any really old coins there, I hate to think of how deep they might be. I did find a rusty iron "whatsit" about 10 inches deep with my Tiger Shark in the same area. It's a big thing, about the size of a trivet. I'd guess it to be 100+ years old, quite reasonable for the history of the area.

 

[JW]

On the Exploder you have to do the cross pinpoint method or you can be as much as 10" off the target. Once you get that down (which shouldn't take too long) pinpointing will be a snap and in most cases not even needed.

Do you have a Sunray X-1 for that bad boy? Its is the best target recovery probe I have used and you get all the tones and you can pinpoint with it as well. On surface & shallow clad I find the gereral area and then use the probe to narrow it down, it goes nearly 3" at SENS 24, makes those deep targets a snap.

If I find a deepie I plug close to the correct depth and determine if it is iron or not with the probe, then go from there. Speeds target recovery by 2x! And you can hunt at night without any light except for the Exp's backlight! 90% of my hunting is done after dark, if it wasn't for the probe I would probably only hunt during the day... Can't say enough good things about it!

 

[zootman]

Relly,who cares? As long as theres something IN THE HOLE! Why waste time measuring when youcould be swinging the coil.
Zoot

 

[Monty]

Gab', I have rechargeables but I don't particularly like them. They don't last nearly as long as the alkalines (about 10 hrs vs 20 hours) and won't hold a charge when not in use. Monty

 

[mxtswinger]

I can say with all honesty that I have pulled some deep coins with my Minelab Explorer XS. The deepest coin signals have been around 10-11" so far and have generally been deep wheats or IH pennies. The silver in this area generally gives off such an amazing sound that it was all dug up 30 years ago when it was a few inches closer to the surface.

I also use the 15" WOT, which is a big reason why I can get such depth. Also, the deep signals are very iffy and don't come right out and say "I am a penny, dig me!" I have dug quite a few old wheat and indians at about 6-8" deep that also had a nail or piece of iron laying in the hole with it.

I have also detected side by side lots of other detectors and they always ask me to show them a deep signal when I find them. I've seen fisher1266, whitesmxt, and several others not be able to get a signal out of a deep coin that was coming up clear as day to me.

The park that I hunt are on the 'verge' of being hunted out. The only old comes to come out of there in the past few years have been with minelab explorers.... By old I mean barbers, indians, etc... and those coins are rarely found 6" deep... they are usually in the 8" and up category. I also find several wheats out there from time to time in the 6" range, and these are older wheats.

The only exceptions where I have found shallow coins that were old were on sled hills. I have found an 1890 IH penny at 1" deep on a hill as well as a silver roosevelt.

As for Charles...... I believe 99.9% of what he says.... I have read all of his articles on his website and everytime I re-read them they offer me new insight to the Explorer. I would jump at the chance just to watch this guy hunt in person and compare signals with him.

As for non-minelab believers.... I LOVE you guys... it's you guy with the other detectors that leave the good, old stuff in the ground for us Explorer guys to find

Here are my OLD finds for the year so far: (Keep in mind that this is my first year with an explorer and I mostly hit hunted out parks)

140 Wheats
14 Indian Head Pennies
1 3-Cent Nickel
1 Silver War Nickel
2 Buffalo Nickels
1 Liberty V Nickel
4 Shield Nickels
8 Silver Rosies
13 Silver Mercurys
2 Barber Dimes
1 Seated Dime
5 Silver Washington Quarters
1 Walking Liberty Half
1 1730s King George II Copper Half Penny
1 1892 Candian Silver 5 cent (fish scale) about 5" down
1 1927 mexican bronze 5 centavos

That's 196 Old coins so far this year... and keep in mind that here in Indiana it was too cold to really hunt at all until Mid March.... so that's about 3 months of hunting....
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Sorry about this, I don't know how to do the quote thing yet.

Bsco- In regards to other detectors not being able to detect a signal you had found with the 15" WOT-

Were the other detectors also wearing 15" coils? Thanks

 

[Jeffro]

Out here in Oregon we get nowhere near the old coins you folks from back east get. Likewise, our soil is highly mineralized and loose. Oldest find to date was an 1848 Seated Dime at four inches in some hard packed dirt, which is rare. I can go out in my front yard and dig wheaties at 4 to 8 inches, and 1960's coins will be right down there with them, too.

Silver is incredibly rare out here, so far I've only found about 4 or 5 pieces out of literally thousands dug. But hey, I spend most of my time hunting clad in the parks for fun.

I don't think I've ever pulled a coin out at ten inches, eight is stretching it for our mineralization, hard to see through all that iron out here. When they were doing the sewer lines out by my folks place, they hit a layer of black sand 2 feet thick!

 

[BuckleBoy]

My God, part of me wishes I hadn't taken the time to read all of this lengthy, at times quite edgy post. Hahaha. But three cigarettes and two cups of coffee later, I feel like I should at least respond. I have a Fisher 1266-X, and I have found deep coins with it, although most of my finds are less than 6 inches deep. I have had the machine for 15 years, and I know it well. when I get a questionable target, I spend some time circling around to see how it responds at different angles. If in doubt, I always dig it. I have found an 1854 half dime at 7 inches and a flying eagle cent and an Indian head or two at closer to 9 inches. I think it is a question of the soil type in your area (most of my finds in KY were shallower than the ones in Virginia listed above). I found an 1853 half dollar at almost a foot, but that's a half dollar. If your machine has any trouble finding one of those you need to think about a trade-in. Otherwise, I don't participate in the "my detector's bigger/better/newer than yours" squabble because I wouldn't trade in my 1266-X for the world. Her and I have a long and exciting relationship. So, the second factor is: know your machine. The third one is this: low discrimination. All of my deep finds I worked for. Hell, all of the gold I've found I worked hard for too. I'm not afraid to spend the day digging questionable targets. Good luck folks.

 

[Gabbit]

Gab', I have rechargeables but I don't particularly like them. They don't last nearly as long as the alkalines (about 10 hrs vs 20 hours) and won't hold a charge when not in use. Monty

Monty with as much detecting as you do you really need to get some rechargables -- 2 sets will cost less than 20 bucks and last for years -- I use the ex2 uses 8 batteries and 2000 MAH will last about 8 hours or so -- enough for a full day of detecting. I always carry a backup set. You might be using nickel cadium rechargables, which have cell memory. (not good and outdated rechargables) Spending 4 bucks for a pack of 4 batteries adds up pretty quick.

 

[bazinga]

I can say with all honesty that I have pulled some deep coins with my Minelab Explorer XS. The deepest coin signals have been around 10-11" so far and have generally been deep wheats or IH pennies. The silver in this area generally gives off such an amazing sound that it was all dug up 30 years ago when it was a few inches closer to the surface.

I also use the 15" WOT, which is a big reason why I can get such depth. Also, the deep signals are very iffy and don't come right out and say "I am a penny, dig me!" I have dug quite a few old wheat and indians at about 6-8" deep that also had a nail or piece of iron laying in the hole with it.

I have also detected side by side lots of other detectors and they always ask me to show them a deep signal when I find them. I've seen fisher1266, whitesmxt, and several others not be able to get a signal out of a deep coin that was coming up clear as day to me.

The park that I hunt are on the 'verge' of being hunted out. The only old comes to come out of there in the past few years have been with minelab explorers.... By old I mean barbers, indians, etc... and those coins are rarely found 6" deep... they are usually in the 8" and up category. I also find several wheats out there from time to time in the 6" range, and these are older wheats.

The only exceptions where I have found shallow coins that were old were on sled hills. I have found an 1890 IH penny at 1" deep on a hill as well as a silver roosevelt.

As for Charles...... I believe 99.9% of what he says.... I have read all of his articles on his website and everytime I re-read them they offer me new insight to the Explorer. I would jump at the chance just to watch this guy hunt in person and compare signals with him.

As for non-minelab believers.... I LOVE you guys... it's you guy with the other detectors that leave the good, old stuff in the ground for us Explorer guys to find

Here are my OLD finds for the year so far: (Keep in mind that this is my first year with an explorer and I mostly hit hunted out parks)

140 Wheats
14 Indian Head Pennies
1 3-Cent Nickel
1 Silver War Nickel
2 Buffalo Nickels
1 Liberty V Nickel
4 Shield Nickels
8 Silver Rosies
13 Silver Mercurys
2 Barber Dimes
1 Seated Dime
5 Silver Washington Quarters
1 Walking Liberty Half
1 1730s King George II Copper Half Penny
1 1892 Candian Silver 5 cent (fish scale) about 5" down
1 1927 mexican bronze 5 centavos

That's 196 Old coins so far this year... and keep in mind that here in Indiana it was too cold to really hunt at all until Mid March.... so that's about 3 months of hunting....
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Sorry about this, I don't know how to do the quote thing yet.

Bsco- In regards to other detectors not being able to detect a signal you had found with the 15" WOT-

Were the other detectors also wearing 15" coils? Thanks

No they weren't, but their machines also don't have 15" coils made for them either.

 

[ZumbroKid]

Michigan Badger says the coins are only 3-4 inches deep. But when was the last time he posted an old one? Later all.

 

[Cannonman17]

Most everything I find is 6" or less... probably 4" or less really... but then, one day, I'm detecting my sisiters front yard, was having a good day, had found a 43 quarter and 43 merc. I had my nephews following me around arguing who got to dig the next signal (doesn't get any better than that) THEN IT HAPPENED: I got an ordinary signal, it was something like a penny in the 6" deep range. So extrodinarly ordinary that I honestly don't remember exactly what it said. I go about my business and several minutes later I go back to my nephew who is still kneeling by the hole digging away.. I see how deep he is and figure the coin is out by now, he just missed it. So I sweep the dirt pile..Nothing.. I sweep the hole (at this time about 8") and bingo... now a much stronger signal, bouncing a little bit but like a low dime... hmmm...that deep... the very next scoop of his hand (moist sandy soil) brings out a seated liberty half dime.. WOW what the!! I figure that little half dime was about 9" deep. Strange how it registered goofy like that though.. sorry, suppose that was not appropriate..this post is about coins 10" or more.. oooops

 

[Rusted_Iron]

Michigan Badger says the coins are only 3-4 inches deep. But when was the last time he posted an old one? Later all.

Badger's posts are mostly iron relics, because that's what he likes. I know he's found old coins, he just doesn't put the pics up. That's not to say there aren't old coins deeper than he finds 'em.

I could take you to a place where I'm pretty sure the old coins are 12" deep or more, based on the depths at which I'm finding early nails.