Deep coins.....10 inches or more??

[1235CE]

O.K., question.....I have a Whites XLT my brother has a DFX....We have been detecting very regularly for 7 years and we live on the Mass/NY line.... Our detectors are considered by many to be top of the line and we each have found thousands of old coins. Neither of us has EVER found a coin deeper than 6 inches and when we do find coins in that range they are most always from the 1700's/early 1800's; copper or silver.

Here is an example of my depth ranges and what comes out of the ground here at certain depths.

clad/new coins = 0 inches to 1 inch
wheat cents = 1-2 inches
Indian heads = 2-3 inches
large cents = 3-4 inches
Colonials = 3-6 inches
shield/V/Buff/Jeff nickels = 1-4 inches
Roosie silver dime = 2 inches
Merc dime = 2 inches
Barber dime = 2-3 inches
seated dime = 3-4 inches
Bust dime = 4-6 inches
half dimes = 3-5 inches
silver Washington quarter = 2 inches
Standing Lib quarter = 2-3 inches
Barber quarter = 3 inches
seated quarter = 3-4 inches
Bust quarter = 4-6 inches
Kennedy/Franklin/Walking halves 1-3 inches
Barber halves = 3-4 inches
Seated halves = 4 inches
Bust halves = 4-6 inches
dollars (have 3 Peace, 1 Morgan) = 2-3 inches
2 cent pieces = 2-4 inches
3 cent pieces = 3-5 inches

Of course, there are exceptions (like a 1787 Fugio Cent at 1 inch and a 1963 Roosie at 6 inches....go figure)

I am always reading that people are recovering coins at 10+ inches and quite honestly, I don't think our detectors even go that deep....it makes me wonder if people are mis-reading their depths or they have very soft soil in their neck of the woods.

Now I'm not saying we don't miss any coins because I'm sure that we do but if we are finding all of these coins at these depths what could we possibly be missing?


Beep, beep and be deep (but not over 6 inches because we'll miss it )

HH all
Greg

 

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[Michigan Badger]

i think i will try the true all metal mode for the next couple of weeks and dig everything, just to see if my luck changes after draining every available inch out of my gti 2500.

I know you've got depth on your mind right now but sometime just try hunting with minumum discrimination. There's a trick to it but you'll learn.

If you do this and learn HOW to do it well, here's what you'll be finding (you get the whole package):

1) pulltabs
2) bottle caps
3) screw caps
4) foil
5) square nails
6) iron junk
7) iron relics (tools, toys, guns, etc.)
8) various unknown non-ferrous items
9) old copper coins
10) cheap jewelry
11) antique jewelry
12) solid GOLD

Maybe none of this sounds good to you? It's all or nothing.

 

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[hollowpointred]

for the last six months or so ive been only using enough discrim to block out iron targets, but i havent noticed an increase in good finds.(or deep targets for that matter). im kinda getting frustrated that i dont seem to be getting any better results with the 2500 than i did with the ace 250. either im not understanding what the machine is telling me, or it is not all that it is cracked up to be. i would tend to believe that its the first reason, since common sense would say that a machine with the capabilities of the 2500, should be able to out perform a machine with the 250s capabilities. it just has to be something i am doing (or not doing). if i dont have some kind of break through with this machine in a few more months, i might have to start looking for something else..........so far im not real impressed.

 

[Michigan Badger]

im kinda getting frustrated that i dont seem to be getting any better results with the 2500 than i did with the ace 250.

I don't know your area, but assuming the stuff is there, the 2500 should have no problem finding it. In fact, you should have found some good stuff with the Ace.

My next machine will be the Nautilus DMC IIB. I've been doing some serious checking on it and I really like what I'm hearing!

Good hunting good buddy!

 

[Gabbit]

I come across a lot of clad that I dig because I can't tell the age of the coin ahead of time, and it keeps me in battery money.

Monty -- don't tell me you haven't switched over to rechargables

 

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

And of all of you self involved players here, a question was brought up by a newbie(?) What does WOT mean...

This was a name coined by one of the early testers of Coiltek's 15 inch double D coil. Its short for Wonderful Orange Thing hence the coil is a rust colored orange.

 

[Rusted_Iron]

And of all of you self involved players here, a question was brought up by a newbie(?) What does WOT mean...

This was a name coined by one of the early testers of Coiltek's 15 inch double D coil. Its short for Wonderful Orange Thing hence the coil is a rust colored orange.

Thanks for the response. Wonderful Orange Thing is something I wouldn't have figured out in a million years! I was thinking Widescan-something-or-other, but couldn't figure out the O and T.

 

[Michigan Badger]

Hey thanks Charles! You made my day!

I was told it was really supposed to be WOTS (Willie's Outhouse Toilet Seat). But I figured out that the confusion was due to how some folks spell...you know "I use the WOTS coil" etc., that sort of thing.

Okay, I feel better about the whole thing now.

Great coil!

 

[hollowpointred]

im kinda getting frustrated that i dont seem to be getting any better results with the 2500 than i did with the ace 250.

I don't know your area, but assuming the stuff is there, the 2500 should have no problem finding it. In fact, you should have found some good stuff with the Ace.

My next machine will be the Nautilus DMC IIB. I've been doing some serious checking on it and I really like what I'm hearing!

Good hunting good buddy!

i did find some good stuff with the ace badge! not a ton of good stuff but in the first year i dug about 13 silvers (one a half reale) a large cent, a connecticut copper, not too shabby. i have found good stuff with the 2500 too, 2 large cents, a silver quarter,some jewelry.........its just that all of these targets have been in the 4 inches or shallower range, with both machines. i would have thought that i would have seen some deep finds by now with the 2500, but that isnt how things have turned out.in fact i dont notice any increase in depth at all over the ace 250. its a bit puzzling im pretty sure the machine is functioning the way its supposed to. like i said, its either my fault not recognizing the deep hits or the machine isnt getting superior depth.

 

[1235CE]

Great, great posts all......O.K. ...since I apparently cannot let a sleeping dog lie........do most of you folks sell your finds like Charles......I, for one, really enjoy having new company or friends over the house and show them what I have found and tell different stories attached to them.......much better than refering to an E-bay feedback rating in my opinion......yes?

Beep, beep and be deep.....

HH all
Greg

 

[jeff of pa]

I Don't go out of my way to sell coins.
However when Someone Asks to Buy,
I usualy do.

The Nice thing is, I know I'll eventually find another.

I'm more intrested in creating a Type set of Every U.S. coin.
so once I'v found one, the rest are Fare-Game

 

[Little Bird]

Depth of coins do vary over the country. An example of this is the story by BK on the park all thoughtwas hunted out. After being shaved down many old coins were still several inches down. The reason some folks get these deep coins is not so much the detector they use, but most likely experience combine with a degree of skill. Instead of critizing ones claims of depth of their finds, ask them for help.

 

[Michigan Badger]

i did find some good stuff with the ace badge! not a ton of good stuff but in the first year i dug about 13 silvers (one a half reale) a large cent, a connecticut copper, not too shabby. i have found good stuff with the 2500 too, 2 large cents, a silver quarter,some jewelry.........its just that all of these targets have been in the 4 inches or shallower range, with both machines. i would have thought that i would have seen some deep finds by now with the 2500, but that isnt how things have turned out.in fact i dont notice any increase in depth at all over the ace 250. its a bit puzzling im pretty sure the machine is functioning the way its supposed to. like i said, its either my fault not recognizing the deep hits or the machine isnt getting superior depth.

Okay, I didn't follow all your posts and we have so many on here it's difficult to remember who got what.

The 2500 has been used in the UK with great success for ultra deep coins/relics in plowed fields so it goes deep. Just email gary's detectors in the UK and he'll give you all this info.

If you're finding large cents (known to be deep) at like 4 inches maybe that's the depth range for most coins in your area. The only way I can find any coin deeper than 5 inches in this state is I have to find someplace that has experienced filling either natural or man made. I dug a 1865 Indian a couple days ago at about 2 inches (more like 1 and 1 /12 inch). I can take my DeLeon to an old park that was leveled and filled in the 60's and dig wheats all day at 5 to 8 inches deep. With the DeLeon an 9 inch deep 1940 corroded wheat in wet black dirt sounds more like a beer can at 2 inches.

Don't you have any landfill sites where you can test your 2500? Just find a filled yard or park and if you can hit a pulltab at 7 or 8 inches you can find that 7 to 12 inch deep mysterious sea of old coins some claim is down there...LOL!

But for me, if I lived in your area I'd just continue to settle for mere large cents, reales, and all that at a humbling 4 inches

 

[Little Bird]

Hello me Michigan brother! I see them folks have not learned to tangle with a badger.

 

[bazinga]

I can say with all honesty that I have pulled some deep coins with my Minelab Explorer XS. The deepest coin signals have been around 10-11" so far and have generally been deep wheats or IH pennies. The silver in this area generally gives off such an amazing sound that it was all dug up 30 years ago when it was a few inches closer to the surface.

I also use the 15" WOT, which is a big reason why I can get such depth. Also, the deep signals are very iffy and don't come right out and say "I am a penny, dig me!" I have dug quite a few old wheat and indians at about 6-8" deep that also had a nail or piece of iron laying in the hole with it.

I have also detected side by side lots of other detectors and they always ask me to show them a deep signal when I find them. I've seen fisher1266, whitesmxt, and several others not be able to get a signal out of a deep coin that was coming up clear as day to me.

The park that I hunt are on the 'verge' of being hunted out. The only old comes to come out of there in the past few years have been with minelab explorers.... By old I mean barbers, indians, etc... and those coins are rarely found 6" deep... they are usually in the 8" and up category. I also find several wheats out there from time to time in the 6" range, and these are older wheats.

The only exceptions where I have found shallow coins that were old were on sled hills. I have found an 1890 IH penny at 1" deep on a hill as well as a silver roosevelt.

As for Charles...... I believe 99.9% of what he says.... I have read all of his articles on his website and everytime I re-read them they offer me new insight to the Explorer. I would jump at the chance just to watch this guy hunt in person and compare signals with him.

As for non-minelab believers.... I LOVE you guys... it's you guy with the other detectors that leave the good, old stuff in the ground for us Explorer guys to find

Here are my OLD finds for the year so far: (Keep in mind that this is my first year with an explorer and I mostly hit hunted out parks)

140 Wheats
14 Indian Head Pennies
1 3-Cent Nickel
1 Silver War Nickel
2 Buffalo Nickels
1 Liberty V Nickel
4 Shield Nickels
8 Silver Rosies
13 Silver Mercurys
2 Barber Dimes
1 Seated Dime
5 Silver Washington Quarters
1 Walking Liberty Half
1 1730s King George II Copper Half Penny
1 1892 Candian Silver 5 cent (fish scale) about 5" down
1 1927 mexican bronze 5 centavos

That's 196 Old coins so far this year... and keep in mind that here in Indiana it was too cold to really hunt at all until Mid March.... so that's about 3 months of hunting....

 

[EDDE]

i pegged a barber dime at 8 with my troy with a DD...(1908) sorry I'm terrible at articulating tech stuff or complex phrasing being dyslexic has disadvantages...i know i want a ML tho even before i got my troy but got troy's instead....go figure....time to start EBAYing stuff

 

[hollowpointred]

im kinda getting frustrated that i dont seem to be getting any better results with the 2500 than i did with the ace 250.

i did find some good stuff with the ace badge! not a ton of good stuff but in the first year i dug about 13 silvers (one a half reale) a large cent, a connecticut copper, not too shabby. i have found good stuff with the 2500 too, 2 large cents, a silver quarter,some jewelry.........its just that all of these targets have been in the 4 inches or shallower range, with both machines. i would have thought that i would have seen some deep finds by now with the 2500, but that isnt how things have turned out.in fact i dont notice any increase in depth at all over the ace 250. its a bit puzzling im pretty sure the machine is functioning the way its supposed to. like i said, its either my fault not recognizing the deep hits or the machine isnt getting superior depth.

Don't you have any landfill sites where you can test your 2500? Just find a filled yard or park and if you can hit a pulltab at 7 or 8 inches you can find that 7 to 12 inch deep mysterious sea of old coins some claim is down there...LOL! but for me, if I lived in your area I'd just continue to settle for mere large cents, reales, and all that at a humbling 4 inches

haha!! yeah, im gettin kinda tired of those reales and large cents!! haha .........you know what i mean badge! where are the deepies im pretty sure it has more to do with me learning what deep ones sound like on this thing. i have read on the internet that this machine is a little different than other machines in the way it behaves, so maybe its just a learning curve thing,.......learning the quirks so to speak.

As for non-minelab believers.... I LOVE you guys... it's you guy with the other detectors that leave the good, old stuff in the ground for us Explorer guys to find



....

i starting to believe you bsco!!! lol! an explorer was my first choice when i was detector shopping but i was seduced by the gti 2500 cause it looked easier to understand and the deal i got on it was awesome. a carry bag, a 12.5 inch coil, a 9.5 inch coil, headphones, and a bunch of other goodies for about $800. maybe i should have held out a little longer. i can always sell it i suppose.

 

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

i starting to believe you bsco!!! lol! an explorer was my first choice when i was detector shopping but i was seduced by the gti 2500 cause it looked easier to understand and the deal i got on it was awesome. a carry bag, a 12.5 inch coil, a 9.5 inch coil, headphones, and a bunch of other goodies for about $800. maybe i should have held out a little longer. i can always sell it i suppose.

Stick with the 2500 Hollowpoint, to reach the deep ones we Explorer/Quattro hunters need throngs of Garrett and other brand machines swinging to keep the clad cleared out of our way.

Charles

PS: On a serious note regarding deep coins. In my area coins are as deep as 12 inches that I know of because I have dug them that deep however....I have found there are far, far, far more old coins in the 5-8 in range that are simply hiding in the shaddow of iron and trash. I'd estimate the ratio at most of my sites to be 8 to 1 in favor of the more shallow masked coins. These signals can be tricky and are easy to miss if one is moving too quickly. The sink hole park is really the only exception to this rule, everything is deep over there.

The 1864 IH and two cent I just dug Tuesday? Both about 5 inches max hiding right in the middle of a trash heap of rusty bottle caps, iron, and pull tabs. Actually that is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about. The coins on the slopes of the bandstand are shallow, the ones down on the flat area around it are quite deep, its a soggy bog of sorts and there is less trash. That night I spent about an hour in each area as I gridded up and down the bandstand. Deep coins zero, shallow coins in trash 3.

Work on your technique for hunting those masked coins and I bet your coin count will go up. You don't cover much ground, not nearly as much. I used to cover maybe 400 yards a hunt with my WOT, I barely cover 50 with a small coil picking through the trash and iron in the same amount of time but I find more coins. Just something to think about. Explorer users don't be afraid to try the Minelab 8 inch coil. I have hunted spots clean with the stock coil, or have been skunked altogether that gave up a shocking number of coins with the 8 inch.

Big coils will get deep targets the small coils can't reach. I have had good signals on my WOT that other Explorers with the stock coil ID's as iron. But the reverse is also true, the small coils will often lock onto a masked coin the larger coils can't. When I come across a masked coin (which is quite often these days as the easier signals have been dug at this point) I spend a fair bit of time circling and examining the mask. Then scanning the surounding area after I dig to see where the iron and trash were in relation to the coin. Its an eye opener how far out iron or a more shallow piece of trash can cast a masking signal.

Just some thoughts.

 

[Little Bird]

I agree the ones finding shallow old coins are hunting too fast. They need to slow down, back to the basics.

 

[bazinga]

i starting to believe you bsco!!! lol! an explorer was my first choice when i was detector shopping but i was seduced by the gti 2500 cause it looked easier to understand and the deal i got on it was awesome. a carry bag, a 12.5 inch coil, a 9.5 inch coil, headphones, and a bunch of other goodies for about $800. maybe i should have held out a little longer. i can always sell it i suppose.

Stick with the 2500 Hollowpoint, to reach the deep ones we Explorer/Quattro hunters need throngs of Garrett and other brand machines swinging to keep the clad cleared out of our way.

Charles

PS: On a serious note regarding deep coins. In my area coins are as deep as 12 inches that I know of because I have dug them that deep however....I have found there are far, far, far more old coins in the 5-8 in range that are simply hiding in the shaddow of iron and trash. I'd estimate the ratio at most of my sites to be 8 to 1 in favor of the more shallow masked coins. These signals can be tricky and are easy to miss if one is moving too quickly. The sink hole park is really the only exception to this rule, everything is deep over there.

The 1864 IH and two cent I just dug Tuesday? Both about 5 inches max hiding right in the middle of a trash heap of rusty bottle caps, iron, and pull tabs. Actually that is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about. The coins on the slopes of the bandstand are shallow, the ones down on the flat area around it are quite deep, its a soggy bog of sorts and there is less trash. That night I spent about an hour in each area as I gridded up and down the bandstand. Deep coins zero, shallow coins in trash 3.

Work on your technique for hunting those masked coins and I bet your coin count will go up. You don't cover much ground, not nearly as much. I used to cover maybe 400 yards a hunt with my WOT, I barely cover 50 with a small coil picking through the trash and iron in the same amount of time but I find more coins. Just something to think about. Explorer users don't be afraid to try the Minelab 8 inch coil. I have hunted spots clean with the stock coil, or have been skunked altogether that gave up a shocking number of coins with the 8 inch.

Big coils will get deep targets the small coils can't reach. I have had good signals on my WOT that other Explorers with the stock coil ID's as iron. But the reverse is also true, the small coils will often lock onto a masked coin the larger coils can't. When I come across a masked coin (which is quite often these days as the easier signals have been dug at this point) I spend a fair bit of time circling and examining the mask. Then scanning the surounding area after I dig to see where the iron and trash were in relation to the coin. Its an eye opener how far out iron or a more shallow piece of trash can cast a masking signal.

Just some thoughts.

I agree completely with using a smaller coil for some sites. In the parks around here the coins seem to almost completely gone unless you go deeper than 6". But if you go to a house site the deepest coins are usually 6" or less. It just depends on where you are hunting, how much fill dirt is there, how much the ground has been moved around, etc.

Just as soon as I think I have an area hunted out with the WOT, I bust out the stock coil and pull out a few more coins. Then I generally bring out the smaller Joey coil and can usually squeak out a few more coins that the bigger coils can't lock on to.

Keep up the great posts Charles and stick around here

 

[hollowpointred]

i starting to believe you bsco!!! lol! an explorer was my first choice when i was detector shopping but i was seduced by the gti 2500 cause it looked easier to understand and the deal i got on it was awesome. a carry bag, a 12.5 inch coil, a 9.5 inch coil, headphones, and a bunch of other goodies for about $800. maybe i should have held out a little longer. i can always sell it i suppose.

Stick with the 2500 Hollowpoint, to reach the deep ones we Explorer/Quattro hunters need throngs of Garrett and other brand machines swinging to keep the clad cleared out of our way.

Charles

PS: On a serious note regarding deep coins. In my area coins are as deep as 12 inches that I know of because I have dug them that deep however....I have found there are far, far, far more old coins in the 5-8 in range that are simply hiding in the shaddow of iron and trash. I'd estimate the ratio at most of my sites to be 8 to 1 in favor of the more shallow masked coins. These signals can be tricky and are easy to miss if one is moving too quickly. The sink hole park is really the only exception to this rule, everything is deep over there.

The 1864 IH and two cent I just dug Tuesday? Both about 5 inches max hiding right in the middle of a trash heap of rusty bottle caps, iron, and pull tabs. Actually that is a pretty good example of what I'm talking about. The coins on the slopes of the bandstand are shallow, the ones down on the flat area around it are quite deep, its a soggy bog of sorts and there is less trash. That night I spent about an hour in each area as I gridded up and down the bandstand. Deep coins zero, shallow coins in trash 3.

Work on your technique for hunting those masked coins and I bet your coin count will go up. You don't cover much ground, not nearly as much. I used to cover maybe 400 yards a hunt with my WOT, I barely cover 50 with a small coil picking through the trash and iron in the same amount of time but I find more coins. Just something to think about. Explorer users don't be afraid to try the Minelab 8 inch coil. I have hunted spots clean with the stock coil, or have been skunked altogether that gave up a shocking number of coins with the 8 inch.

Big coils will get deep targets the small coils can't reach. I have had good signals on my WOT that other Explorers with the stock coil ID's as iron. But the reverse is also true, the small coils will often lock onto a masked coin the larger coils can't. When I come across a masked coin (which is quite often these days as the easier signals have been dug at this point) I spend a fair bit of time circling and examining the mask. Then scanning the surounding area after I dig to see where the iron and trash were in relation to the coin. Its an eye opener how far out iron or a more shallow piece of trash can cast a masking signal.

Just some thoughts.

lol

I agree the ones finding shallow old coins are hunting too fast. They need to slow down, back to the basics.

hmmmm...... maybe you are on to something....................(you seem strangely familiar! )