CONFEDERATE GOLD IN DANVILLE, VA.

[Honest Samuel]

What happen to Confederal Deserters when they got caught?

 

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[William the Conqueror]

I don't really know, go back to the fight,put in jail or be shot or worse!

 

[Honest Samuel]

Dunno...

I Dunno either. When you find out let us know.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I Dunno either. When you find out let us know.

Nah... don't CARE!

 

[Honest Samuel]

But, we CARE'

 

[William the Conqueror]

Yeah, It really doesn't matter. It doesn't have anything to do with the supposedly treasure, which I believe is buried in Danville, but not in a graveyard.

 

[ECS]

What happen to Confederal Deserters when they got caught?

THE 1861 CONFEDERATE ARTICLES OF WAR state:
"All officers and soldiers who have received pay, or have been duly enlisted in the services of the Confederate States, and shall be convicted of having deserted the same, shall suffer death".
'Nuff Said!

 

[ECS]

In the Richmond Daily Dispatch, February 13, 1864, lists Samuel McCubbin as Confederate Chief of Police in Richmond, involved in the arrest of Richmond embalmer, who, for a price, was aiding Confederate deserters escape to the North.
Other news articles in the Richmond Daily Dispatch and Richmond Sentinel which contains the same story-
www.bluegreyreview.com/2014/02/14/stung-on-the-underground-railroad/

From February 1864 to April 2, 1865 have several articles of McCubbin's duties as either Chief of Police or Captain of Police, rounding up Confederate deserters and returning them to their units or to the gallows.
McCubbin is never referred to as "Provost Marshall and high member of the KGC" in these newspapers, nor is that McCubbin "took $8 Million in gold specie by train out of Richmond"

Then McCubbin is mention in that Monday May 1, 1865 NEW YORK TIMES article reporting to the Union Provost Marshall of Richmond on the Saturday before, interrogated of his activities which involved chasing deserters up until Lee's surrender.
Without proof of an actual newspaper article, with all the jumbled information, this McCubbin treasure story has the appearance of originating from a pulp treasure magazine that mentions "according to a April 1865 newspaper article" as its source for the story.

May 6, 1865 NEW YORK TIMES:
"McCubbin left Richmond on Sunday, April 2, in charge of the treasure which the rebel Secretary Trenholm had reserved for any emergency that might arise.
He left Jeff Davis Trenholm, Benjamin, with Extra Billy Smith and a host of other leading Confederates at Greensboro, NC.
They were detained at Greensboro three days. and during that time they ate, drank, and slept in the cars, as the inhabitants refused to allow them to enter their dwellings, fearing they might be held responsible for harboring rebels"
On the front page of the RACINE JOURNAL-Wednesday, May 10, 1865 an additional article appears. also mentioning that "McCubbin has surrendered himself"
http://rememberinglincoln.fords.org/sites/default/files/Lincoln Assassination.pdf

What the above newspaper articles prove is that the alleged April 1865 Southern newspaper article is a total rewritten embellishment of the Confederate Treasury train and the flight of Davis and his Cabinet.

 

[Honest Samuel]

THE 1861 CONFEDERATE AETICLES OF WAR state:
"All officers and soldiers who have received pay, or have been duly enlisted in the services of the Confederate States, and shall be convicted of having deserted the same, shall suffer death".
'Nuff Said!

That is enough reason not to desert. Many did and got away with it.

 

[ECS]

So ECS, just because I do not post what you want does not mean that I do not have it.
Second, since you say you know where Sam McCubbin was those three days before President Jefferson Davis left Richmond-----------Post it.
Do you have where he was up until the 10th of April, 1865? Every day? ...

Please refer to POST# 408
What has been proven was that Sam McCubbin did not leave three days before President Jefferson Davis but with Davis and his Cabinet with the treasury train that contained NOT $8 Million in in gold specie, but documented $500,000 in gold and silver specie and bullion, $450,000 gold and silver coins in kegs from Virginia banks, one chest of donated jewelry, floor sweepings from the Dahlonega mint, British companies Acceptance Notes issued through the Bank of England worth 16-18 pounds sterling upon redemption, AND $600-700 Million face value Confederate paper currency worth ZERO -adding up to $950,250 in total CSA assets.
True, the train and McCubbin went south with Davis and Cabinet to Greensboro, NC,
As for being a "high member of the KGC" there is No record , but he did report to the Union Provost Marshall of Richmond the Saturday before May 1, 1865 for interrogation, and these transcripts still exist.
'Nuff Said!

 

[franklin]

ECS, I have a lot information I will not share with anyone. It is all documented. The Virginia Bank Gold left Richmond about the second to early third week of February. Eye witness account. Other trains left with other stores and other treasures after the meeting of President Jefferson Davis with General Robert E. Lee. Robert E. Lee suggested to President Davis that if and when they leave Richmond they should retire to Danville, Va. Other stores and treasures were moved west towards Tennessee. That May 1st article you keep quoting have you actually read all of it and pay attention to what you are reading. It says that the New Orleans Gold and the Virginia Bank Gold was rushed down to the depot with "hot haste." Now there may have been only $186,000 in Virginia Bank Gold because over $2 Million had already been taken South to Augusta, Georgia in February. But, the New Orleans Gold was $2.3 Million in gold coins contained in 57 kegs, that being 2,000 double eagles to the keg and there was three kegs of US Silver Coins. Another issue to think about is where were all of the treasury clerks when President Davis left Richmond on April 2, 1865? Walter Philbrook and his clerk performed the inventory and escorted the treasure to Danville. This was only what I would call contraband===useless treasures except for the "straw treasure" to maintain Richmond until the evacuation. When Davis wife and Trenholm's wife and others left Richmond three days before the Confederate Government vacated Richmond is when Sam McCubbin and all the treasury clerks left with the $8 Million in specie. You can believe the historians that do not know the truth. But I am telling you I do know.

 

[Honest Samuel]

Remember, the value of these coins were face value, worth far more today.

 

[William the Conqueror]

Alot of interesting material! There's more to this than I thought. The treasure sight is filling up fast! There's no telling what's actually buried! Even the confederate money has a little value, not much but some value.

 

[ECS]

So, post this alleged Southern newspaper complete with masthead that is dated April 1865 that states that McCubbin left Richmond three days before Davis with $8Million in gold species.
You always state that the professional historians are wrong along with everyone that provides actual documented evidence, but you never produce the evidence, like this alleged April 2,1865 newspaper.
Confederate records of Sam McCubbin's rounding up deserters up and forcing them back to their Richmond units to defend the city still exist, last entry, April 2, 1865, and McCubbin's testimony to Richmond's Union Provost Marshall of which THE NEW YORK TIMES and the RACINE JOURNAL used as reference for their articles, still exist.
Sam McCubbin provided the information in that testimony that he left with Davis and Cabinet on the treasury train and remained with them through Danville until Greensboro, NC.
The listed CSA treasury inventory on the flight train came from Confederate records.
If these records are wrong and historians do not know the truth that only you possess, its time to present the evidence that proves them all wrong.
"Nuff Said!

 

[William the Conqueror]

I'm ready to see this information, if it even exists? There's more to this story, than meets the eye. Anyone figured out any clues yet? I've posted a few. LOL

 

[franklin]

So, post this alleged Southern newspaper complete with masthead that is dated April 1865 that states that McCubbin left Richmond three days before Davis with $8Million in gold species.
You always state that the professional historians are wrong along with everyone that provides actual documented evidence, but you never produce the evidence, like this alleged April 2,1865 newspaper.
Confederate records of Sam McCubbin's rounding up deserters up and forcing them back to their Richmond units to defend the city still exist, last entry, April 2, 1865, and McCubbin's testimony to Richmond's Union Provost Marshall of which THE NEW YORK TIMES and the RACINE JOURNAL used as reference for their articles, still exist.
Sam McCubbin provided the information in that testimony that he left with Davis and Cabinet on the treasury train and remained with them through Danville until Greensboro, NC.
The listed CSA treasury inventory on the flight train came from Confederate records.
If these records are wrong and historians do not know the truth that only you possess, its time to present the evidence that proves them all wrong.
"Nuff Said!

I have a list of all people on the President's Train and on the Specie Train. Sam McCubbin is not listed. Let us see your list. I even have the name of some of the soldiers on top of the President's Train. They used the pipe from the stove in the President's Car to keep themselves warm.

 

[ECS]

I'm ready to see this information, if it even exists? ...

Franklin keeps claiming he has this information, but, as with the April 1865 newspaper with the alleged McCubbin story, he never produces anything that proves his endless claims of "but I know" and " will not share with anyone".
Does make one wonder if any of this information really exists beyond legend, lore, and tall tales or creative speculation.
Now he wants me to do his research for him by "showing my list", but I have already posted documented quotes, links, and information on where this information can be found for those who may desire further research, while Franklin continues to post unproven claims that only he claims to know.
"Nuff Said!

 

[Honest Samuel]

I believe Franklin who is a expert.

 

[ECS]

...
I have also contacted Brad Meltzer years ago after their arrival in Danville in 2010. All Brad Meltzer wants is his own fame and fortune.
I told him I knew where the treasures were buried and needed his help to get to the treasures. All he wanted was a stupid film for him to get famous...

Do any of you think, I would contact the Governor of Virginia, if I were not definitely positive about my research.
I have even contacted President Obama 4 times, Vice President Biden and even the President Obama's wife, the First Lady and White House Security.
Along with about every member of Congress and Senate, Treasury Department the Office of Land Management, the Veteran's Administration and the National Cemetery Administration. Name them I have been there.

Honestly, Samuel, you are among the minority, considering all the people, government agencies, and other organizations contacted by Franklin that definitely not positive about his presented "research".
Go out and buy copies of J Frank Carrol's "CONFEDERATE GOLD IN DANVILLE" and A J Hannah's "FLIGHT INTO OBLIVION" "novelized history" of Davis and the treasury train escape from the Union, and you too can become an "expert"

 

[franklin]

Honestly, Samuel, you are among the minority, considering all the people, government agencies, and other organizations contacted by Franklin that definitely not positive about his presented "research".
Go out and buy copies of J Frank Carrol's "CONFEDERATE GOLD IN DANVILLE" and A J Hannah's "FLIGHT INTO OBLIVION" "novelized history" of Davis and the treasury train escape from the Union, and you too can become an "expert"

ECS, Do you actually think I would contact the President of the United States and other dignitaries, if I considered my research not adequate? Contacting and revealing information is two different issues. Like you and I have made contact here on the forum but I have not shared my research with you. And I never will.