CLUES THAT MATCH MY SEARCH AREA

[Dirty Dutchman]

I first found a trough between a 1 foot wide rock wall and a taller bed rock wall with a gap between them of about 11 inches. The trough is 4 feet long and I'd say 18 inches deep. The brim of the wall rises up out of the ground an inch for a flat stone slab to lay on. The two cone shaped stacks of dressed rose quartz were shaped like the hat of the witch figure on the tablets. These stacks were about 8 feet apart as I remember, with the trough off to the side, yet in between their span. It was all so awesome that it scared me considerably as the experience felt like I had gone back in time with everything so untouched and intact like yesterday. I grabbed one palm sized stone from the pile closest to the cache site and left. Some of the family caught wind of it and the piles mysteriously were gone without a trace; Damn. Who can say?

The position of the two piles were corners 2 and 3 to enable one to shoot quads across them thus pointing out the location of the disguised portal. The caches I have walked over have all been in the same vein as the mine beyond.

Twisted Dork,

You didn't walk over any cache. At least not Waltz' or the Peraltas. The cache Waltz refers to is inside the covered, 12 foot deep shaft that leads to the lengthy vent that crops out at the bottom of the wash (just like the REAL picture I posted earlier). Remember, Waltz said you can't find the mine without finding the cache and vise versa.... SIMPLE STORY!
Stop trying to make it "mystical" dude....LOL
Travis

 

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[Twisted Fork]

Once again you are a victim of modern day hearsay. According to the early original rags that went around, there were two caches; a 10 thousand dollar cache and a 20 thousand dollar cache, near one of two camp sites. The site farthest inland from the mine and near a trickling spring. They took the smaller cache with them early on but the large cache sat there until Waltz's last trip into the mountains, years later.

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

Once again you are a victim of modern day hearsay. According to the early original rags that went around, there were two caches; a 10 thousand dollar cache and a 20 thousand dollar cache, near one of two camp sites. The site farthest inland from the mine and near a trickling spring. They took the smaller cache with them early on but the large cache sat there until Waltz's last trip into the mountains, years later.

Twisted Dork

Its actually too bad you're mind is gone. You would be an excellent fiction writer. Hahaha!!

The real victim here is you. You've probably spent years researching this subject with no luck. Now here comes along some new guy posting pictures of the real things you've been looking for all of these years....

It's obvious to us all now that you don't know much about this subject. When asked SIMPLE, straightforward questions, you start spitting out BS because you haven't figured it out..... Poor little guy....

But please, don't go away now. It's fun to keep watching you mix up, screw up, and make up your stories...bwahahaha!

Travis

 

[BT3]

Somehiker thanks for that info. Think it might have bee written in a earlier post that i missed. Dirty Dutch question, the only problem I would have with your clues is the tree one. You did say it was a different type tree that has been notched but why do you think it still fits. Or is it because the others work an this one might just be a fluke? Just curious about the time frames an age of the tree.

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

Somehiker thanks for that info. Think it might have bee written in a earlier post that i missed. Dirty Dutch question, the only problem I would have with your clues is the tree one. You did say it was a different type tree that has been notched but why do you think it still fits. Or is it because the others work an this one might just be a fluke? Just curious about the time frames an age of the tree.

BT3

It still fits because it's an old tree with a giant wedge cut out of it and the arm points up in the direction that it should. The tunnel I've found is just to the right of where the limb points. The limb is pointing to the actual shaft location.

It's my opinion that a writer added the species of tree to a story. For example,
"Dick Holmes climbed onto his trusted horse and rode away" ... OR
"Dick Holmes climbed onto his trusted Palamino and rode away"

Dick still rode away, on a horse. But now that horse has been given more description. False maybe, but the root truth still remains. Dick rode away on a horse.

Thanks
Travis

 

[DeerStalker]

DD, thanks for posting this thread. I'm just sorry it got hijacked. The MAJORITY of us following this post are following it to see what you are going to post. I truly hope that you have found the LD and I'd love to see pictures when you finally get a chance to bring up some of that gold! I know for certain reasons you wouldn't want to put pictures of a large vein, but maybe a few nuggets you've chipped from the wall.
I do have to say, though, that as serious as I've taken your posts about the mine, the one thing that has stuck in my head is "P.H.D. in douchebaggery". I still chuckle when I think of that one! lol
Good luck on your journey, I wish you well.

 

[lost]

Been following this Dutchman's thread for years, never posted until now. I feel the information you are providing us arm chair hunters too interesting for some dude to drive you away by switching topics. Please hang in there and keep up the info with whatever photo's you might want to share. We'll ignore the BS and adsorb your posts. I wish you all the success. Thanks Travis.

Wayland

 

[Some Dude]

DD, thanks for posting this thread. I'm just sorry it got hijacked. The MAJORITY of us following this post are following it to see what you are going to post. I truly hope that you have found the LD and I'd love to see pictures when you finally get a chance to bring up some of that gold! I know for certain reasons you wouldn't want to put pictures of a large vein, but maybe a few nuggets you've chipped from the wall.
I do have to say, though, that as serious as I've taken your posts about the mine, the one thing that has stuck in my head is "P.H.D. in douchebaggery". I still chuckle when I think of that one! lol
Good luck on your journey, I wish you well.

Indeed.

D.D > thanks for sharing your find with us. Not only has it been a fascinating read, it breathes new life into the Dutchman legend.

It’s a downright shame that a few people out there (you know who you are) think that they have to jump into the limelight whenever anyone else has something of merit. I suppose that there will always be some stupid kid who pees in the pool where the rest of us are swimming.

Some Dude

 

[Twisted Fork]

Flogging a dead horse sir. It would appear that one is sitting on a horse, even riding it, but anyone with a brain in their head and born before 1960 knows by the years of study that you have yet to even get your hands on anything to speak off other than more hearsay. We have core sampled the marker trees here in Utah because of all of the controversy over it and found that trees in the coldest, deepest snow and 7 months of it, do not always show a ring for that year as realized by some with history and a time line to register from.

By the way, this is what I would call things associated with Spanish/Mexican cache sites.......

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Things Associated...

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Toys or no toys, we can back up what we say here sir....And anywhere else the old boys went.

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

Twisted Dork

My what big guns you have.... LMAO

And nice rocks.... Give a few and I'll post a picture of the "rock" I found on the dirt spot where I think the shaft is located. Maybe it will help you so you know what to look for next time you're out.....

Travis

 

[Twisted Fork]

If your on what appears to be a lode, a stone in the shape of a man's head (some as if wearing a helmet) should be laying on the ground between 80 and 180 feet away from the concealed entry. It will be made from the same wall rock material where the head of the vein first began. This stone will look natural in wear, rather than torn from the rock. A chosen piece from outside of the tunnel but of the same characteristics in strata as underground.

Sounds like your ready for a double box detector. Cache Site? Anxious...


A few examples of ours.....

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A distant grandfather of mine. He found Carrie Shin Ob (The sacred Indian Mine, Ut.) back in the 1890s, the portal however eluded him as all the others who came looking before and since then. I realized the portal's location in the spring of 1972 at age 15, long before I found through my research, that grandpa had already been searching there so many years before me. Adams moved from Arizona to Utah County and walked the same streets as the good Dr..

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

All (and of course, Twisted Dork),

This is a rock specimen I found directly on top of the small dirt area on the side of the mountain that I believe the Lost Dutchman shaft is located on.

From what i've been told by the rockhounds i've shown this to, this is the solid, "milky looking" quartz that should be present when gold is around. The poruous edges on it are where the gold would seep into the voids. The quartz in these photos has a pink tint to it, but the porous parts are clearly a darker rose color.

The people that have seen this stone seem to be more impressed by the fact that it has been "picked" or broken (as you can tell by the sharp edge) out of another location than the one I found it in.

Travis


Twisted Dork,
All I carry is a little ol Sig 9, not much scares me..... A man that carries as big of a gun as you do, must be scared of everything........
(Oh, and if you look close, you can see some ACTUAL dust/dirt on it from the real Superstition mountains from my recent outing....)

 

[Twisted Fork]

Not to rain on your parade in all, but we have found auto pistols to be a negative in the wilderness because of the danger of someone getting shot as the gun finds it's way falling to the ground crossing ruff terrain or heavy foliage. We have 400 pound Mountain Lions all over the place here and as I was attacked by one back in 92'; nothing beats an AK47 strapped under the arm for quick handling and superb knock down; 30 rounds of knock down in a fast chopped down 0'6 if you will. A simple $30.00 dollar external attachment makes it full auto. Still, a little auto pistol can keep one warm and fuzzy when one does not wish to stand out.

The stone in your photo did not get there by itself for sure. It represents a dragon's tooth and is very simply a "taster or bite" from the lode. Probably pried from the wall underground in the vicinity coming near to where raw metal was first contacted in the shaft. Dragons fly straight up from their lairs. What they have done in this example is to draw you a final picture of what shapes to look for, surrounding the disguised entry location nearby, of course on a larger scale. You may even find this stone to represent a literal shrunken map of the area in question on your mountain.

The quartz I found in the piles in Arizona, was semi transparent pink glass about and 1 1/4 inches thick and redder around the edges. The edges themselves were caked with various forms of snow white curly quartz. Overall size and shape, same as that of a large redwood flowerbed chip. It mysteriously disappeared from the top of my dresser years ago.

Also, some of the tunnels we have encountered with a small boulder covering the mouth, have had a baseball sized nugget from the pay streak, stuffed under the right side of the boulder.

10x eyeglass here and don't be surprised if you see natural marks in the stone's surface, the same one's that can be found on paper treasure maps. Which came first, the paper or the rock? Fun Stuff.

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

No dude... It's not a dragons tooth, or a unicorn hoof, or any other BS crap....

Its a rock, busted out of a vein, by hand....SIMPLE...

When you say BS things like that, it undermines the fact that these things are real and someone could actually be on the right spot. That in itself should be exciting enough without having to bring some fake-ass story into it.

The REAL an SIMPLE story is exciting... Drop the bong and you might just learn something....

Travis

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

Not to rain on your parade in all, but we have found auto pistols to be a negative in the wilderness because of the danger of someone getting shot as the gun finds it's way falling to the ground crossing ruff terrain or heavy foliage. We have 400 pound Mountain Lions all over the place here and as I was attacked by one back in 92'; nothing beats an AK47 strapped under the arm for quick handling and superb knock down; 30 rounds of knock down in a fast chopped down 0'6 if you will. A simple $30.00 dollar external attachment makes it full auto. Still, a little auto pistol can keep one warm and fuzzy when one does not wish to stand out.

The stone in your photo did not get there by itself for sure. It represents a dragon's tooth and is very simply a "taster or bite" from the lode. Probably pried from the wall underground in the vicinity coming near to where raw metal was first contacted in the shaft. Dragons fly straight up from their lairs. What they have done in this example is to draw you a final picture of what shapes to look for, surrounding the disguised entry location nearby, of course on a larger scale. You may even find this stone to represent a literal shrunken map of the area in question on your mountain.

The quartz I found in the piles in Arizona, was semi transparent pink glass about and 1 1/4 inches thick and redder around the edges. The edges themselves were caked with various forms of snow white curly quartz. Overall size and shape, same as that of a large redwood flowerbed chip. It mysteriously disappeared from the top of my dresser years ago.

Also, some of the tunnels we have encountered with a small boulder covering the mouth, have had a baseball sized nugget from the pay streak, stuffed under the right side of the boulder.

10x eyeglass here and don't be surprised if you see natural marks in the stone's surface, the same one's that can be found on paper treasure maps. Which came first, the paper or the rock? Fun Stuff.

Heres another free tip for you Dork.... Don't drop your gun...
Have no fear, no ones gettin shot unless they do something stupid.....
People like you are a joke. Trying to scare people. You don't scare me Dork. And the difference between you and I..?.. I'll tell you to your face, if you ever show it....

Travis

 

[Twisted Fork]

That might work for the miner at heart here; you like many who approach the mines use that angle unsuccessfully. The Dons knew just how you think and just how to make you crazy as a loon.

The hard earned angles I share in this come from the works of dozens of superstitious Dons, their crews and resident monks of whom all travelled together on these dangerous fantastic journeys into the savage Apache Lands, in search of the Gold of the Thunder-Gods; All of which existed long before Waltz and Wiser. That's my choice of angles in this. Real maths plain and simple. They used the kind that gets the party of explorer/miners to and from the wilderness, under a life sustaining yet warped triangulation code of which they did not dare stray from. It worked so efficiently in the field so as the KGC adopted it with success that still has you convinced that you have found something, but really haven't. The idea is to keep you and the French busy for a lifetime of banging your head against the wall endlessly while the real treasure is right under your nose, but none of your business.

Growing up, these guys did not have T.V. or radio or magazines or anything else other than the stories and songs of legend as handed down to them by their forefathers. They all sought gold. The pictures in the tablets and the maps both, give an angle on the thought processes involved and the particular legend that the Don favoured to incorporate in his drawings. The base format in all of them is Dungeons and Dragons; Kings and their Castles; secret entrances, virgins (virgin ore) chained between two poles near the dragon's lair and an assortment of beasts that plague the superstitious mind.

Back in their time, superman was a Knight Templar and that is where the code originated; from real battle legends. Many mines were awaiting the go ahead from the crown to build forts and monasteries over the top of the richest of sites. Here in the new world, their first enemy was the French and afterwards the Mormons of whom killed the last of the visiting parties the natives let slip by. Their trying to tell you it's a shaft sir... 2 + 2 = 4

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

That might work for the miner at heart here; you like many who approach the mines use that angle unsuccessfully. The Dons knew just how you think and just how to make you crazy as a loon.

The hard earned angles I share in this come from the works of dozens of superstitious Dons, their crews and resident monks of whom all travelled together on these dangerous fantastic journeys into the savage Apache Lands, in search of the Gold of the Thunder-Gods; All of which existed long before Waltz and Wiser. That's my choice of angles in this. Real maths plain and simple. They used the kind that gets the party of explorer/miners to and from the wilderness, under a life sustaining yet warped triangulation code of which they did not dare stray from. It worked so efficiently in the field so as the KGC adopted it with success that still has you convinced that you have found something, but really haven't. The idea is to keep you and the French busy for a lifetime of banging your head against the wall endlessly while the real treasure is right under your nose, but none of your business.

Growing up, these guys did not have T.V. or radio or magazines or anything else other than the stories and songs of legend as handed down to them by their forefathers. They all sought gold. The pictures in the tablets and the maps both, give an angle on the thought processes involved and the particular legend that the Don favoured to incorporate in his drawings. The base format in all of them is Dungeons and Dragons; Kings and their Castles; secret entrances, virgins (virgin ore) chained between two poles near the dragon's lair and an assortment of beasts that plague the superstitious mind.

Back in their time, superman was a Knight Templar and that is where the code originated; from real battle legends. Many mines were awaiting the go ahead from the crown to build forts and monasteries over the top of the richest of sites. Here in the new world, their first enemy was the French and afterwards the Mormons of whom killed the last of the visiting parties the natives let slip by. Their trying to tell you it's a shaft sir... 2 + 2 = 4

Twisted Dork

Its actually funny at how complicated you've made this... LMAO... Such a simple story handed down from an honest man (unlike yourself) because he wanted his friends to find his mine. You are correct that the Peraltas mined first, and had many mines. Where you're wrong is, they're all located within a half mile of each other......

Stick around man, and you might learn something....

Travis

 

[Twisted Fork]

I bought my first 22 when I was 12 and it was for hunting small game on my trap line that I had established all on my own in the vast prairie that ran for 5 miles near my home. The thought of using a gun for anything else never entered my mind until I moved back to L.A. for 5 years. I am hung like a horse so guns don't play into the picture you have described.

You are already caught up in the first trap that the Dons set for you and that is to find that exact rock that you found and to then run back to town to dredge up the interest and capitol to start up the dig you have mentioned. When it doesn't pan out, you simply end up working a regular job back in town and spend quite some time in paying back the folks who are all at your throat to get their money back, not to mention the time spent in helping you to dig up your fantasy. Lucky if they don't hang you from that tree your so fond of. Meanwhile, your not out on the desert molesting the real mine. If it were still the 1800s, your first trap would have of course been the Apache and from there, false marked decoy trails that lead to no water and that run through scorpion nests, rattle snack herds and quicksand. Some trails will cripple your horse. You must be quite fond of the Peraltas by now and if not, you soon will be.

 

[Dirty Dutchman]

I bought my first 22 when I was 12 and it was for hunting small game on my trap line that I had established all on my own in the vast prairie that ran for 5 miles near my home. The thought of using a gun for anything else never entered my mind until I moved back to L.A. for 5 years. I am hung like a horse so guns don't play into the picture you have described.

You are already caught up in the first trap that the Dons set for you and that is to find that exact rock that you found and to then run back to town to dredge up the interest and capitol to start up the dig you have mentioned. When it doesn't pan out, you simply end up working a regular job back in town and spend quite some time in paying back the folks who are all at your throat to get their money back, not to mention the time spent in helping you to dig up your fantasy. Lucky if they don't hang you from that tree your so fond of. Meanwhile, your not out on the desert molesting the real mine. If it were still the 1800s, your first trap would have of course been the Apache and from there, false marked decoy trails that lead to no water and that run through scorpion nests, rattle snack herds and quicksand. Some trails will cripple your horse. You must be quite fond of the Peraltas by now and if not, you soon will be.

Twisted Dork,

I agree, you're hung like a horse.... A gelding... LMAO....

There are no traps, that was made up to scare people, much like what Twisted Dork tries to do.

Its funny you mention the Dons... Their camp is about as far away from the correct location as you can get...(But another freebie is, they're actually pretty close to the start of some famous directions)

You are incorrect sir, I have no interest in "raising Capitol". I'm not asking anyone to believe or invest in what I'm doing. I'm just sharing what I've found because I love the legend and the history.

There are no Apache out there sir... Not anymore..

There is actually water at my spot. Only in the Winter of course.... Maybe you missed that picture?? It's those 3water tanks, just like Brownie described...? Weird huh? Luckily I've stored water in the tunnel so I can go anytime... Again, if your old ass is up to it, I'll take you close to the legend. Close enough to make your skin crawl.....

Travis

 

[somehiker]

I don't recall ever mentioning that the mines were anywhere near one to another; maybe you have a friend with you now, one who is only now introducing their person to you as a guide? The quiet voice perhaps?

The Peraltas laid claim to an area that ran (according to the maps) as far North as Kings Peak,Utah....East to West from Battle Mountain, Nevada....East to Vernal, Utah and then a heart line that ran South from Barney's Canyon at the Kennecott Copper Pit, Utah and on South to Mexico; right through our area in question. It is very unlikely that a large party associated with the Peraltas ever went any further East than Salt Lake due to their period in years and the insane war parties the Utes afforded anyone at that time.

Legends and a surviving weigh bill speak of a fantastic sponge gold and wire lode, running for miles through the Uintas. The Spanish named her Josephine and left records of her storage hold of 50,000 pounds of gold bullion and 150,000 pounds of silver of which I am sure the Peraltas were aware of in this old legend, even in their time and no doubt felt it belonged to them like all the rest of the riches on the range.

Single Gold bars have been found laying on the ground running for miles away from this place after the Utes finished with the last big Mexican expedition of the 19th century. Every so many decades, a dear hunter finds a large ingot laying in the forest.

The blast from two sticks of 60% dynamite, placed on the rocks to the right, just inside the mouth of the buried shaft's enclosure here (bottom photo), produces 8 separate, loud pounding echoes; each deeper and deeper into the mountain as the concussion travels downward at the very least several hundreds of feet. It is said that she has 8 levels on the weigh bill. Each single one of the 8 echos from one blast, sounds like two large sheets of boiler plate being slammed together at exact 1 second intervals.


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One might be surprised as to just how many mines this Master Map reveals; even yours.

.There is no doubt that they were here.

Hey Twisty !

As usual,you are about as "lostaslost" as lost can be.
I can't imagine how the Pine Map could have anything to do with the LDM.
http://www.angelfire.com/trek/4thetruth/map.html
The Pine mine or Carre Shinob...
"Carrie Shinob"....as you spell it...maybe
Lost Dutchman in the Unitas ? ......LOL.

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