Claimed a mine

[IDAu]

With only one pocket discovered so far working by hand and electric tools may be the way to proceed. After finding more pockets have your friend or someone else come in to open up more rock as needed. Maybe rent some equipment to help move the rock for processing at that point?

Definitely. A lot of steps to even get to that point. A shaker table and proper crusher alone on the low end will be 12-15k to get set up to process enough to make it worthwhile. Provided there's even any left.

 

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[Tesorodeoro]

Well unless there is a line of the outcrop one can guess that there is perhaps a pocket there just looking at a photo. No one has said anything yet. Just a guess at this point.

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[Assembler]

Definitely. A lot of steps to even get to that point. A shaker table and proper crusher alone on the low end will be 12-15k to get set up to process enough to make it worthwhile. Provided there's even any left.

Well keep the costs down as overspending will kill the thrill fairly quick.
A highbanker for processing new or used is more in line with a hobby level.

 

[Assembler]

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The return (effort and cost) on going in and just blasting may not be recovered.

 

[IDAu]

The return (effort and cost) on going in and just blasting may not be recovered.

Luckily it's only going to cost me one 8x8 and a lot of elbow grease to get an idea before doing too much more.

 

[Assembler]

Luckily it's only going to cost me one 8x8 and a lot of elbow grease to get an idea before doing too much more.

I love the level head approach for today after all you can have your friend come in and rent some equipment at that stage and point of the discovery.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

It's not the magazine or the explosive type that's the issue. It's the storage requirements. I do not have property. I could store a Type IV with HE in nearly similar environments. But unfortunately I have found no one that will let me put a magazine on their property whether it be an indoor magazine in a shed, or and outdoor offset from any residence.

Trust me I've been down this road. I even paid for an explosive experts legal consulting. I've been dying to play with energetics but until I own a ranch it's not happening. Even if I did, insurance and bonding to get the fire marshalls approval is a nightmare.


I'll figure it out when the time comes. Getting a little too far ahead. Hopefully there's even decent grade ore back in there somewhere.

Ok. Can’t lead a horse to water.

It’s not an explosive and you can literally have it shipped as a hazardous substance similar to gunpowder from Cabelas. It’s very easy and safe to transport and I’m sure it could be stored behind a locked door inside your tunnel. No need for a ranch.

I’d look into it, but I’ll not say anymore about it. It burns like a flare…no detonation and no explosives. Just a burning flare that when the gasses are contained happens to break rock when they escape. Simply needs to be contained. Unconfined it is apparently harmless as far as blasting goes. But I’ll trust you have exhausted your resources.

 

[Assembler]

Ok. Can’t lead a horse to water.

It’s not an explosive and you can literally have it shipped as a hazardous substance similar to gunpowder from Cabelas. It’s very easy and safe to transport and I’m sure it could be stored behind a locked door inside your tunnel. No need for a ranch.

I’d look into it, but I’ll not say anymore about it. It burns like a flare…no detonation and no explosives. Just a burning flare that when the gasses are contained happens to break rock when they escape. Simply needs to be contained. Unconfined it is apparently harmless as far as blasting goes. But I’ll trust you have exhausted your resources.

As RockJack® PBC is not classed as a civil or relevant explosive you do not need an explosives certificate or acquire and keep certificate to purchase the product, and it is also exempt from track and trace regulations, but you do need to be trained in its use by the manufacturer, shot firing certificate holders past and present will only need familiarisation with the difference of Rockjack to high explosives and stemming techniques. Orders are processed same day and goods delivered to you the next day throughout most of UK regions.

https://www.nonex.co.uk/order-capsules/

E-mail: [email protected]

E-mail: [email protected]

Emails are monitored 9 till 5

 

[Tesorodeoro]

The return (effort and cost) on going in and just blasting may not be recovered.

As RockJack® PBC is not classed as a civil or relevant explosive you do not need an explosives certificate or acquire and keep certificate to purchase the product, and it is also exempt from track and trace regulations, but you do need to be trained in its use by the manufacturer, shot firing certificate holders past and present will only need familiarisation with the difference of Rockjack to high explosives and stemming techniques. Orders are processed same day and goods delivered to you the next day throughout most of UK regions.

https://www.nonex.co.uk/order-capsules/

E-mail: [email protected]

E-mail: [email protected]

Emails are monitored 9 till 5

well ya, that’s what I posted earlier.
Go check out the prices per capsule and the required “system” . Let us know please.

We all know sweat equity and sampling will be required..but eventually breaking hard rocks is going to be the primary requirement of a hard rock mine. Just to get an idea of what’s back there.

 

[Assembler]

well ya, that’s what I posted earlier.
Go check out the prices per capsule and the required “system” . Let us know please.

We all know sweat equity and sampling will be required..but eventually breaking hard rocks is going to be the primary requirement of a hard rock mine.

What is the cost of the training?
Is the training over the internet?
What is the system?

 

[IDAu]

Ok. Can’t lead a horse to water.

It’s not an explosive and you can literally have it shipped as a hazardous substance similar to gunpowder from Cabelas. It’s very easy and safe to transport and I’m sure it could be stored behind a locked door inside your tunnel. No need for a ranch.

I’d look into it, but I’ll not say anymore about it. It burns like a flare…no detonation and no explosives. Just a burning flare that when the gasses are contained happens to break rock when they escape. Simply needs to be contained. Unconfined it is apparently harmless as far as blasting goes. But I’ll trust you have exhausted your resources.

I was referring to the part about storage requirements in a magazine, not the product. I'll definitely look into it and appreciate showing me it. If it's not required I'll be good to go.

I have no idea, but I imagine even behind a locked gate any magazine wouldn't be allowed on BLM land. Maybe there is some exception for mining equipment. That would be amazing.

 

[Assembler]

I was referring to the part about storage requirements in a magazine, not the product. I'll definitely look into it and appreciate showing me it. If it's not required I'll be good to go.

I have no idea, but I imagine even behind a locked gate any magazine wouldn't be allowed on BLM land. Maybe there is some exception for mining equipment. That would be amazing.

Well just emailing to get more info will not cost much.
The product must have a slower burn rate then shotgun powder?

 

[IDAu]

Well just emailing to get more info will not cost much.
The product must have a slower burn rate then shotgun powder?

I can make black powder better than most on the shelf for dirt cheap. Maybe I should really go back in time, cutting fresh timbers and using BP to blast hahaha.

For hand tools, what should I be looking at? The best hammer drill I can get? I bought a Ryobi one and it's going back. Took me an hour to butcher that one little pocket.

 

[Assembler]

I can make black powder better than most on the shelf for dirt cheap. Maybe I should really go back in time, cutting fresh timbers and using BP to blast hahaha.

For hand tools, what should I be looking at? The best hammer drill I can get? I bought a Ryobi one and it's going back. Took me an hour to butcher that one little pocket.

When confined in a steel pipe, black powder can explode at speeds ranging from 560 feet per second for coarse granulations to 2,070 feet per second for finer granulations.

The burning velocity of black powder depends on its composition and density. For example, slightly pressed powder in a Bickford fuse burns at about 10 mm/sec, gunpowder at 8 mm/sec, and tubular powder at 3 mm/sec.

The burning rate of black powder depends on pressure, similar to solid propellant burning law.

Black powder is used in igniters for smaller rocket motors and barrel weapon cartridges. It's also used in "gentle" blasting applications, such as dimension stone production, to limit the formation of cracks.

The burning rate of black powder can be determined using a closed vessel test, also known as a ballistic bomb. In this test, a selected weight of black powder is ignited in a constant volume without gas exhaust. The pressure inside the vessel is measured and recorded, and the values obtained from the pressure course record are used to determine the burning rate.

Milling wooden timbers is not out of the question for quality and costs.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

I was referring to the part about storage requirements in a magazine, not the product. I'll definitely look into it and appreciate showing me it. If it's not required I'll be good to go.

I have no idea, but I imagine even behind a locked gate any magazine wouldn't be allowed on BLM land. Maybe there is some exception for mining equipment. That would be amazing.

You might search for how many permitted legal underground mines are located in your part of the state on public land..how many are permitted to process ore in any fashion on public land. Holding a claim on public ground is very different than actually mining it with an official blessing. The results will boggle your mind. It’s likely very few other than large operations.

All you can do right now is research.

ATF has online instructions for people to “build” a wooden class 2 magazine. It looks extremely easy and I’m not really sure it’s required for that product.

 

[Assembler]

I can make black powder better than most on the shelf for dirt cheap. Maybe I should really go back in time, cutting fresh timbers and using BP to blast hahaha.

For hand tools, what should I be looking at? The best hammer drill I can get? I bought a Ryobi one and it's going back. Took me an hour to butcher that one little pocket.

Think of impact force so a larger electric jack hammer will work better if you can hold it on the rock surface.

Gas pressure force will work much faster within the rock of course.