Cedar County Missouri - Church Hollow Treasure Legend

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Greenie
Jul 16, 2019
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Southwest Missouri
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New to the Southwest Missouri area, the Church Hollow legend has some incredible twists, turns and a plethora of misinformation associated with it. Due largely in part to a banned member, much of the story's roots have been misrepresented, creatively interpreted and a recent delusional, fictitious claim of finding it has cause an enormous amount of confusion.
To date, no verifiable retrieval of this alleged treasure has ever taken place.
Having personally done some local historical research, which includes original county documents predating the civil war by more than 15 years, it can be said the people associated with this legend existed. Past that, it's essentially folklore & choosing which talk take to chase.
Tidbits of the story's origin are most certainly real, the existence of the legend is very much alive and well amongst the natives of Cedar County, but nothing of solid veracity has ever been confirmed or proven.
Said to be located in the Bearcreek/Stockton/Linn Township area which follows what is now Mo. 32, locals say that, oddly enough, very little, possibly nothing at all, ties some local carvings to this particular treasure legend.
The carvings mentioned are of an elliptical shape, three crosses with markings resembling Turkey tracks and have existed far longer than the alleged treasure legend they are supposed to correlate with.
Fun dream, fun to listen to locals retell stories their grandfather told them, but sadly, this one's for next to nothing at it's core.
Numerous magazines ran identical variations of this story, changing key components to make them fit the area their respective publication areas they circulated in. Almost verbatim retellings of this legend appear in Appalachian-based magazines and circulars, as well as New Mexico, Colorado, Mississippi, Florida and Pennsylvania.
Pre-internet, publication companies were savvy enough to know who was reading what and where.
National press companies simply purchased stories from submitting authors, mildly reworked them and reprinted them in another region to sensationalize them same piece they only had to pay for once.
Fun too chase, exciting to think about, but the Church Hollow legend has zero verifiable root in anything tangible whatsoever.
 

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Into what I do I have found articles in some metal detecting/treasure Hunting magazines, were word for word copies of newspaper articles from the 1880's. I think he is from California.
 

From Southwest Missouri. Just happened to be doing some serious, in depth historical research in the area... I had previously commented on a wacky, crazy thread on the Church Hollow treasure, but mods have since closed it due to another poster's behavior.
I came across quite a bit of unique info doing some searching around in the Cedar County archives & confirmed a bunch of things.
While the Church Hollow legend itself is neat, the actual retelling of the "legend" from recent times is both botched and borrowed from preexisting information.
 

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I am Gene Carter. I solved this legend over a 3 year period and recovered the treasure on October 04, 2018. I got suspended tempydue to posting a screenshot of email with another member without her permission. Here is the link to the posting where I proved I did it...
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/civil-war/155775-cedar-county-missouri-war-cache-lost.html
Since then I've been working with a few people on publicizing the event.
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:occasion18: oh boy .. here we go again :smileinbox: Welcome back :occasion18:
 

I am Gene Carter. I solved this legend over a 3 year period and recovered the treasure on October 04, 2018. I got suspended tempydue to posting a screenshot of email with another member without her permission. Here is the link to the posting where I proved I did it...
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/civil-war/155775-cedar-county-missouri-war-cache-lost.html
Since then I've been working with a few people on publicizing the event.
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Very Cool ! :treasurechest:

I'm also assuming you paid your Debt Here, Or wouldn't be Posting :tongue3:
So welcome Back
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Batman, as long as you post by our rules your welcome, the ban was for posting private email and insulting members, if you post by our rules your welcome.



Warning to all members involved in previous thread. Post by our rules or lose ability to post, it wasnt just busman that was violating TreasureNet rules.
 

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I am Gene Carter. I solved this legend over a 3 year period and recovered the treasure on October 04, 2018. I got suspended tempydue to posting a screenshot of email with another member without her permission. Here is the link to the posting where I proved I did it...
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/civil-war/155775-cedar-county-missouri-war-cache-lost.html
Since then I've been working with a few people on publicizing the event.
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Scott Wolter is smiling in that pic because he had just tested my silver bar...you can see the chem spot on the shiny area of the bar. Scott Wolter is a forensic geologist...he's not going to pose for a pic with a fake.
My book release is being timed during the airing of television series. I won't be discussing details any further...I only posted a few details of my event in these postings. It's a much bigger story than you think.
I apologise for my temper in previous posts...I had worked too long and too hard to tolerate being called a liar after posting more than anyone could falsify.
 

Quite an interesting implication... Especially since America Unearthed hasn't been on the History Channel (H2) since 2016, when it was canceled, then later picked up by the Travel Channel. As this craziness continues, everyone should be aware that, according to the Travel Channel & the Season 5 lineup, there's a list of episode titles, topics and material already published... No mention of Missouri, a magic kettle, good and silver totaling BILLIONS of dollars rivaling the holdings of Ft. Knox, KGC hordes, nothing.
Again and again...
Kudos to meeting Scott Wolter at a public event & taking a fan photo, BUT, I'm sure he'd probably object to your exploitation & false association, as would The History Channel. There's no way any professional entity would touch this because they thoroughly vet ANYTHING they associate their name, logo and reputation with.
None of this is coming forth because there's nothing at the end of the rainbow here.
I wish this would stop -- This is how researchers and real treasure hunters get a bad name & it makes opening the smallest of doors to research and hunting exponentially more difficult.
 

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Previously misrepresented research leads one to believe Obadiah Smith - a preacher, founding resident of Cedar County & state representative - is somehow involved with this story. And, any honest research will tell anyone he's absolutely not affiliated with this "legend" in any form or fashion.
A previous post on a closed thread (page 3 of said post) has snapshots of a book with a line intentionally obscured and implies he's somehow "part of a massacre" ... This is 100% pure fiction. It's utterly & completely false.
Page 72 of the book Cedar County, Missouri Families & Histories (c. 1998, Turner Publishing Company) explains Obadiah Smith was shot and killed with his own gun by Bushwackers pretending to be soldiers from Kansas.
The individual line obscured in an image from a previous post redacts the words "neighborhood of Bear Creek Post Office" and is all material from a retelling of a news article from May, 1, 1863, originally published in the St. Louis News.
Anyone can read pages 72 & 73 of this history book and verify there's absolutely zero mention of treasure, the KGC, marauders, Incans, Mayans, legends, carvings, gold, silver, etc. Nothing in any way.
Taking a documented & completely factual story and trying to assimilate it into wildly invented falsehoods is shameful, dishonest, wrecks an area's history and is a disgraceful insult to the Smith family of Cedar County and anyone doing legitimate research.
 

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In case anyone needs further proof of this dishonesty, here's this for thought:

The closed thread -->
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/civil-war/155775-cedar-county-missouri-war-cache-lost-23.html
Note the date & timestamp of its closure by a site moderator.

And this:
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/gypsy-heart/254039-church-hollow-missouri-pot-gold-coins.html

Now, check the dates on the above post. Then check the timestamps. Then check the member's name — Mag72 — who replied to the original poster, when the Mag72 account was created & how many times the account has posted anywhere.
The exact same circumstances exist with another account — sammyaustin, page 14 — in the previously closed thread...
Compare that data.
Woooooooooooow. Any questions? Guys, it's all there in black & white... Or technicolor for that matter.
This is an amazing story --> And, as research into the area's rich history continues, this type of thing should be seen for exactly what it is.
As we dig deeper into a story, we should NEVER abuse the past.
No legitimate, honest or dedicated hunter, researcher, genealogist, history buff or treasure seeker with any integrity would ever perpetrate a farce of this magnitude.
Again, having lived near this area, spoken to locals, descendants of people supposedly playing a role in this tale, the excavators who have actually done the digging and worked with searchers, been through thousands of pages in the county archives, there genuinely has been no precious metal found at the end of this twisted rainbow.
 

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Hey Gene - When is book due out? In mean time- I understand you not putting pics on of gold etc. but how about one of the maps you found. I'm assuming rock carvings? It couldn't hurt as there is no way anyone would know where you found it. I'm just real into petroglyphs . Please - just one.. Not one on Austin farm , already know that. Don't worry my days of tracking threw the woods are over. Thank - you
 

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I was station at Whiteman Air Force Base when I was in the Air Force. Love it, friendly folks. They still fighting the Civil war in your state. A great state to search for buried treasure and for single coins. Good hunting and good luck.
 

Pearl54,
There's no answer to your request. Unfortunately, the nonsensical, fictitious, unsubstantiated, reckless & false narrative being perpetuated here is just a regurgitation from a previously closed thread. This new thread is based on tangible, verifiable, fact-checked research & was started for the sake of clarity, truth, transparency & historical accuracy ��
 

I am Gene Carter. I solved this legend over a 3 year period and recovered the treasure on October 04, 2018. I got suspended tempydue to posting a screenshot of email with another member without her permission. Here is the link to the posting where I proved I did it...
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/civil-war/155775-cedar-county-missouri-war-cache-lost.html
Since then I've been working with a few people on publicizing the event.
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hi gen would you be willing to show me about simbols and trasure maps? or help me w a place im searching here in Nevada? i have a bell monument close to a cave, and about 2.4 miles to the east i have a diamond stone monument. they might b related since the are close to a old royals kings road, or camino real and mormon trail.
 

I am Gene Carter. I solved this legend over a 3 year period and recovered the treasure on October 04, 2018. I got suspended tempydue to posting a screenshot of email with another member without her permission. Here is the link to the posting where I proved I did it...
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/civil-war/155775-cedar-county-missouri-war-cache-lost.html
Since then I've been working with a few people on publicizing the event.
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and were can i read the history about the church hollow treasure?
 

it can be said the people associated with this legend existed. Past that, it's essentially folklore & choosing which talk take to chase.

Tidbits of the story's origin are most certainly real

Reall truth : This is what makes all treasure legends so easy to fall for : Is that they are always built around real names, dates, and events. To which we add a treasure. Ie.: None of them ever started with : "Once upon a time", eh ?

And the believers will then say : "It's only a matter of sorting fact from fiction". But what that fails to take into account is: If there's no treasure, then IT DOESN'T MATTER how much of the rest of the story is true (names, dates, events). If there isn't a treasure, then : THERE ISN'T A TREASURE !

hi gen would you be willing to show me about simbols and trasure maps? ...

Prospexican, excuse me for my skepticism, but : Do not get caught up in the superstition of : Symbols in the landscape. To "read into random landscape features". Eg.: squiggly lines seen on a tree, etc.... Or the odd uncanny symmetrical placement of boulders in the area, etc...

When we are totally honest : You can ALWAYS find "uncanny " things or "symbols" everywhere. Eg.: If you lie on your back and stare at passing clouds long enough, you will eventually see the shape of a bunny, an angel, a clown, a big-dipper, and so forth. All of which are meaningless and random.

And for sure when someone goes to *hide* a treasure, they THEN make a map that they circulate. So that others can "find" the treasure that they just "hid", right ? :dontknow:
 

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