✅ SOLVED Candle snuffer or sink stopper?

[WHADIFIND]

I think I'm inclined toward the former.

Thanks and Merry Christmas!

HH!

 

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[WHADIFIND]

Yes, that is what is puzzling me and making me think it may be some sort of individual serving dish -- a teeny chafing dish or ramekin lid?

Ummmm, an inch across? Maybe, for a pat of butter? LOL Sorry, couldn't resist!

If we could figure out that "trademark".

 

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[tj.cama]

That definitely looks like a lemon juicer

 

[BuckleBoy]

Judging from the style of engraving, I would imagine this piece was 1700s or early 1800s in age.

-Buck

 

[WHADIFIND]

Judging from the style of engraving, I would imagine this piece was 1700s or early 1800s in age.
-Buck

That early?! It does fit the area, but I was thinking latter 1800's.

Any ideas on how I might trace that mark that looks like a maker's mark?

Thanks!

HH!

 

[BuckleBoy]

That early?! It does fit the area, but I was thinking latter 1800's.

Any ideas on how I might trace that mark that looks like a maker's mark?

Thanks!

HH!

Those types of decorations were popular in around that time frame. One of my buddies dug a trigger guard from the Federal period that had an almost identical flower on it ("Kentucky" rifle). I don't think it's a maker's mark, if you mean the flower design.

 

[WHADIFIND]

Those types of decorations were popular in around that time frame. One of my buddies dug a trigger guard from the Federal period that had an almost identical flower on it ("Kentucky" rifle). I don't think it's a maker's mark, if you mean the flower design.

Yeah, I was thinking that flower was a maker's mark. I only assumed that of course. But, I was thinking that since it was the only one, well you know. I may never know what, exactly this is but it has surely been an interesting piece.

And, ya know, now that I think about it, I believe that's exactly why that mark seemed so familiar to me. I believe I saw it in a book somewhere. If I remember right, it was on an old flintlock somewhere!

Thanks again for your help!

HH!

 

[BuckleBoy]

One more bit of information... The reason why I strongly feel that this is a late 1700s item is the resemblance that your engraved flower has to the Tudor Rose, which appeared on everything from cufflinks to buttons to musket decorations, trigger guards, etc. (look at the "Royal Navy Lieutenant's Tudor Rose" button, the 4th photo down the page or so here: George Washington 1789 Inaugural Button).

Regards,

Buck

 

[Archeodeb]

One more bit of information... The reason why I strongly feel that this is a late 1700s item is the resemblance that your engraved flower has to the Tudor Rose, which appeared on everything from cufflinks to buttons to musket decorations, trigger guards, etc. (look at the "Royal Navy Lieutenant's Tudor Rose" button, the 4th photo down the page or so here: George Washington 1789 Inaugural Button).

Regards,

Buck

That actually DOES look like the same symbol. I wonder if stamping everything with a Tudor Rose was sort of the visual equivalent of saying "Made in England" ? Not a lot of people were able to read in those days, so having a very recognizable symbol would have made sense. So... this may be a British "what the heck is it anyway?" right?

 

[cw0909]

just in case the flower/ tudor rose is a makers mark,and the item is brass,and could have
been made in england so we might get lucky and the mark will be here,you never know
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[WHADIFIND]

One more bit of information... The reason why I strongly feel that this is a late 1700s item is the resemblance that your engraved flower has to the Tudor Rose, which appeared on everything from cufflinks to buttons to musket decorations, trigger guards, etc. (look at the "Royal Navy Lieutenant's Tudor Rose" button, the 4th photo down the page or so here: George Washington 1789 Inaugural Button).

Yep! I am seeing it, might never know exactly what it went to, but the mark is familiar.

Thanks!

 

[WHADIFIND]

just in case the flower/ tudor rose is a makers mark,and the item is brass,and could have
been made in england so we might get lucky and the mark will be here,you never know
this is a lg site

That is a boatload of information!
Thanks for all the references. If I do figure it out I'll let everyone know.
HH!

 

[yaxthri]

I knew the form reminded me of something.
Couldn't find a match but I think this is a lead:

This, thing is made to resemble a Mandarin's hat. The "outlet" could be to fasten a movable "tuft" or "feather"?...



Mandarin was a title given to Court Officials of the ancient Court of the Chinese Emperor.
Check out this guy is wearing one:



http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/133264/1/Portrait-Of-A-Mandarin.jpg

Here are some pictures:
P5290022 Chinese Court Hat 19th Century | Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Chinese Court Hat (ChineseCourtHat#1) - OBJETS D'ART'S VIKING BEAD COMPANY

 

[WHADIFIND]

I knew the form reminded me of something.
Couldn't find a match but I think this is a lead:

This, thing is made to resemble a Mandarin's hat. The "outlet" could be to fasten a movable "tuft" or "feather"?...

Yep, it does seem to mimic that shape. Good clue!
Afraid I may never know, for sure, though.

HH!

 

[lastleg]

A hat for the organ grinder's monkey?

 

[WHADIFIND]

A hat for the organ grinder's monkey?

Only if the monkey's head was 1 inch across.

 

[Archeodeb]

What about the top of an old inkwell? The hole may have held a quill pen -- look at these sample pics.

 

[WHADIFIND]

What about the top of an old inkwell? The hole may have held a quill pen -- look at these sample pics.

"BY JOVE! I THINK SHE'S GOT IT!"

Unless someone else has a different opinion, this would seem to be an almost perfect match. If it is an inkwell, then, maybe, the mark on it might be found under inkwells somewhere! Most interesting!!!

Thanks Archeodeb!!

HH!

 

[yaxthri]

Not only don't I have a different opinion but I did a search combining my "mandarin hat" idea and Archaeodeb's (excellent call!) inkwell idea...

I was very happy to come up with this:




French Wood "Head of the Mandarin" Inkwell : Lot 167

Not the same thing but very close don't you think?

Now the hole makes sense. The quill goes into the hats hole just like on the real thing.

 

[WHADIFIND]

I am convinced that this is what this is, a top to an ink well.

As far as I'm concerned, I consider this a solution!

Way to go Archeodeb!!! My mandarin hat is off to you! But, not to you alone. All the wonderful people who helped on this tough on deserves many kudos as well!

Thanks everyone!
Now, to go back and find the rest.

HH!

 

[Archeodeb]

Not only don't I have a different opinion but I did a search combining my "mandarin hat" idea and Archaeodeb's (excellent call!) inkwell idea...

I was very happy to come up with this:

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French Wood "Head of the Mandarin" Inkwell : Lot 167

Not the same thing but very close don't you think?

Now the hole makes sense. The quill goes into the hats hole just like on the real thing.

I am convinced that this is what this is, a top to an ink well.

As far as I'm concerned, I consider this a solution!

Way to go Archeodeb!!! My mandarin hat is off to you! But, not to you alone. All the wonderful people who helped on this tough on deserves many kudos as well!

Thanks everyone!
Now, to go back and find the rest.

HH!

Thanks guys! I think it was more a case of eliminating everything else than any sort of brainstorm on my part. However, the Mandarin cap shape was a stroke of pure genius. I love how the inkwell Mandarin so closely matches the shape of this found piece. That may even be a clue to age. I believe there was a real craze for things from the Orient for a while back in the 1800s. Wasn't that what people called "Chinoiserie"?