Can you remove things from a river in Texas ?

[Tom_in_CA]

And also: This all rests of a supposed premise of "everyone reviles us" . And "everyone's watching us" and will scrutinize us, blah blah. Why this opening premise ?

The average passerby cares less. So why this notion ? In fact, it's just the opposite : People who pass by will often ask "what's the best thing you ever found", and "how deep does it go" and "where can I buy one of those". So why this starting premise that seems to suppose that we're doing something wrong ? Since when ? If we start with that premise, then sure : It merely becomes a self-fulfilling vicious loop. So why this starting premise ?

Me thinks it's like shark-attack psychology : A million people per day swim without incident. But the moment someone gets bit, guess what makes the next day's headlines ? In the same way : The minute ANY story of a "permit" arises. Or ANY story of a "scram" is posted, then presto: People think they need express blessings "lest they get in trouble". When the reality is, the average passerby probably cares less, nor would ever have cared. And : Best left that way. JMHO.

 

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[Treasure_Hunter]

And also: This all rests of a supposed premise of "everyone reviles us" . And "everyone's watching us" and will scrutinize us, blah blah. Why this opening premise ?

The average passerby cares less. So why this notion ? In fact, it's just the opposite : People who pass by will often ask "what's the best thing you ever found", and "how deep does it go" and "where can I buy one of those". So why this starting premise that seems to suppose that we're doing something wrong ? Since when ? If we start with that premise, then sure : It merely becomes a self-fulfilling vicious loop. So why this starting premise ?

Me thinks it's like shark-attack psychology : A million people per day swim without incident. But the moment someone gets bit, guess what makes the next day's headlines ? In the same way : The minute ANY story of a "permit" arises. Or ANY story of a "scram" is posted, then presto: People think they need express blessings "lest they get in trouble". When the reality is, the average passerby probably cares less, nor would ever have cared. And : Best left that way. JMHO.

We are a website for treasure hunting the purpose of our forum is for people to share knowledge, finds and to ask questions.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

We are a website for treasure hunting the purpose of our forum is for people to share knowledge, finds and to ask questions.

Correct. And for others to give their stabs/opinions @ the answers to those questions. Right ?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Correct. And for others to give their stabs/opinions @ the answers to those questions. Right ?

As long as they are not telling or encouraging members to break the law.


A word to the wise, we have been down this road before, we are not going down it again....

 

[Tom_in_CA]

As long as they are not telling or encouraging members to break the law.


A word to the wise, we have been down this road before, we are not going down it again....

TH'r , I know you are doing your job. And I don't envy that job one-bit.

But please do tell me : In this case, encouraging someone to look up laws-for-themselves : Just curious how that is "encouraging them to break laws". If anything, wouldn't that be the exact opposite ? What could be more law-abiding than that ?

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

TH'r , I know you are doing your job. And I don't envy that job one-bit.

But please do tell me : In this case, encouraging someone to look up laws-for-themselves : Just curious how that is "encouraging them to break laws". If anything, wouldn't that be the exact opposite ? What could be more law-abiding than that ?

I have already said we are not going down this road again...

 

[crashbandicoot]

Tom,I believe the OP was asking about removing items from a river,large,heavy items,a locomotive cab I believe.That,s a long way from metal detecting or casual looking for artifacts.If he pursues this,I believe it would take large equipment to do the job.I,m not going to argue how many angels can dance on the head of a pin with you,I agree that in most cases regs are available on line.My interpretation of those regs may not be what the enforcing entity,s interpretation is.If I have a question as to that interpretation I,m going to have it made clear before I engage in my endeavor,whether it be MD,ing or prospecting or what.I do not want to find myself on the wrong side of a judges bench.You are a free American citizen,do as you please,I,m in no way trying to change your mind or your habits.

 

[Gare]

I live in Texas, I would like to remove two large railroad pieces out of my local river where a railroad bridge once stood. This is on public property and state property, a navigable river. One piece is what I believe to be the roof of the cab of a steam locomotive and the other, a part of the old bridge. Of course, this isn’t the same as picking up a bottle and taking it. The process of removing these pieces and loading them, could possibly cause attention. I would like to be prepared to ensure whom may ask to what of which I am doing, that this is legally acceptable.
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Looks to me like it’s okay.

In my way of thinking your asking people that may or may not agree with your wants. If i wanted to know i would ask a lawyer

 

[Gare]

I might also add SOME times it is easier to ask for forgiveness then ask for permission !!

 

[traveller777]

I,d just flat out ask who ever has authority over that land.that way you should get a yes or no.

Amen. Better safe than sorry. I have a feeling the answer will be no UNLESS there is some obvious advantage for them.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

Correct. And for others to give their stabs/opinions @ the answers to those questions. Right ?

 

[crashbandicoot]

Amen. Better safe than sorry. I have a feeling the answer will be no UNLESS there is some obvious advantage for them.

He,s not talking about skimming a metal detector over the ground or panning a few scoops of sand. A locomotive cab will require big equipment to remove from a river.No way to do that on the QT. The people who regulate that ain,t gonna look kindly at a free lance, no permit,no ask operation of that size in a public body of water.It,s a piss poor reflection on society these days,I,ll agree,but that ain,t gonna fly when the guy with the badge asks what the hell you think you,re doing.

 

[traveller777]

He,s not talking about skimming a metal detector over the ground or panning a few scoops of sand. A locomotive cab will require big equipment to remove from a river.No way to do that on the QT. The people who regulate that ain,t gonna look kindly at a free lance, no permit,no ask operation of that size in a public body of water.It,s a piss poor reflection on society these days,I,ll agree,but that ain,t gonna fly when the guy with the badge asks what the hell you think you,re doing.

You are exactly right.

 

[Tesorodeoro]

You are exactly

It’s pay to play. Calculate your dredge and fill fees, write a check and you too can yank garbage outa the river using the same methods legally. It’s all about sustaining a perpetual system of permitting. Maybe plant three trees and inspect and report on them for three years and your good to go.

 

[traveller777]

It’s pay to play. Calculate your dredge and fill fees, write a check and you too can yank garbage outa the river using the same methods legally. It’s all about sustaining a perpetual system of permitting.

True that.

 

[Gare]

I live in Texas, I would like to remove two large railroad pieces out of my local river where a railroad bridge once stood. This is on public property and state property, a navigable river. One piece is what I believe to be the roof of the cab of a steam locomotive and the other, a part of the old bridge. Of course, this isn’t the same as picking up a bottle and taking it. The process of removing these pieces and loading them, could possibly cause attention. I would like to be prepared to ensure whom may ask to what of which I am doing, that this is legally acceptable.
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TxBottleDigger If you want to be safe ASK A lawyer in your state . If someone on here answers you wrong you could be the one PAYING THE PRICE !!! BE CAUTIOUS and find out for sure
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[Gare]

Let me say this "If i ask a lawyer and i get a signed statement from the lawyer telling me I am safe and something happens I have a course of action against the lawyer.
If i ask a person that works for the controlled place and ONLY have his word what action can ik take when i get arrested ?> LOL

 

[Gare]

I am always trying to cover my fanny

 

[crashbandicoot]

Let me say this "If i ask a lawyer and i get a signed statement from the lawyer telling me I am safe and something happens I have a course of action against the lawyer.
If i ask a person that works for the controlled place and ONLY have his word what action can ik take when i get arrested ?> LOL

Wise words! Common sense can go a long way too.Any one who has even a small knowledge of environmental doings in today,s world would know that if you roll up to a river on public land with enough heavy equipment to clear a medium size forest,things are not likely to go well for you unless you have all the required permits and permissions from all the proper bureaucrats. I don,t like it,but I don,t like jail and huge fines either.Cover your arse.

 

[crashbandicoot]

I am always trying to cover my fanny

More wise words,you,re too old for jail,me too!