Can anyone please help me identify this pewter button?

[VanitysBaby]

I have looked for hours for anything even remotely resembling this and i cannot find a single thing.

 

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[CRUSADER]

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I have found similar but they are normally 3 piece brass & late Victorian (based on the poorly done Crown). Yours is clearly a modern copy, probably for reenactors.

 

[VanitysBaby]

I'm not familiar with reenactment. Would they have been doing that 60 years ago? The button was in my grandmother's possession at that time.

 

[Iron Patch]

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I have found similar but they are normally 3 piece brass & late Victorian (based on the poorly done Crown). Yours is clearly a modern copy, probably for reenactors.

The crown could be that way from years of polishing. I see it quite often on pewter buttons. I don't know enough about the button to know whether it should be pewter, but going by what the poster says it sounds like it's genuine. (whatever it is)

 

[CRUSADER]

The crown could be that way from years of polishing. I see it quite often on pewter buttons. I don't know enough about the button to know whether it should be pewter, but going by what the poster says it sounds like it's genuine. (whatever it is)

If it is pewter, which I doubt, it would be unusual for a Victorian period button, unless it were a colonial type & it looks a more mainstream scrolled letter type.

 

[VanitysBaby]

they are very firm but bendable slightly by hand, i can write on paper with them, they are non-magnetic, and a well known button collector in this area was very disappointed i wasn't ready to sell them last year.

 

[VanitysBaby]

The letters appear to be AHR, there are pieces of metal still in between some of the script like maybe they were hand carved or didn't unmold properly?

 

[VanitysBaby]

i don't feel comfortable just asking the button guy, let's call him that, because he's a business man. he asked me "what airline" a Spirit of St Louis button was. He knew what it was he was just hoping i didn't. :P it's fun dealing with him but i'd like to have a real idea what these are before i list them on ebay. they look like Grenadier Guards buttons but yes, the crown looks wrong. i agree with reenactment buttons so far as they are said to be made with pewter shanks, a lot of lead, bubbles and flaws etc but i think these are much older.

 

[VanitysBaby]

i'm not sure what the letters are but here you can see the metal between them and that 2 shanks are rounded two are more square. i'm stumped. they are also quite heavy.

 

[CRUSADER]

I still think they are copies, they just don't fit any type I have ever seen, other than copies.

 

[VanitysBaby]

i've been looking through reenactment buttons too and cannot find any like these. Thank you for trying to point me in the right direction.

 

[VanitysBaby]

The stuff i find myself i have a MUCH harder time parting with but buttons like these i inherited from a vast hoard my grandmother obtained working in an old woolen mill in Maine. she had buttons from all over the world and i do think some are very old. i have 4 of these also which i'd never part with.

they are pewter i think and hand carved? they are smaller than a dime. i have never been able to find any like them either.

 

[VanitysBaby]

well maybe the mold is hand carved but it looks like the manes were made by pressing in a fingernail? the horses are very very close but not identical.

 

[VanitysBaby]

And thank you for the welcome. i used to spend hours here looking at everyone's finds. it makes the sickness even worse.... must.... hunt.... :P

 

[CRUSADER]

And thank you for the welcome. i used to spend hours here looking at everyone's finds. it makes the sickness even worse.... must.... hunt.... :P

yes, most of us are sick. Make the time & post your finds

 

[Iron Patch]

I still think they are copies, they just don't fit any type I have ever seen, other than copies.

Could be either or but you can never base it on what you've seen, because there's plenty we haven't seen. For example I have introduced two new early 3rd Guards types in the last year that no one seems to have seen, or is in any books, but they will be now. And as you know the 3rd Scot Guards is a very famous unit... and if they could go under the radar until 2011 I think just about anything is possible. I almost had the hat trick but the 3rd type was discovered within the last few years.

PS: Two of the three were pewter and had only been known in brass before.

 

[VanitysBaby]

Iron Patch, is this your find?

Rare Dug British Revolutionary War 3rd Foot Guards or Scots Guards Enlistedman's Cast 1-piece Pewter Button

 

[Iron Patch]

Iron Patch, is this your find?

Rare Dug British Revolutionary War 3rd Foot Guards or Scots Guards Enlistedman's Cast 1-piece Pewter Button

Just to be clear, none were my finds, but I owned them and brought it to the attention of those who put them in print.

That is the one I referred to as already having been discovered. (1st pattern pewter) The two that are new is a 2nd pattern pewter, and a 3rd pattern brass.

 

[VanitysBaby]

nice .

 

[CRUSADER]

Could be either or but you can never base it on what you've seen, because there's plenty we haven't seen. For example I have introduced two new early 3rd Guards types in the last year that no one seems to have seen, or is in any books, but they will be now. And as you know the 3rd Scot Guards is a very famous unit... and if they could go under the radar until 2011 I think just about anything is possible. I almost had the hat trick but the 3rd type was discovered within the last few years.

PS: Two of the three were pewter and had only been known in brass before.

I know it's possible, but don't they look odd to you?