Séville et l’Atantique (1504–1650)- full set of 11 Volumes

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Séville et l’Atantique (1504 – 1650). Séville et l’Atantique (1504 – 1650) - Paperback. Le trafic de 1504 à 1560. Séville et l’Atantique (1504 – 1650) - Hardcover. Le trafic de 1621 à 1650. By Huguette ET Pierre Chaunu.

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Is this where John S. Potter got all his information for The Treasure Divers Guide?

 

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It is the bases of most researchers work on Spanish ships lost, between 1504 1650, with a few exceptions, Dr Gene Lyons used these volumes, but also found more detailed information on several shipwrecks while studying in Seville. There are some other researches that I believe have spent time in Seville and may have discovered information only known to them, at that time people walked of with a lot of information from a lot of archives, Rob Marx for example had advice from Gene Lyons but he also visited the archive and I was told he had a 3 foot hight pile of original documents, that included the Information on the Santa De Aton Brazil , that is way no one can find a lot of information on Chaunu ships, Chaunu also produce another volume that was not published. The work is incredible and there are other books on information from the archies that describe in details routes and even hurricanes from the period, although the plate period ended around 1790, so the volume do not include those years, Haskins, Webber, Lyons, Marx, Cowan, Kopp and Bonifacio’s research cover Chaunu plus 1790 and beyond in terms of treasure shipwreck, I fell these along with Potter were the people that not only had the most accurate information on ships wreck but a lot of them discovered the location of many shipwrecks , Kopp in particular found hundreds of shipwreck that he and Marx, never had the time to salvage, or were banned from especially those located in the Bahamas. The advantage buying Black Ducks books over the ones on ebay is that you would get the list and page numbers and areas of all the shipwrecks, notice he says these are the books he used, meaning he knew how to use them, and if Black Duck is who I think he is, he knows how to use them.

 

[treasurediver]

It is the bases of most researchers work on Spanish ships lost, between 1504 1650, with a few exceptions, Dr Gene Lyons used these volumes, but also found more detailed information on several shipwrecks while studying in Seville. There are some other researches that I believe have spent time in Seville and may have discovered information only known to them, at that time people walked of with a lot of information from a lot of archives, Rob Marx for example had advice from Gene Lyons but he also visited the archive and I was told he had a 3 foot hight pile of original documents, that included the Information on the Santa De Aton Brazil , that is way no one can find a lot of information on Chaunu ships, Chaunu also produce another volume that was not published. The work is incredible and there are other books on information from the archies that describe in details routes and even hurricanes from the period, although the plate period ended around 1790, so the volume do not include those years, Haskins, Webber, Lyons, Marx, Cowan, Kopp and Bonifacio’s research cover Chaunu plus 1790 and beyond in terms of treasure shipwreck, I fell these along with Potter were the people that not only had the most accurate information on ships wreck but a lot of them discovered the location of many shipwrecks , Kopp in particular found hundreds of shipwreck that he and Marx, never had the time to salvage, or were banned from especially those located in the Bahamas. The advantage buying Black Ducks books over the ones on ebay is that you would get the list and page numbers and areas of all the shipwrecks, notice he says these are the books he used, meaning he knew how to use them, and if Black Duck is who I think he is, he knows how to use them.

There are still an immense amount of untapped sources of information.
For example: The Welsers and the Fuggers. Bankers so rich that they financed the kings.
The Welsers governed Venezuela from 1529 to 1546. How much gold did they ship to Europe during this time?
Where did the 4.5 tons of gold artifacts collected by Federmann end up?
Fontaneda talks about ships with lots of gold. Where did this gold come from? Maybe from the gold mines discovered by Federmann? Federmann did not mine any gold. He only robbed the gold from the natives while searching for the source of the gold they had.

 

[Magoopeter]

There are still an immense amount of untapped sources of information.
For example: The Welsers and the Fuggers. Bankers so rich that they financed the kings.
The Welsers governed Venezuela from 1529 to 1546. How much gold did they ship to Europe during this time?
Where did the 4.5 tons of gold artifacts collected by Federmann end up?
Fontaneda talks about ships with lots of gold. Where did this gold come from? Maybe from the gold mines discovered by Federmann? Federmann did not mine any gold. He only robbed the gold from the natives while searching for the source of the gold they had.

They are a rich people that work with gold so that they can trade and sell it. The Caquetios bathe Federmann in gold .

 

[Black Duck]

Séville et l’Atantique (1504–1650)- 11 Vol (Seville and the Atlantic) Research | eBay

Séville et l’Atantique (1504 – 1650). Séville et l’Atantique (1504 – 1650) - Paperback. Le trafic de 1504 à 1560. Séville et l’Atantique (1504 – 1650) - Hardcover. Le trafic de 1621 à 1650. By Huguette ET Pierre Chaunu.

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Paper back well there is that

 

[treasurediver]

Paper back well there is that

https://www.pbmnh.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/P._Ferdinando__A_Translation_History_of_Fontaneda__2010.pdf

Some of the earliest information on shipwrecks in Florida, comes from Fontaneda.
We can surmise that for every shipwreck on the coast of Florida, there would be a shipwreck on the Bahamas side.
We just have no information about it.
Because there were no survivors.

 

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https://www.pbmnh.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/P._Ferdinando__A_Translation_History_of_Fontaneda__2010.pdf

Some of the earliest information on shipwrecks in Florida, comes from Fontaneda.
We can surmise that for every shipwreck on the coast of Florida, there would be a shipwreck on the Bahamas side.
We just have no information about it.
Because there were no survivors.

https://www.pbmnh.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/P._Ferdinando__A_Translation_History_of_Fontaneda__2010.pdf

Some of the earliest information on shipwrecks in Florida, comes from Fontaneda.
We can surmise that for every shipwreck on the coast of Florida, there would be a shipwreck on the Bahamas side.
We just have no information about it.
Because there were no survivors.

The plate fleet losses on the Florida coast , has concentrated most people attention on that cost, the Bahamas on the other Hand has a number of fleets and shipwrecks that have never been found, although the place names of many of the Cay, s and rocks indicate some very early wrecks sank there, Hurricanes came from the West as well as the East, as we all know to well with recent events, and the Bahamas must have been a huge catchment area for many of the early fleets.

 

[Blak bart]

The plate fleet losses on the Florida coast , has concentrated most people attention on that cost, the Bahamas on the other Hand has a number of fleets and shipwrecks that have never been found, although the place names of many of the Cay, s and rocks indicate some very early wrecks sank there, Hurricanes came from the West as well as the East, as we all know to well with recent events, and the Bahamas must have been a huge catchment area for many of the early fleets.

There are many, and I believe the southeastern Bahamas has much more to offer in the way of new discoveries. Having grown up in the islands, I can testify to the many undocumented shipwrecks that still go unnoticed and un touched. If it's not lying directly on top of the reef, or obviously showing in the sand, then the islanders don't bother with any of it. I have seen islanders spearfish over ballast mounds, and not know that this is a wreck....nor do they care much. I have been documenting wrecks from satellite footage, and then actually going to the site to confirm whether it's a natural anomaly, or a shipwreck. Some have been spectacular others have been disappointment. Some of these wrecks will cover and uncover with sand over time. Several wrecks that I've watched over the years from satellite are at the moment covered up....others have been recently uncovered and exposed. I have wrecks in places that have not seen the presence of mankind since the people who wrecked there many years ago. Some are so isolated that I doubt anyone would go to them in my lifetime....logistics would be damn near impossible without a very capable salvage vessel, and a large budget....and that's just to get there. Remember....the old Bahamas channel was used for many of the early voyages home in the 1500s-1600s. There are complete islands that have no infrastructure and are completely desolate.....these are not small islands, and many years would be required to properly survey and explore. I will use one example, and I will not divulge this location, but it represents a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The wreck i will show exemplifies my theory on some of these wrecks. I surmise that where there is no bank or large barrier reef, that many wrecks are carried ashore or beached almost intact. They come from very deep water in large storm surges that swept them clear over the reef, and put them ashore....they are hidden in the kinetic zone on the beach....you might only see them uncover once in a lifetime, or they may get exposed and broken down even more. Mother nature has shown me more than any magnotometer ever has. I love the Bahamas bank, but wouldn't you save some money/and time by exploring these anomalies that expose themselves over the years.....I mean once I look....that's it !! Your either going back and it's worth it, or you just move on and go to the next one. Either way there is an X, or a check ✔️ on your list. Here's my latest....I've watched for wrecks on this particular island since the 90s.....all of a sudden....the lastet updated sat imagery shows an uncovered wreck that I never saw before in 20 years of monitoring these shorelines. Here's my newest beauty....never before seen, and never before explored. This wreck has never been seen before until this week's updated imagery. I will diligently go through many years of sat imagery to see if it has ever been exposed in the last twenty years !!

Perhaps !! I may get to explore this in the future !! I would book my trip tomorrow if I thought it was possible !!