Caltrops / Cripplers

[JARMAN]

Found at an Antique Shop. Owner thought they were kids jacks. But i had seen the first photo on a relic site for $55 each dug.#2 photo is mine. Do you think that these are the real thing or wishful thinking. Even if there jacks its a dollar well spent. Thanks for your comments.

 

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[Mackaydon]

First totally unprofessional impression: No, they're not large enough nor pointed enough to do the function of caltrops. I realize they don't have to be as sharp as barbed wire points to qualify as a caltrop. As to what they may be.......haven't a clue.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

I agree. They would not deny an area any more than a pebbled driveway.

Maybe "pummeling" media for a Wheeleabrator peening machine

 

[Montana Jim]

I wonder if they were tumblers for something... they are well worn on the points.

 

[JARMAN]

Thanks guys, I was not sure if they were big enough to make much work on a horse hoof. But what do you think about the first photo that is a listing on a well known relic site? they seem to be the same size.

 

[Montana Jim]

Thanks guys, I was not sure if they were big enough to make much work on a horse hoof. But what do you think about the first photo that is a listing on a well known relic site? they seem to be the same size.

I agree they are no more damaging then what you might find on a rocky path...

 

[Mackaydon]

Montana:
I was thinking along that same line; tumblers for polishing another object; like for polishing stones into marketable pieces.

 

[Montana Jim]

Montana:
I was thinking along that same line; tumblers for polishing another object; like for polishing stones into marketable pieces.

Which I think is what Charlie said in a much more sophisticated manner... :P

Maybe "pummeling" media for a Wheeleabrator peening machine

 

[BuckleBoy]

Thanks guys, I was not sure if they were big enough to make much work on a horse hoof. But what do you think about the first photo that is a listing on a well known relic site? they seem to be the same size.

When you post a photo from online--anywhere online--you should always include a link. (Tnet user's agreement) So with that in mind, got a link?

-Buckleboy

 

[digger_girl]

Thanks guys, I was not sure if they were big enough to make much work on a horse hoof. But what do you think about the first photo that is a listing on a well known relic site? they seem to be the same size.

When you post a photo from online--anywhere online--you should always include a link. (Tnet user's agreement) So with that in mind, got a link?

-Buckleboy

That's weird. I just went through the entire 'Terms of Use' and I must have missed that section. Care to point it out?

 

[digger_girl]

I thought these looked familiar. A quick search in my favorites list:
Here's a link http://www.joshuasattic.com/search/product.asp?ID=4769

By the way~ I've always heard, that unless a photo is copywrit-ed, once it hits the net, it's fair game for anyone to use. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[JARMAN]

Thanks guys, I was not sure if they were big enough to make much work on a horse hoof. But what do you think about the first photo that is a listing on a well known relic site? they seem to be the same size.

When you post a photo from online--anywhere online--you should always include a link. (Tnet user's agreement) So with that in mind, got a link?

-Buckleboy

Buckleboy,

I had no intention of breaking any Tnet user's agreement or agreements of any giving site with my post. I have re-read Tnet agreement and have yet to locate any such rules and regulations you referenced. Maybe a Moderator can direct me to its location.Correct me if i'm wrong but unless any photos or information has a disclaimer or infringement attached,it may be used. I chose not to use the site attached to the photo i used, for the protection of said site because as proven with my topic i can only assume that it, as well as my item was not the real deal. If at any time i am in error by my post i would expect to be called on it.IF i'm wrong. And i may be mistaken, but i'm sure i have seen many pic,s posted in the same manner as i have posted. So with that in mind, Please direct me to whats in question.

 

[Red_desert]

The part about using other source photos I think, was on the list to read when you registered. I read something about providing a link with photos.

 

[BuckleBoy]

Thanks guys, I was not sure if they were big enough to make much work on a horse hoof. But what do you think about the first photo that is a listing on a well known relic site? they seem to be the same size.

When you post a photo from online--anywhere online--you should always include a link. (Tnet user's agreement) So with that in mind, got a link?

-Buckleboy

Buckleboy,

I had no intention of breaking any Tnet user's agreement or agreements of any giving site with my post. I have re-read Tnet agreement and have yet to locate any such rules and regulations you referenced. Maybe a Moderator can direct me to its location.Correct me if i'm wrong but unless any photos or information has a disclaimer or infringement attached,it may be used. I chose not to use the site attached to the photo i used, for the protection of said site because as proven with my topic i can only assume that it, as well as my item was not the real deal. If at any time i am in error by my post i would expect to be called on it.IF i'm wrong. And i may be mistaken, but i'm sure i have seen many pic,s posted in the same manner as i have posted. So with that in mind, Please direct me to whats in question.

First off, I'm not busting anyone's balls here. Nor did I accuse you of violating anything. I believe Red_desert is correct. I know I have read that information on Tnet before. Perhaps the mods can steer you in the correct direction. This guideline is not enforced (although it probably should be--since it could get the Forum into trouble), hence you may have seen many posts of photos from other sources without links...but if you'll look in the "What Is It" category, you'll see many, many links. And if you'll review the past posts of the moderators on this site, you'll see links posted for their photos from elsewhere. But really, that's not even the main point here! The reason I want a link is PRECISELY the reason you would like to withold one. If someone is selling these at that outrageous price each--and they are NOT GENUINE, I--and everyone else on this website has a right to know. You, I, and our friends and fellow detectorists and collectors on this forum are the ones who need the protection--not the website. Victimization of buyers is rampant online. Over in the Spanish Cobs section, they bust eBay sellers of Fake Cobs all the time.

Thank you for the link, Digger Girl.


Regards,


Buckleboy

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Thanks Digger_girl. Here it is:

#4769 - Uniquely Shaped "Diamond" Caltrop Cripplers

These are cast iron "caltrops" or horse cripplers, spread on road or fields to hobble or slow advance of enemy cavalry by digfging into hooves of horses. This compacted diamond shape is more rare than the standard jacks-like stars. Measures about: 7/8 inches across. Light surface rust by very solid. Price & shipping is for ONE ONLY.
This item was collected from privately-owned lands with the property owner's full permission.

Type: dug | Condition: Fine | Price: $55.00
Shipping & Handling: $4.75
http://www.joshuasattic.com/search/product.asp?ID=4769

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

By the way~ I've always heard, that unless a photo is copywrit-ed, once it hits the net, it's fair game for anyone to use. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I always try to post the link to show where the pic came from and to show that it is not my pic; that I am not claiming it to be mine. I dont know if this protects me from copyright lawsuits but it sounds good.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

I have my own fine print that protects me. See the bottom of my post. ;-)

PS - Calthrops my kitty's litterbox.

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

I was thinking "no" to the caltrops, but then I found this site, which notes a couple of different sizes (from civil war).

Might help, not sure.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...w=115&prev=/images?q=caltrop&gbv=2&hl=en&sa=G


Third one from the bottom.

B

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I was thinking "no" to the caltrops, but then I found this site, which notes a couple of different sizes (from civil war).

Might help, not sure.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...w=115&prev=/images?q=caltrop&gbv=2&hl=en&sa=G


Third one from the bottom.

B

From Mrs. O's link:

CIVIL WAR CALTROP

Iron caltrop with six spikes that has been plated with a white metal meas. approx. 2 �" round. A bit larger than the standard 1 �". The caltrop was a device used against the cavalry and mounted men by the infantry. They were tossed in handfuls to break up a cavalry charge causing a horse injury upon stepping up the pointed parts.


(M18713) $125.00

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Here is a 2-7/8" high Civil War calthrop.

http://www.forthehunt.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=93151171#PIC

Here is a 1-1/2" high Civil War calthrop.

http://www.trocadero.com/faganarms/items/707594/item707594store.html#item

Here is a small Civil War calthrop

I'm seeing much more "pointedness" than the little finger width octahedrons shown on someone's hand in the early images.