Buttons-One has a LION on it

[Breezie]

1/11/2010
This post was revived when IronPatch found a match for the back of the LION button. I welcome any thoughts or ideas on this lion button. Thanks, Breezie

Original Post:
Hey folks, Attached are 5 pics of some buttons I dug in a yard where I have found CW items as well as a 16th century buckle. I have close ups of the first 3. The lion button is most unusual. Button #2 seems to have a circle with lines running through it. Button #3 is made out of some type of metal, which could be lead, I'm not sure. Any help with any or all would certainly be appreciated. Happy Friday! Breezie

 

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[Iron Patch]

Thanks Johnny, and BCH for the site. Here's a pic of the back. There is writing on it, but I can't read it. Breezie

The back of that button stuck in my mind and just for the sake of interest here is a good CW one that's similar.

http://relicman.com/buttons/B6083sell.htm

 

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[Breezie]

author=Iron Patch:
The back of that button stuck in my mind and just for the sake of interest here is a good CW one that's similar.

http://relicman.com/buttons/B6083sell.htm

IronPatch, great detective work! I do believe we have a match for the back of this button. I'm going to clean it tonight to see if I can get some letters/script from the back. Below is a side by side comparison of the two. Now we've got to figure out the who/what/where of it. BTW, did you note the price of that button. Thanks, Breezie

 

[Iron Patch]

author=Iron Patch:
The back of that button stuck in my mind and just for the sake of interest here is a good CW one that's similar.

http://relicman.com/buttons/B6083sell.htm

BTW, did you note the price of that button. Thanks, Breezie

Yes, if only you had a match for the front!

 

[Breezie]

ok, I know this is NOT and ID but #2 HAS been posted here before....

Within the last few months...

Oh, goodie . .maybe we can finally figure out about the strange symbol on button #2. BTW, I did a little more cleaning, and looked at the back of the lion button, and the only thing I can see is the symbol pictured below. Thanks, Breezie

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

ok, I know this is NOT and ID but #2 HAS been posted here before....

Within the last few months...

This thread is 30 days old. Do you remember if it was in Todays Finds or What Is It?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

After viewing IPs link it has the look of a C Rouyer 19th century button. Heres a Carolina button with a similar lion but on the back.. Just some ideas to throw out there.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...+Orleans+lion+button&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


I originally thought it resembled the old Persian lion, now called Iran, but it lacks a sword.

 

[Breezie]

After viewing IPs link it has the look of a C Rouyer 19th century button. Heres a Carolina button with a similar lion but on the back.. Just some ideas to throw out there.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...+Orleans+lion+button&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


I originally thought it resembled the old Persian lion, now called Iran, but it lacks a sword.





Between the matching C Rouyer lion, button type, and found in Carolina, it seems to have the southern made C. Rouyer connection. Watch you think Breezie?

BCH, WOW! You are the bomb! I think I can see a light at the end of the tunnel now. When I read your post about Iran, I looked at my button and realized the lion didn't have a sword. The C Rouyer lion is a good connection since they made 'Southern' buttons. Hopefully we will be able to find my particular button. I wish I didn't have to work today so I could search. Thanks again, Breezie

I forgot to ask: Should I try to clean it for a better photo, or just leave it as is?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I forgot to ask: Should I try to clean it for a better photo, or just leave it as is?

You would have to ask someone else about the cleaning. Buckleboy has a great tutorial somewhere and someone recently cleaned their button carefully with Diet Coke and it worked great. Must be diet, no sugar.

 

[Bramblefind]

Good eye finding that lion BCH! I might not be reading this right but I didn't think the Rouyer button had the lion.

http://relicman.com/buttons/zBackmarkExtraGold.htm

Backmark: " (graphic of lion head) / EXTRA GOLD (script) QUALy. (sic) ", likely Smith Kemp Wright 1862 to 1865, but not proven
Tice not listed in backmark book that I can find, it is listed SC section in his button book.

Breezie - I also stumbled across this button - does this look like your symbol?


http://www.jimhalliday.com/metaldet...ictorian/&pic=Livery Button Nafferton A.JPG

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Good eye finding that lion BCH! I might not be reading this right but I didn't think the Rouyer button had the lion.

http://relicman.com/buttons/zBackmarkExtraGold.htm

Backmark: " (graphic of lion head) / EXTRA GOLD (script) QUALy. (sic) ", likely Smith Kemp Wright 1862 to 1865, but not proven
Tice not listed in backmark book that I can find, it is listed SC section in his button book.

Ah OK my bad. Ill try searching Smith Kemp Wright or maybe its a dead end.

 

[kyphote]

Breezie,

Not sure if it's been identified, but I believe #6 is the weight to a CW poncho.

 

[Breezie]

Good eye finding that lion BCH! I might not be reading this right but I didn't think the Rouyer button had the lion.

http://relicman.com/buttons/zBackmarkExtraGold.htm

Backmark: " (graphic of lion head) / EXTRA GOLD (script) QUALy. (sic) ", likely Smith Kemp Wright 1862 to 1865, but not proven
Tice not listed in backmark book that I can find, it is listed SC section in his button book.

Breezie - I also stumbled across this button - does this look like your symbol?

Thanks Bramble, Here's a comparison; what do you think? Breezie

 

[Bramblefind]

Sort of.. I guess. I don't know what the livery button symbol means but maybe it could be a clue to your backmark.

 

[kyphote]

Breezie,

Not sure if it's been identified, but I believe #6 is the weight to a CW poncho.

Never mind--I think I was off on the poncho grommet call. Could be a coat hem weight as shown on p. 53 of Crouch's book? Yours looks a bit more intricate, though...

 

[vayank54]

Bramblefind is right. Rouyer made buttons do not have a loin on the back

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Bramblefind is right. Rouyer made buttons do not have a loin on the back

The Rouyer button back is the one Iron Patch posted. I googled it and saw the lion on a Carolina button and somehow misread it. My bad.

It is however a similar lion so maybe a clue.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I know its not a match but this Czech railroad button reminded me of yours.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Old post but heres another Czech Railway trolley button. It resembles your unkown Breezie. I think WWII era electric trolley is the avenue to search.

http://www.vintagebuttons.net/shanks.html
An unusual glass uniform button. Thought to be Czech Railway (trolley system) c. 1940's made when metals were scarce.