Buried Pots Of Gold / NC

[Bigdogdad]

ECS-I will believe what I want and you will believe what you want to. Nothing has changed. You seem to want to burst everyone's bubble, you go guy! Do you ever actually hunt for treasure?

 

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[ECS]

One man's fact is another man's fiction. What makes something written, "official"?... If treasure is hidden and nobody writes an "official" account of the burial, does the treasure exist? ...

BDD,you are working under the premise that records were not made or kept during the Civil War,concerning gold that was lost or buried.Nickmarch posted the link about the USS WING/Lt Loring disposing of $9000 of gold coins.He cited the source which provide names,dates,and location.
Also documented is the loss of the 900oz gold bars and 17000oz silver bars made by CSA ASSAYER Lewis Quillan at Dahlonega,Ga during a shipment to Thomas Metcalf Confederate Depository Bank in Augusta,Ga.The records of CSA Treasury Sec Christopher Memminger document this information.
The burial of a Union payroll chest at Dollar Hill before the Battle at PARKER's CROSSROADS,TN is well documented with combatant names and regiment,the date and location by official records and even a eyewitness account.
Now,as I have tried to point out, the 20 pots of gold legend lacks any documentation.No real date,only one name given (as with other similar lost CSA gold tales) that can not be found in CSA records,vague location,and no reason for placing gold in iron pots and sending them off on a train with no destination mentioned. This is what makes this a legend or lore.
So,I ask,where and when did this story originate?Yes,it appears in treasure books and mags,which appears to be the source.Is it a fictitious of a treasure writer to sell a story?
I don't know-but nothing exists anywhere to prove that this event ever happened.
It is important to discover the origin of any treasure lengend to determine fact or fiction.

 

[Connecticut Sam]

SWR - Oppps.... . Didn't look at it good enough the first time I guess. Thanks for clearing that up.

LeJeuene

You always good looking. Are you single? You are the best treasure a man can find.

 

[Frankn]

another of Sam's diggin up the past.

 

[Connecticut Sam]

The comment before mine is less then 60 days, not long in the past. More insults from Frankn. If he was out digging treasures, he be too busy in what I am writing.

 

[big dreamer]

i would be willing to pursue the water sites more info please ?

 

[ECS]

Jefferson Davis and his wife were on their way to Florida.His baggage and part of the Confederate treasury made it to David Yulee's COTTONWOOD PLANTATION in Archer,Florida-Davis didn't.
CSA SEC of State/Treasury Judah P Benjamin(Yulee's cousin) and CSA SEC of War John C Breckinridge did make it to Florida with their part of the Confederate treasury.

 

[ECS]

I don't believe I would call that part of the confederate treasury. That was only funds or expenditures to get them out of the country or to the Trans-Mississippi where President Davis would have went to if he had not been so concerned for his wife and family.

When Jefferson Davis was captured by the Union in May,1865,also seized was $85,000 in gold,$36,000 in silver,$35,000 in various silver coins,and $700,000 in Confederate bills that came from the Confederate treasury.
During Benjamin and Breckinridge's flight through Florida,they gave CSA spy from Palatka,Lola Sanchez $500.00 in Mexican silver dollars and CSA riverboat blockade runner,Hubbard L Hart,$4500.00 . There were others who were compensated during their escape.All came from the last of the CSA treasury.
Benjamin escaped to the Bahamas and Breckinridge to Cuba with what remained of the CSA treasury.

 

[Tod Ringam]

Cotton was the big cash crop for the south. Because of the blockade, they couldn't sell to Euorpe instead they had to sell the cotton to Mexico which was payed for in Mexican silver dollars. Consequently they had barrels of Mexican silver dollars too heavy
to take with them. The pots are probably filled with Mexican silver dollars not gold. I doubt they had more gold than what they could carry. However still worth finding. I've allways felt that the best place to search would be on either side of Rock creek. It flows North to South and crosses the Railroad @ three miles East of McLeasville. They wouldn't put a pot in the creek but might end a row at the creek on the West side or start a new row on the East side of it. Anyway the idea is to start a search at the creek, then work both ways from it. I hope this might help,Tod R.

 

[SADS 669]

Sure old man, I will show you the location of this gold which is only 650 miles from my house. You won't look over my shoulder? That is funny. I will assume you are just joking about this and don't think that I am that stupid. I do thank you for the offer. Maybe if I can meet you about 20 miles away, blindfold you, take your cell phone and turn it off, tie your hands behind your back, put you in my trunk, I would then take you to the location with your metal detector. When can we start? I tell you what, come by my house and we will talk. I am not joking about this. I will take you to the Rocky Bluff pirate silver site. The modern day pirates have already shown the location to some other pirates that plan to dig it up. I have nothing to lose.

I know you think I am a blabbermouth but when it comes to some of my sites I am not. If the pirate silver at Rocky Bluff comes up missing there will be about 500,000 suspects as that is about how many newspapers went out with me showing the approximate location.

I am curious about one thing. If there is non-ferrous gold in a ferrous container what will your detector say about the pots? Is it possible to use a magnetometer to locate the pots and then the Pulse Star II to see if there is also gold? The !st group that detected the pirate site got a reading for non-ferrous only. At the NC site it would be great to have as many different electronics as possible. I talked to the property owner today and he will probably be ready for me in about a month.

don't do it, if he gets you tied up and blindfolded in his trunk Treasure hunters will be looking for your body for years to com LOLdde33

 

[rschofill]

I know the location of a peck of silver and gold from 1860's near danville.

I read a story concerning buried pots of gold in N. Carolina by confederate soldiers along a set of RR tracks in 1864. Supposedly there was two flat cars loaded with iron pots filled with gold coins with the lids wired shut. They buried 3 pots per hole exactly 100 paces off of the tracks. The CW was nearing it's end & the reason they were buried is because Union forces were closing in on them & they didn't want this to fall into the hands of the Union.

A version of this story of buried treasure was published in a magazine in mid 1990 and a few weeks later a man contacted the author for any additional information which the author provided. The inquiring gentleman stated he was a professional treasure hunter and was convinced he could find some of this treasure with a revolutionary new type of metal detector he constructed.

Three months later this gentleman contacted the author and stated he had found 6 of the pots of gold and mailed a sizable check to this author for his "consultation fee". During the next three years he found another 6 pots!! Again, the author received a sizable check. The treasure hunter supposedly passed away in 2001 leaving his family an impressive inheritance.

Has anyone heard of this story or have any different information or details concerning this? There seems to be some validity to this story since some of it was actually found.

I am curious about this revolutionary new type of metal detector he supposedly constructed also. Shouldn't it be on the market?? Maybe it is.

The story did strike my curiosity. Any information would be appreciated.

I have much better information about confederate gold near danville. rschofil@earthlink.net if you have some equipment. I know the exact location of an old indian woman's home that burried a peck of silver and gold for a important lawyer. showed up an told her to hide it. He never returned for it. she couldn't have gotten far from her home with it. She is a family member and nobody ever found gold anywhere near by. her daughter overheard the lawyer and told the story to daughter. Her daughter was my father in law's great grandmother and would tell him the story. No one else in the entire family has ever heard anything about a gold treasure. He got the story direct from his great grandmother that lived in the same home. What do you think? email me Father in law is 80 and in poor health.

 

[lastleg]

A peck is equivalent to 8 dry quarts. That would be quite a haul.

 

[ECS]

Cotton was the big cash crop for the south. Because of the blockade, they couldn't sell to Euorpe instead they had to sell the cotton to Mexico which was payed for in Mexican silver dollars. Consequently they had barrels of Mexican silver dollars too heavy
to take with them. The pots are probably filled with Mexican silver dollars not gold. I doubt they had more gold than what they could carry. However still worth finding. I've allways felt that the best place to search would be on either side of Rock creek. It flows North to South and crosses the Railroad @ three miles East of McLeasville.

The Confederacy did trade with Europe (England & France) by way of CSA blockade runners set up by CSA Sec of State Judah P Benjamin,where the CSA bought their warships and munitions.Yes,they also traded with Mexico,and 500 of those silver dollars were givin to Florida CSA spy,Lola Sanchez in May,1865.
The 20 pots of gold tale is said to have happened in 1864.The South was still activly engaged in war with the Union and used most of their assets to purchase munitions for that purpose,not bury it in North Carolina.
Davis,Benjamin,and Breckinridge feld with the remains of the CSA Treasury after the fall of Richmond,April 1865.

 

[ECS]

Could you supply us with the records that record President Davis having all of this gold, silver and paper money on his person when captured. i have read that what little Davis' wife had and all the others of the party the Yankees took all of it. President Davis had no funds of his own only his wife had a handful of gold coins given to her by her husband before she left Richmond. Put up the quotes where you found this information. The weight of the silver alone would be over 4433 pounds with the gold weighing over 265 pounds and the paper would wiegh in at 100 pounds or more. You are looking at over 4,800 pounds to haul around. Seriously do you believe that?

http://www.cincinnaticwrt.org/data/ccwrt_history/talks_text/clancy_cs_finance.html
Davis & co were traveling with several wagons,and based on 1865 value,the weight would have been about 6100 lbs.
Another site :
War Department Collection of Confederate Records
Varina Davis did have a small amount of gold coin in her possession,but it was not part of the Confederate treasury.
Another member of Davis's party,was John Taylor Wood,who was captured with Davis but bribed a Union guard $40 in gold coin to let him escape.Wood later joined up with Judah P Benjamin and John C Breckinridge on their flight through Florida and traveled with Breckinridge to Cuba.You can research Wood's diary which details Davis's capture.

 

[ECS]

First off,Franklin,that is a claim of others I posted and provided you the link.Take from it what you may. What about what was recovered at Dionysius Chennault's plantation ?
What about what was carried off by Benjamin and Breckinridge?
Yes,I am familar with the James A Semple & Julia Gardiner Tyler version-"THE REBEL AND THE ROSE"-Wesley Millett,1939.
There are many conflicting versions of what was found "on" the Davis party and what was found "with" the party.
The LIBRARY OF CONGRESS has in its archives the records of what was seized from this event.

 

[Tony in Virginia]

Don't know about the validity of the story, but there are alot of affordable ground penetrating radar units available. Or , even cheaper, a box detector. Thanks for the story.

 

[ECS]

The first link did not work. I have read all of the Library of Congress war records and I have read the congressional records of what was recovered from each one of the party and it is nothing near all the claims from the uninformed.

Franklin,I have corrected the first link so you can be informed.

 

[Bigdogdad]

Franklin, don't bother arguing with ECS. He is the self-appointed official know-it-all of Treasurenet. If you don't believe me just tell him he may be wrong about his "facts".

 

[lastleg]

A pointed disdain for facts is very popular in some quarters of the Deep South. In my own experience I've found the printed
word extremely helpful in avoiding undue strain.

I bet every single county south of the Mason Dixie has folks believing that Jesse James rode through and left a cache behind.
Could all these claims be correct? Only the gullible would take them at face value and not delve into the records to see if the
actor might have been able to be in several vicinities at the same time. Argueing with them does no good whatsoever for their
minds are set in concrete.

So it is best to bid them luck before shaking the dust from your shoes in parting.

 

[Bigdogdad]

lastleg- I have no "pointed disdain" for facts. I do constant research on all things I do in life. Whether it is how to make a car repair or which treasure story or account is true is up to the reader to try to figure out. When someone claims that only their version of the facts is the correct one I have a habit of checking with other "experts" as they all have their own opinion and we know how much opinions are worth. I believe EVERYONE has one. There are usually more than two sides to every argument or discussion.

As far as how to decide which version of ANY treasure story may be true, there is only ONE way to find the truth, and that is to find the treasure. This can only be accomplished with boots on the ground, metal detector in hand, and a shovel to dig with. You then have to be willing to pick a spot to put the shovel into the ground. Talk is getting cheaper every day. Treasurenet is chock full of talkers. I wonder how many people reading this thread have dug for a treasure cache in the last year.