Idahodutch
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My phone only gets one date 🤷🏼♂️
If you have access, please post, I already said I had doubts. 😁
Buried Money in Portland Oregon
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If you have access, please post, I already said I had doubts. 😁
Idahodutch
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The barn is odd for sure.
Perhaps it’s partially collapsed …. and some 😆
That would be my first guess.
I Agree, graves behind the barn could be interpreted many different ways. 🥸
Why is it called a “chart”?
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Not enough zoom.
And geez it's a busy area!
There were a couple stones in the park I tried to copy a picture of. Not graves.
And on the golf course North , a big grey boulder. L.o.l.
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I think the plank road idea as a pike might be right
this might be why the chart/map says pike, in February 1856 a new co. built more plank road & charged a toll.
I think that tolls were charged back east too & called pikes. JMO that suggests the chart/map marker was familiar
with pike roads back east. more info @links
the first planks on September 27, 1851 were laid for the great plank road,the effort went bankrupt January 1853.
By early 1852, workers had laid planks up present-day Canyon Road,put in a bid to complete the city portion of the
road to Park Avenue on Jefferson Street. After bankrupt, a new company formed in February 1856 as the Portland and
Tualatin Plains Plank Road Company,to complete the plank road & to help finance there was a toll charge for use.
By 1867 the road was deteriorating, 5 years later,The Great Plank Road had become anachronistic.
www.oregonencyclopedia.org
more on Lownsdal & the road, from the goose hollow link
Lownsdale sold the tannery and land in 1848 and bought out Francis Pettygrove’s claim on the Willamette River.
A town booster, he helped persuade Portland to tax itself and build the Great Plank Road (now Jefferson Street,
which becomes Canyon Road as it leaves Goose Hollow). The planks covered a muddy road in the narrow Tanner Creek
Canyon and led to the Willamette River, providing a somewhat navigable road for Tualatin Valley farmers to take
produce to the port.
www.oregonencyclopedia.org
Daniel H. Lownsdale
www.oregonencyclopedia.org
plank toll road history
en.wikipedia.org
this might be why the chart/map says pike, in February 1856 a new co. built more plank road & charged a toll.
I think that tolls were charged back east too & called pikes. JMO that suggests the chart/map marker was familiar
with pike roads back east. more info @links
the first planks on September 27, 1851 were laid for the great plank road,the effort went bankrupt January 1853.
By early 1852, workers had laid planks up present-day Canyon Road,put in a bid to complete the city portion of the
road to Park Avenue on Jefferson Street. After bankrupt, a new company formed in February 1856 as the Portland and
Tualatin Plains Plank Road Company,to complete the plank road & to help finance there was a toll charge for use.
By 1867 the road was deteriorating, 5 years later,The Great Plank Road had become anachronistic.
Great Plank Road
The Great Plank Road, constructed in 1856, connected productive agricultural communities in the Tualatin Valley to Portland. Paved with sixteen-foot, three-inc…
www.oregonencyclopedia.org
more on Lownsdal & the road, from the goose hollow link
Lownsdale sold the tannery and land in 1848 and bought out Francis Pettygrove’s claim on the Willamette River.
A town booster, he helped persuade Portland to tax itself and build the Great Plank Road (now Jefferson Street,
which becomes Canyon Road as it leaves Goose Hollow). The planks covered a muddy road in the narrow Tanner Creek
Canyon and led to the Willamette River, providing a somewhat navigable road for Tualatin Valley farmers to take
produce to the port.
Goose Hollow
One of the oldest neighborhoods in Portland, Goose Hollow has a history that includes roving bands of geese, the Great Plank Road, a tannery that helped put Po…
www.oregonencyclopedia.org
Daniel H. Lownsdale
Daniel Lownsdale (1803–1862)
Daniel H. Lownsdale was an early Portland townsite settler who served in the Provisional Government legislature. As a real-estate investor, he owned much of th…
www.oregonencyclopedia.org
plank toll road history
Plank Road Boom - Wikipedia
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Once again great stuff. 
I love looking at those old photographs it like going back in time. machine.
This is one of the reasons why I find this alleged treasure map so interesting and intriguing?
Crow
I love looking at those old photographs it like going back in time. machine.
This is one of the reasons why I find this alleged treasure map so interesting and intriguing?
Crow
Idahodutch
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I had no idea that plank roads were a craze mania for a while. I guess I missed that day in school .. 🤔
Plank roads were a huge improvement over muddy ruts…. Especially for farmers getting produce to market. I was reading that 5 or 6 day trip, could be cut to 15 hours. No wonder all the excitement, and investments that it generated. 🤓
I enjoyed this story, 👍
Thanks Crow for sharing it.
Idahodutch
Plank roads were a huge improvement over muddy ruts…. Especially for farmers getting produce to market. I was reading that 5 or 6 day trip, could be cut to 15 hours. No wonder all the excitement, and investments that it generated. 🤓
I enjoyed this story, 👍
Thanks Crow for sharing it.
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I think I found the plank road that went by the tannery
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found these sites/maps, not sure what I should look for,if anything
the Oregon Historic Sites Database, also has a Oregon Historic Sites Map
tab: view statewide map
Oregon Historic Sites Database
another Historic Resources map for Portland
pdx.maps.arcgis.com
the Oregon Historic Sites Database, also has a Oregon Historic Sites Map
tab: view statewide map
Oregon Historic Sites Database
another Historic Resources map for Portland
ArcGIS Web Application
pdx.maps.arcgis.com
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found some img/pics done along the Willamette River in Portland,I'm not seeing the chart/map
building,but some of the img need a tweak of exposure, enlargement for my old eyes
I tried to load the img,it wouldn't, just click on pic for a lg jpg
this Panorama in 3 parts of Portland, Oregon 1882, shows the changes in 20yrs
digitalcollections.ohs.org
Panorama of Portland and the Willamette River, Oregon. No.1-8
date: 1861-1867 by Carleton E. Watkins
digitalcollections.ohs.org
more C Watkins
digitalcollections.ohs.org
search his name & found this collection,haven't looked at this collection yet
building,but some of the img need a tweak of exposure, enlargement for my old eyes
I tried to load the img,it wouldn't, just click on pic for a lg jpg
this Panorama in 3 parts of Portland, Oregon 1882, shows the changes in 20yrs
Panorama in 3 parts of Portland, Oregon - OHS Digital Collections
3 photos depict a panoramic view of Portland, Oregon. The Willamette River and Mount Hood are both visible. Scattered houses dot the landscape.
Panorama of Portland and the Willamette River, Oregon. No.1-8
date: 1861-1867 by Carleton E. Watkins
OHS Digital Collections
Access to memory - Open information management toolkit
more C Watkins
OHS Digital Collections
Access to memory - Open information management toolkit
search his name & found this collection,haven't looked at this collection yet
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finally remembered I wanted to look for the book by Ruby Hult in the Atlas Obscura article
it can be read at see link, just need to register it's free to read,good read for more detail
found some info in it about where and what was the pike road, AKA plank road, see links
don't want to post to much from book, b/c don't want to cross the fair use rule
from the book
If Canyon Road is the Pike Road referred to, from what point should one measure the two miles?
Interestingly enough there is a plaque near the center walk in the South Park Blocks in Portland,
at the corner of S.W. Park Avenue and S.W. Jefferson, which reads:
where the block with the plaque is @ sw park & sw jefferson
www.google.com
the book
Lost Mines and Treasures of the Pacific Northwest ruby Hult
info
the great plank road
en.wikipedia.org
www.waymarking.com
Portland Transportation History Timeline
Great Plank Road
This is Canyon Road in 1896.
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The source of her brief account was a note headed ‘““Treasure Chart,” published in the Oregon Historical Quarterly, Volume 41, Page 109
can be purchased here
Volumes 41 through 61, 1940-1960, paperbound, $20.00
www.ohs.org
it can be read at see link, just need to register it's free to read,good read for more detail
found some info in it about where and what was the pike road, AKA plank road, see links
don't want to post to much from book, b/c don't want to cross the fair use rule
from the book
If Canyon Road is the Pike Road referred to, from what point should one measure the two miles?
Interestingly enough there is a plaque near the center walk in the South Park Blocks in Portland,
at the corner of S.W. Park Avenue and S.W. Jefferson, which reads:
where the block with the plaque is @ sw park & sw jefferson
Google Maps
Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.
www.google.com
the book
Lost Mines and Treasures of the Pacific Northwest ruby Hult
info
the great plank road
Canyon Road - Wikipedia
The Great Plank Road - Portland, Oregon - Oregon Historical Markers on Waymarking.com
Waymarking.com is a way to mark unique locations on the planet and give them a voice. While GPS technology allows us to pinpoint any location on the planet, mark the location, and share it with others, Waymarking is the toolset for categorizing and adding unique information for that location.
www.waymarking.com
Portland Transportation History Timeline
Great Plank Road
This is Canyon Road in 1896.
The source of her brief account was a note headed ‘““Treasure Chart,” published in the Oregon Historical Quarterly, Volume 41, Page 109
can be purchased here
Volumes 41 through 61, 1940-1960, paperbound, $20.00
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Idahodutch
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cw0909,
You were asking where to start the 2 mile measurement from.
The map/chart says 2 miles from Portland.
From the Willamette river to the western edge of town wasn’t even a mile…. In 1862.
The center of west Portland is east of Park & Jefferson (the start of the plank road heading towards canyon road route).
From Park and Jefferson, to the edge of town, was less than 800 yards.
Here is a snapshot of GE measurement from the marker at Park & Jefferson, on out canyon road. 2miles puts you up the hill at the Zoo. 👍
The starting point is coming from the other direction….. at the church (one that looks to have a steeple in 1862) then from the church …. Down the road to within 2 miles from Portland. There you used to find …. Old house, barn, and couple of graves, in 1862.
Looks like it might be under the lions exhibit 😂😁 (just kidding)
Idahodutch
PS- According to the map, near the church, is a port…… I don’t know of any port just a couple miles farther west of the zoo on canyon road. ??
Going even 3 miles back from the zoo, only gets you to Raleigh Hills, or cutting cross country, you could get to Saint Vincent Hospital. 🤓
No port 🥴😕
This story is a tough one 🤓🤷🏼♂️👍
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CW0909 Some excellent research utterly fascinating. I love those old photos it like looking through a window back in time. I tried to see if there was Church steeple? in 1867 it was just no clear enough blown up to see. Either that or my eyes was too crap?
Maybe the church was just illustration in the rough crude diagram of Portland and was not as import as we first thought?
This plank road / pike road is perhaps the key? the House, the barn the graves and tree stump?
Fascinating
Crow
Maybe the church was just illustration in the rough crude diagram of Portland and was not as import as we first thought?
This plank road / pike road is perhaps the key? the House, the barn the graves and tree stump?
Fascinating
Crow
Idahodutch
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No port
I got excited about the plank road, but then ….. no port when you need one 🥴🤓
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I though the top of map was north? and the pike road was going east from the river and based on the church yet the steeple was added so it never had a steeple in 1862. In fact as far as i am aware none of churches had steeples back then?
Maybe i had the orientation wrong? maybe the top of map was looking south?
So i am none the wiser as I am not sure where the two miles start from?
Crow.
I though the top of map was north? and the pike road was going east from the river and based on the church yet the steeple was added so it never had a steeple in 1862. In fact as far as i am aware none of churches had steeples back then?
Maybe i had the orientation wrong? maybe the top of map was looking south?
So i am none the wiser as I am not sure where the two miles start from?
Crow.
Idahodutch
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Crow, the map starts on the road to Portland. At or near the starting point is the following:Idahodutch
I though the top of map was north? and the pike road was going east from the river and based on the church yet the steeple was added so it never had a steeple in 1862. In fact as far as i am aware none of churches had steeples back then?
Maybe i had the orientation wrong? maybe the top of map was looking south?
So i am none the wiser as I am not sure where the two miles start from?
Crow.
1. The road to Portland.
2. A church.
3. A port
4. A bunch of short lines (we called them pikes)
That’s at the start. The finish is about 2 miles from Portland. And there is :
1. The road to Portland nearby.
2. The old house nearby.
3. The barn, very nearby.
4. The 2 graves, even closer.
5. The buried money.
That’s what I got anyway. 🤷🏼♂️
Idahodutch
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Crow,
The Milwaukie scenario fits for the church location, and the port. the orchards being there at the place where orchards were shown, is important too, especially in 1862.
It’s just all been built out. 😵💫
I would be interested in if An old house and barn are distinguishable on those old property maps you found ?
Maybe the old barn location could be identified to a close proximity ? 🤷🏼♂️🤓
Idahodutch
Idahodutch.
The Milwaukie scenario fits for the church location, and the port. the orchards being there at the place where orchards were shown, is important too, especially in 1862.
It’s just all been built out. 😵💫
I would be interested in if An old house and barn are distinguishable on those old property maps you found ?
Maybe the old barn location could be identified to a close proximity ? 🤷🏼♂️🤓
Idahodutch
Idahodutch.
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the 2mile start point, and no directional for NESW, just Portland and port, is port short for Portland
the map orientation, not sure don't think north, east maybe, would ya cross on a ferry with 6k
maybe came from the east to west, & the map just shows ya need to know the port.south I
think I read it was marshy, not sure if the marsh was far south or closer to town outskirts
west was farm & herd animals.
If the graves are a family Cemetery on their land, would they put it near a barn.
If east found a stump marker @ Powell Grove Cemetery, was searching S @ the site, instead
of all variations of Sims
it is located in a crazy place
the map orientation, not sure don't think north, east maybe, would ya cross on a ferry with 6k
maybe came from the east to west, & the map just shows ya need to know the port.south I
think I read it was marshy, not sure if the marsh was far south or closer to town outskirts
west was farm & herd animals.
If the graves are a family Cemetery on their land, would they put it near a barn.
If east found a stump marker @ Powell Grove Cemetery, was searching S @ the site, instead
of all variations of Sims
it is located in a crazy place
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found some maps, show some cemeteries
penitentiary,lower left of map
old & new cemetery upper right black lines, near text box
penitentiary & old & new cemetery
digitalcollections.ohs.org
old cemetery , west bank, far left
digitalcollections.ohs.org
still shows old cemetery bottom of map west bank of river
digitalcollections.ohs.org
still shows old cemetery
digitalcollections.ohs.org
new street names, old cemetery not shown
digitalcollections.ohs.org
old cemetery shown
digitalcollections.ohs.org
pic of buildings, bottom row a Catholic church, I dont see it in the view of town
digitalcollections.ohs.org
penitentiary,lower left of map
old & new cemetery upper right black lines, near text box
penitentiary & old & new cemetery
Portland, Washington Co., Oregon, 1854 - OHS Digital Collections
A hand colored city map of Portland. Includes reference table showing the locations of various facilities such as churches, schools, fraternal orga...
old cemetery , west bank, far left
Map of the cities of Portland and East Portland, 1871 - OHS Digital Collections
A city map of Portland and East Portland. The map shows city blocks, railroads, street names, homestead associations, parks, and city boundary lines.
still shows old cemetery bottom of map west bank of river
Map of the cities of Portland and East Portland and the town of Albina, Oregon, 1874 - OHS Digital Collections
A city map of Portland, East Portland, and Albina. The map shows various city boundaries and an inset explains the order of numbering lots.
still shows old cemetery
Map of Portland, Or., 1886 - OHS Digital Collections
A city map of Portland showing Portland, East Portland, and Albina. The map shows city boundaries, wharves, fire limits, railroads, street railways...
new street names, old cemetery not shown
Map of the city of Portland showing new names of streets, 1891 - OHS Digital Collections
A city map of Portland that shows city boundaries, electric and cable car lines, and railroad lines. A note on the bottom right of the map reads, &...
old cemetery shown
Lewis and Dryden's map of Portland and vicinity, 1896 - OHS Digital Collections
A city map of Portland that shows various neighborhoods, county lines, railroads, and electric lines.
pic of buildings, bottom row a Catholic church, I dont see it in the view of town
Portland, Multnomah County, Oregon, 1858 - OHS Digital Collections
A low angle view of Portland and the Willamette River surrounded by 40 vignettes of structures in the city. Part of Kuchel & Dresel's Pacific V...
Idahodutch
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cw0909,found some maps, show some cemeteries
penitentiary,lower left of map
old & new cemetery upper right black lines, near text box
penitentiary & old & new cemetery
Portland, Washington Co., Oregon, 1854 - OHS Digital Collections
A hand colored city map of Portland. Includes reference table showing the locations of various facilities such as churches, schools, fraternal orga...
old cemetery , west bank, far left
Map of the cities of Portland and East Portland, 1871 - OHS Digital Collections
A city map of Portland and East Portland. The map shows city blocks, railroads, street names, homestead associations, parks, and city boundary lines.
still shows old cemetery bottom of map west bank of river
Map of the cities of Portland and East Portland and the town of Albina, Oregon, 1874 - OHS Digital Collections
A city map of Portland, East Portland, and Albina. The map shows various city boundaries and an inset explains the order of numbering lots.
still shows old cemetery
Map of Portland, Or., 1886 - OHS Digital Collections
A city map of Portland showing Portland, East Portland, and Albina. The map shows city boundaries, wharves, fire limits, railroads, street railways...
new street names, old cemetery not shown
Map of the city of Portland showing new names of streets, 1891 - OHS Digital Collections
A city map of Portland that shows city boundaries, electric and cable car lines, and railroad lines. A note on the bottom right of the map reads, &...
old cemetery shown
Lewis and Dryden's map of Portland and vicinity, 1896 - OHS Digital Collections
A city map of Portland that shows various neighborhoods, county lines, railroads, and electric lines.
pic of buildings, bottom row a Catholic church, I dont see it in the view of town
Portland, Multnomah County, Oregon, 1858 - OHS Digital Collections
A low angle view of Portland and the Willamette River surrounded by 40 vignettes of structures in the city. Part of Kuchel & Dresel's Pacific V...
One of the pics you posted a link to … they showed pics of various buildings in Portland. The picture was from the 1850’s
Here is a snip of one of the buildings it showed.
A Catholic Church, with a steeple.
Not to get too excited, but this church was in Portland, not near a port several miles away.
It may be that Port is short for Portland, however, as far as directions go, in the map/chart, East is given …. Where it says the money is 10’ East of the graves
There are not that many ports, that are several miles from Portland.
Two scenarios possible here;
1. Portland is north of this map, and the church is south of Portland near a port.
Or
2. Port is short for Portland, and the house, barn, (2) graves, and the money, are all north of Portland just off the main road heading north at the time. And maybe the steeple church is near the starting point in Portland, not somewhere else. 🤷🏼♂️
In all honesty, if this map is real, then East is East. …… and pretty much, I’m only seeing those two possibilities. 🤓👍
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