Blowing The Cast Iron Lids Off Of Beale

[Rebel - KGC]

Like COLLIDING CIRCLES by the Beatles...

 

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[bigscoop]

....who is the main character in the Beale Papers? "Thomas J. Beale."
The author tells you that his passion of solving ciphers even caused him to "neglect family" and his "business affairs". In 1886 "Thomas J. Beale" even announces in the paper that "his son is finally coming to visit him from Texas", the author also details his "important business affairs" in Richmond, the very same city where "Thomas J. Beale" lives. And there is more if only you can make those connexions that the author has asked you to make. Yes, ECS is accurate when he quotes "unwary reader" but if he looks where he has yet to look he might just discover that he is the unwary reader, and not everyone else.

 

[ECS]

Once again, Bigscoop, as you are so aware and have mentioned to others on these threads, one can not quote the Beale Papers as a source to prove the events detailed in the Beale story are true.
You have stated many times that the Beale story is fiction, and that there never was a treasure, so why waste your time and ours with all these unrelated historical grab bag theories?
As Franklin remarked, " We need a connection and you are not delivering it".

 

[Rebel - KGC]

AGREE!

 

[franklin]

....who is the main character in the Beale Papers? "Thomas J. Beale."
The author tells you that his passion of solving ciphers even caused him to "neglect family" and his "business affairs". In 1886 "Thomas J. Beale" even announces in the paper that "his son is finally coming to visit him from Texas", the author also details his "important business affairs" in Richmond, the very same city where "Thomas J. Beale" lives. And there is more if only you can make those connexions that the author has asked you to make. Yes, ECS is accurate when he quotes "unwary reader" but if he looks where he has yet to look he might just discover that he is the unwary reader, and not everyone else.

Business Affairs in 1886 has nothing to do with the Beale Papers. The Beale Papers state that in 1862 the second year of the Confederate War that the author had "Business Affairs" in Richmond, not 1886,

 

[bigscoop]

......two different audiences, "the wary reader"....and the "unwary reader." The author has done everything but draw you a picture. Some recognize the connections and others don't/won't.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Or... "2nd Year of the CONFEDERATE WAR"... CW: 1861-1865; Hmmm... MAYBE, it was 1863, year that "Robert MORRISS" died. "Deathbed Confession"...? ONLY "noted" death in 1863 was Gen. "Stonewall" Jackson (CSA).

 

[Rebel - KGC]

THAT is why Maj. FC Hutter, CSA ("HEAD" AUTHOR of the BBP) had to return to Richmond, Va. HE was CSA PAYMASTER. "Stonewall" Jackson's body (minus his arm) came down to Lynchburg, Va. via train, then transferred to the "The Marshall" (packet boat) at the 9th Street Bridge to go up river to Lexington, Va./VMI. I think some of the CSA Treasury came down with the body for transportation/burial costs. I think THAT was the FIRST "deposit"... GASP!

 

[Rebel - KGC]

THEN... Lynchburg, Va. was STATE CAPITAL of Virginia, April 7-10, 1865; "Richmond Stores" (CSA TREASURY for WESTERN portion of VIRGINIA + Bank of Virginia Funds) WERE transferred to the GREATER Lynchburg, Va. area by high-ranking CSA Officers (VMI grads, Scottish Rite Masons, maybe KGC) via a packet boat of "war dead" REBELS in coffins. Off-loaded MAINLY at THAXTON SWITCH (THAXTON, Va.). THAT was the SECOND & FINAL "deposit" (GOLD/SILVER/JEWELRY donated by SOUTHERN LADIES, for "The Cause)... GASP!

 

[ECS]

Business Affairs in 1886 has nothing to do with the Beale Papers. The Beale Papers state that in 1862 the second year of the Confederate War that the author had "Business Affairs" in Richmond, not 1886,

If Bigscoop can connect pirates, slave trade, Lafitte, Galveston, Mexican Land Grants, Laflin's forged memoirs, Bonapartist, Champ 'd Asile, Moses Austin, John Wilkes Booth, Olive and Vine Colony, Adams-Onis Treaty, Girard, Patterson and the opium trade with the good ship TORPEDO, he can sure make a "connexion" to Alderman Beale's important "business affairs" a year after Ward published the printed job pamphlet Beale Papers.

 

[ECS]

......two different audiences, "the wary reader"....and the "unwary reader." The author has done everything but draw you a picture. Some recognize the connections and others don't/won't.

Do you have the CLASSIC ILLUSTRATED comic of the Beale Papers?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

LOL!

 

[bigscoop]

Here's what you guys need to dive into "for yourselves"....there was a Thomas J. Beale, originally from Virginia, who was said to have been born in 1826 and died out west in 1884. So who, exactly, was his family out there? Our Thomas J. Beale of Richmond, Virginia, was still alive in 1886 and entertaining a visit of his son from Virginia. So dive hed first into "all of this" and see where it takes you.

I'm sure all of this was in grandpa Risque's fabulous Lynchburg library, along with everything else that the gathering of family authors required on the penning of their local romantic adventure.

 

[ECS]

Bigscoop, this has been covered many times, and just as with the British Thomas Beales you have attempted to place into the story, this Beale as the others are not the Thomas J Beale character of Ward's dime novel job pamphlet of 1885.

 

[bigscoop]

Bigscoop, this has been covered many times, and just as with the British Thomas Beales you have attempted to place into the story, this Beale as the others are not the Thomas J Beale character of Ward's dime novel job pamphlet of 1885.

Then don't dive into it for yourself. Just keep quoting what ever information you can find that's readily available on the internet. However, and without going back and retrieving it, to save you a little face, some of what you posted prior in regards to the TJB of Richmond, "was wrong!"

In one post you had him born in 1823, in another it was 1826, and you even had him dying in 1884. This is when I discovered that you were simply searching and posting whatever you could find without ever really investigating any of it or those sources for yourself. You've become way too trusting of the quick resources and searches you apply. Obviously he didn't die in 1884 if his son was visiting him in 1886.
Although, if St. Louis can be in Virginia then why not?

 

[ECS]

When did I post the Good Alderman of Richmond's Jackson Ward died in 1884?
That was the one year that has been verified having him serve in that position, and for that matter, provided you with the information on this Thomas J Beale.
Was the good Alderman mentioned in Laflin's forged Lafitte memoirs that you cite as a valid source?

Its one thing to make up Beale stories from your historical grab bag, quite another to make up the posts of others.
It is becoming obvious to all that desperation is showing from all these misrepresented quotes that still don't provide credibility to your never ending "connecions".

 

[bigscoop]

When did I post the Good Alderman of Richmond's Jackson Ward died in 1884?
That was the one year that has been verified having him serve in that position, and for that matter, provided you with the information on this Thomas J Beale.
Was the good Alderman mentioned in Laflin's forged Lafitte memoirs that you cite as a valid source?

Its one thing to make up Beale stories from your historical grab bag, quite another to make up the posts of others.
It is becoming obvious to all that desperation is showing from all these misrepresented quotes that still don't provide credibility to your never ending "connecions".

Are you sure you provided me/use with the original alderman Beale information? I was certain Jeff of PA did that. Yes, you did elaborate but it was this elaboration that caused me to look deeper into the matter, just as you should. But if you're happy with what you have then so be it.

 

[ECS]

Ok, I provided the information that the Alderman was a born freeman of color and additional information after Jeff posted that news article.

 

[ECS]

Born 1823 in Richmond, Thomas J Beale who became Jackson Ward Alderman married Sophia Pemberton, October 1, 1851.
They had five children, John T (1852), Charles (1855), Edward(1857), Anne E (1858), and Sarah(1859).
While Thomas J Beale's parents are unknown, it is obvious that Dr John Charles Beales of England, later New York, married Dolores de Soto 1830 in Mexico and raised her daughter from a previous marriage.
Much of the Dr John Charles Beales information is in the links I provided above.
There is NO connection between the Alderman and the Dr and NO connection to Ward's copyrighted 1885 Beale Papers...

Are you now claiming this is not Alderman Thomas J Beale's family?
You do realize that the Thomas J Beale from Botetourt county who moved west was not a born freeman of color as the Jackson Ward Alderman Thomas J Beale?
Nor was he a British born citizen as Dr John Charles Beales of the Mexican land grant.
So how are either of these men related to Ward or to the 1885 Beale Papers adventure/treasure dime novel job pamphlet?

 

[Rebel - KGC]

There is NO "J" in Thomas Beale, Sr's name of Botetourt County, Va.; NOR Thomas Beale, Jr...