Bedrock and Gold: The mysteries . . .

Lanny in AB

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Nugget in the bedrock tip:

I had a visit with a mining buddy this past weekend, and he told me of an epic battle to get a nugget out of the bedrock, and of what he learned from the experience. I thought some of you might like to learn from his mistake.

While out detecting one day, he came across a large sheet of bare bedrock. The bedrock was exposed because the area had been blasted off with a water cannon (a monitor), by the old-timers! It was not fractured bedrock, in fact it was totally smooth.

He was not optimistic at all of the prospects of a nugget. But, for some reason (we've all been there) he decided to swing his detector over that bedrock. After a long time, just as he was about to give up on his crazy hunch, he got a signal, right out of that smooth bedrock.

There was no crevice, no sign of a crevice, nada! So, he had to go all the way back to camp to get a small sledge and a chisel. The signal in the rock intrigued him, but he still wasn't overly optimistic. For those of you that have chased signals in a similar situation, sometimes there's a patch of hot mineralization in the bedrock that sounds off, but this spot, according to him, was sharp and clear right in the middle of the signal, not just a general increase of the threshold like you get when you pass over a hot spot in the bedrock.

Anyway, he made it back to the spot and started to chisel his way into the bedrock. If any of you have tried this, it's an awful job, and you usually wind up with cut knuckles--at the least! Regardless, he kept fighting his way down, busting out chunks of bedrock. He kept checking the hole, and the signal remained very strong.

This only puzzled him all the more as he could clearly see that it was solid bedrock with no sign of any crevice. He finally quit at the end of the day, at a depth of about a foot, but still, nothing in the hole.

An experienced nugget shooting friend dropped by the next morning to see him, and asked him how the hunt was going. My buddy related his tale of the mysterious hole in the bedrock, and told the friend to go over and check it out, and see if he could solve the riddle.

Later in the day, the other nugget hunter returned. In his hand was a fine, fat, sassy nugget. It weighed in at about an ounce and a quarter! After my friend returned his eyeballs to their sockets and zapped his heart to start it again, he asked where the nugget had come from.

Imagine his surprise when he heard it came from the mystery hole!! He asked how deep the other guy had gone into the bedrock to get it. "Well, no deeper" was his reply.

So, here's the rest of the story as to what happened. When the successful nugget hunter got to the bedrock, he scanned the surface got the same strong signal as my buddy. He widened out the hole and scanned again. Still a solid tone. He widened the hole some more so he could get his coil in, and here's the key and the lesson in this story, he got a strong signal off the side of the hole, about six inches down, but set back another inch into the side of the bedrock!!

My unlucky friend, the true discoverer of the gorgeous nugget's resting place had gone deep past the signal while digging his hole!!

Now, of course, a good pinpointer would easily solve this problem. The problem was, my buddy didn't have one, so why would he widen the hole, right? Well, the other guy was the one with more experience, and that's why he did. It was a lot more work, but what a payoff!

So, my buddy's butt is still black and blue from where he kicked himself for the next week or so for having lost such an incredible prize.

Some nugget hunting lessons are harder than others to learn. . . .

All the best,

Lanny


P.S. When in gold country--check the bedrock, regardless of whether it looks likely or not! Mother Nature likes to play games sometimes.

 

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Hey Lanny,
Well finally was able to compile my first bucket (5gal) of cons together. This was from 2-1/2 gallons of dry dirt and another 2-1/2 gallons of damp dirt. My kids had done most of the digging on this trip. I guess this trip goes to their college fund. Lol.

They had a blast. Plus they both got 10 separate gallons for themselves from other areas. When they got done. They said we need to do this more. Lol. I guess this helps burn that extra energy.

That fine gold sure is pretty, and that's quite the hole. You know, it's always fun when you get to dig a little gold with the kids--nothing else like it. So, keep taking them--they'll always remember it.

All the best,

Lanny
 

Lanny
Here's a couple pics of the ore specimen my grandfather got out of a mine many, many years ago. She's wondering what she could do with it. Would you know how to get appraised?
 

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Garrte-D-AZ,

Is the darker material in the specimen gold?/gold and silver? It's hard to tell from the picture. But they sure are some unique looking pieces.

Someone else will have to jump in here to tell you the best place to sell specimens--I don't mind telling you, that's outside my area of expertise.

All the best,

Lanny
 

Hey Lanny. You know after looking at the pics with that light, it seems yellowish. I thought the lighting was ok, but it doesn't do it justice. I'll have to take with a darker background.

It's a sample of copper from a mine my grandfather was in at one point.

I'll try to retake them without the background blending in and some decent lighting.
 

Thanks for the clarification, and I think it's cool you've got that history to hang on to!

All the best,

Lanny
 

Mom and I took that specimen to a jeweler. He was impressed with the size and colors. Some was petina at base and then where there was rock or other material (been removed) it was shiny. I could picture him in the mine grabbing that ore and tapping out that rock.
One of the questions I had and he couldn't answer was the white rock in the grooves. Doesn't seem like quartz. Almost seems like the wax from a beehive but it's definitely rock hard.
The sample was from a mine on the upper peninsula in Michigan.
The jeweler said he got his about half that size and spent 35 on it. I weighed it there but forgot its weight. Ughh. We were weighing some gold out of my dads collection from his shop.
Are jewelers paying 70% on gold now or are we able to get 80 still?
Have 1.3 oz of gold and he wanted to pay 834 +/-. I told her to hold off, because I heard to not accept anything less than 80.
 

Garrett: If you are talking about refined gold (jewellery, coins, scrap etc) there is no reason to accept such a low percentage of spot. Find and build a relationship with a refiner - they pay out very close to spot (over 90 percent, possibly even 97 or 98 percent of spot).
 

Lanny: I've spent the last few weeks reading this thread from the beginning. Like a good book, I've looked forward to spending a couple of hours here and there reading your stories and looking at the spectacular photos you've shared with us. I now find myself at the end of the thread, and also like a good book somewhat wishing that there was more! Thank you for the hours of fascinating adventure, countless prospecting tips, and a great time.
Now that winter is again asserting itself, I look forward to your's and your reader's posts in the coming months. Best of luck and happy hunting!
 

Mom and I took that specimen to a jeweler. He was impressed with the size and colors. Some was petina at base and then where there was rock or other material (been removed) it was shiny. I could picture him in the mine grabbing that ore and tapping out that rock.
One of the questions I had and he couldn't answer was the white rock in the grooves. Doesn't seem like quartz. Almost seems like the wax from a beehive but it's definitely rock hard.
The sample was from a mine on the upper peninsula in Michigan.
The jeweler said he got his about half that size and spent 35 on it. I weighed it there but forgot its weight. Ughh. We were weighing some gold out of my dads collection from his shop.
Are jewelers paying 70% on gold now or are we able to get 80 still?
Have 1.3 oz of gold and he wanted to pay 834 +/-. I told her to hold off, because I heard to not accept anything less than 80.

Thanks for the update and the extra information on the specimen. It sounds like heirloom material as it's so cool.

Check out prices for gold (nuggets or flake) on ebay to see what it's going for. Lots of time, depending on the nugget or the flake gold, it goes for spot, if not more for some nuggets. Of course, you'd have to pay a commission to sell it, so you'll have to factor that in.

I rarely ever sell gold. I've given an awful lot of it away over the years, to family and to kids in prospecting classes, but as I've kept a good collection of gold from various areas over the year, the volume has really added up; however, I alway store it in the bank.

Unless you (or your mom) really need the money, I'm not sure I'd sell that gold of yours regardless.

All the best,

Lanny
 

Lanny: I've spent the last few weeks reading this thread from the beginning. Like a good book, I've looked forward to spending a couple of hours here and there reading your stories and looking at the spectacular photos you've shared with us. I now find myself at the end of the thread, and also like a good book somewhat wishing that there was more! Thank you for the hours of fascinating adventure, countless prospecting tips, and a great time.
Now that winter is again asserting itself, I look forward to your's and your reader's posts in the coming months. Best of luck and happy hunting!

Handcannon--you know, it's people like you that add up to the pay for all of the years I've been hammering out the stories of chasing the gold. I truly appreciate you taking the time to express your gratitude.

Thanks so much, and all the best,

Lanny
 

, I'm not sure I'd sell that gold of yours regardless. All the best, Lanny

Lanny thxs for advice. I don't know why she's wanting to sale the gold. I think partly to help find a decent doctor for me to help with the pain. Lol
I'd rather it go to another sluice or possibly to a GB2. Lol.
The docs can't seem to help me much. So I'll just keep hunting gold till I can't. Actually, I've been wondering about getting a lode claim. This has perked her interest as well. I'm definitely willing to move some material, as long as I can do it. At least I've got my kids to help as well. Lol. Maybe they could learn a couple things.
 

Garrett: If you are talking about refined gold (jewellery, coins, scrap etc) there is no reason to accept such a low percentage of spot. Find and build a relationship with a refiner - they pay out very close to spot (over 90 percent, possibly even 97 or 98 percent of spot).
Trsrseeker
Thx for advice. I'll see if I can find a refiner by my mom or by me and see what we can do.
 

BEST thread EVER... I've had the time of my life reading this thread! thanks everyone! But where has Sushi gone? :(
 

Hey Lanny.
Well I went and got a new sluice. Man what a pleasure it is to run a 5 gallon bucket in 11 minutes instead of an hour. Had to play with the setup a bit since I didn't have a cement tub. So I used two leveling saw horses, a tote (18 gal), and a bucket with 3/16" holes drilled about 3/4 the way from bottom.
Finished the first 18 gal tote in no time. Panned out the cons and got my biggest flake yet out of my hole I've been digging. What a blast!!! I would've attached a pic, but he's asleep at the moment. I'll try to get him to smile later. Granted he's not a nugget, but he smiles like one.

So now I'm getting ready for this weekends trip. Taking my oldest and youngest son and my daughters boyfriend. I think my youngest will be teaching my oldest on what to do. Lol. So another trip to go. Hopefully my sons hole produces more than mine. It is his college fund after all.
 

BEST thread EVER... I've had the time of my life reading this thread! thanks everyone! But where has Sushi gone? :(

It's most sincerely a pleasure, and hanks for dropping in. Moreover, thanks for the fantastic compliment! It's a pleasure to hear from you sir, and thanks for the private message as well--writing stories takes a ton of time, and the reward you've given me is ample compensation. As for the other contributors, they are the welcome spice that gives the zip to the thread.

Sushi has been offline for a while. It would be great if he'd come back and update us--I'm with you on that one.


All the best to you and your spiders down-under,

Lanny
 

Hey Lanny.
Well I went and got a new sluice. Man what a pleasure it is to run a 5 gallon bucket in 11 minutes instead of an hour. Had to play with the setup a bit since I didn't have a cement tub. So I used two leveling saw horses, a tote (18 gal), and a bucket with 3/16" holes drilled about 3/4 the way from bottom.
Finished the first 18 gal tote in no time. Panned out the cons and got my biggest flake yet out of my hole I've been digging. What a blast!!! I would've attached a pic, but he's asleep at the moment. I'll try to get him to smile later. Granted he's not a nugget, but he smiles like one.

So now I'm getting ready for this weekends trip. Taking my oldest and youngest son and my daughters boyfriend. I think my youngest will be teaching my oldest on what to do. Lol. So another trip to go. Hopefully my sons hole produces more than mine. It is his college fund after all.

Fun, fun fun! I'm so glad you're out there living the golden dream. Ain't it great how fast a sluice concentrates all of that unsorted/unclassified dirt? Nothin' quite like it.

Hang in there and one day you'll get a sassy nugget you'll never forget--that's the way it is with the very first one.

All the best,

Lanny
 

Sushi Dog has had a second back surgery and is convalescing from it. He sold his waterproof detector and used the proceeds to purchase his daughter a better detector. I suspect in the future his time in the hills will be minimal......................63bkpkr

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Well today I weighed out my total from 60 gallons of dirt. Got 4-6 grains. I swear when I'm panning theses cons there's more than that. Lol. Honestly thought I had about a quarter ounce minimal. Ughhhhh!! We will run about 50-60 5 gal buckets from my sons/daughters college fund hole. In the last test I did. He had twice the amount what I had. Took 4-5 buckets to get what he got in his two buckets. Sooo. Hopefully this could be good for him.
What would ya do?
I've got other spots to try and I'll explore and test, but being a newbie to this. I wonder if this is a decent return.
Better than nothing for sure. I just enjoy the hunt of it and always hoping for more. Lol
 

Well today I weighed out my total from 60 gallons of dirt. Got 4-6 grains. I swear when I'm panning theses cons there's more than that. Lol. Honestly thought I had about a quarter ounce minimal. Ughhhhh!! We will run about 50-60 5 gal buckets from my sons/daughters college fund hole. In the last test I did. He had twice the amount what I had. Took 4-5 buckets to get what he got in his two buckets. Sooo. Hopefully this could be good for him.
What would ya do?
I've got other spots to try and I'll explore and test, but being a newbie to this. I wonder if this is a decent return.
Better than nothing for sure. I just enjoy the hunt of it and always hoping for more. Lol

Always remember the three rules of prospecting: test, test, test. Now, you've very obviously been doing this in the areas you've already discovered. However, if the pickings are as slim as the results of your last tests, I'd test some new areas for sure.

The other thing about gold is that you need to carefully sample the layers. As it's not always on bedrock, you may go right through a pay layer on your way to bedrock. Do a consistent test all the way down, sampling various layers until you hit the bedrock (if you've hit bedrock). Then, look at the results of your sampling and see if you went through a pay layer higher up. I've done that more than once and had to go back to a higher level where the gold was actually riding.

If that doesn't ID where the best gold is, you may just have to find a new spot to dig.

All the best,

Lanny
 

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