Bedrock and Gold: The mysteries . . .

Lanny in AB

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Nugget in the bedrock tip:

I had a visit with a mining buddy this past weekend, and he told me of an epic battle to get a nugget out of the bedrock, and of what he learned from the experience. I thought some of you might like to learn from his mistake.

While out detecting one day, he came across a large sheet of bare bedrock. The bedrock was exposed because the area had been blasted off with a water cannon (a monitor), by the old-timers! It was not fractured bedrock, in fact it was totally smooth.

He was not optimistic at all of the prospects of a nugget. But, for some reason (we've all been there) he decided to swing his detector over that bedrock. After a long time, just as he was about to give up on his crazy hunch, he got a signal, right out of that smooth bedrock.

There was no crevice, no sign of a crevice, nada! So, he had to go all the way back to camp to get a small sledge and a chisel. The signal in the rock intrigued him, but he still wasn't overly optimistic. For those of you that have chased signals in a similar situation, sometimes there's a patch of hot mineralization in the bedrock that sounds off, but this spot, according to him, was sharp and clear right in the middle of the signal, not just a general increase of the threshold like you get when you pass over a hot spot in the bedrock.

Anyway, he made it back to the spot and started to chisel his way into the bedrock. If any of you have tried this, it's an awful job, and you usually wind up with cut knuckles--at the least! Regardless, he kept fighting his way down, busting out chunks of bedrock. He kept checking the hole, and the signal remained very strong.

This only puzzled him all the more as he could clearly see that it was solid bedrock with no sign of any crevice. He finally quit at the end of the day, at a depth of about a foot, but still, nothing in the hole.

An experienced nugget shooting friend dropped by the next morning to see him, and asked him how the hunt was going. My buddy related his tale of the mysterious hole in the bedrock, and told the friend to go over and check it out, and see if he could solve the riddle.

Later in the day, the other nugget hunter returned. In his hand was a fine, fat, sassy nugget. It weighed in at about an ounce and a quarter! After my friend returned his eyeballs to their sockets and zapped his heart to start it again, he asked where the nugget had come from.

Imagine his surprise when he heard it came from the mystery hole!! He asked how deep the other guy had gone into the bedrock to get it. "Well, no deeper" was his reply.

So, here's the rest of the story as to what happened. When the successful nugget hunter got to the bedrock, he scanned the surface got the same strong signal as my buddy. He widened out the hole and scanned again. Still a solid tone. He widened the hole some more so he could get his coil in, and here's the key and the lesson in this story, he got a strong signal off the side of the hole, about six inches down, but set back another inch into the side of the bedrock!!

My unlucky friend, the true discoverer of the gorgeous nugget's resting place had gone deep past the signal while digging his hole!!

Now, of course, a good pinpointer would easily solve this problem. The problem was, my buddy didn't have one, so why would he widen the hole, right? Well, the other guy was the one with more experience, and that's why he did. It was a lot more work, but what a payoff!

So, my buddy's butt is still black and blue from where he kicked himself for the next week or so for having lost such an incredible prize.

Some nugget hunting lessons are harder than others to learn. . . .

All the best,

Lanny


P.S. When in gold country--check the bedrock, regardless of whether it looks likely or not! Mother Nature likes to play games sometimes.

 

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Eagle--fascinating little story about he bedrock riffles cut into the bedrock--very ingenious. Those sourdoughs really had things figured.
All the best, and thanks for posting that,
Lanny
You're very welcome!! Incidently, after I posted the above, I remembered a place IN THE MERCED RIVER, that I had dredged. At the time, it didn't occur to me what I had found.

Two crevasses going straight across the river. The part that I dredged showed the crevasses to be about 14" wide and about the same in depth. There might have been other man-made crevasses, but I didn't explore the area. (Sometimes, it takes awhile for things to "sink in".) (lol)

Most dredgers know that a river can flood, but most of us don't stop to think that there are also very dry years, where a river can "almost" dry up. A good opportunity for a "49er" to chisel riffles in the bed-rock, simply by putting up a "wing-dam" and diverting half of the river at a time.

Geesh*** What did I miss there?? :dontknow:

I only half-way cleaned about 10 feet of the first one when I ran into a large boulder that was tightly wedged in it. At the time, I had no way to break the boulder out, so since I had only found a couple of (maybe) 1 gram pieces, I moved my dredge to another spot. :BangHead:

Now I have another reason to want dredging restored.

Eagle
 

Morning Lanny and all, I've been thinking about this guy I used to know, Mike. We were both dredging with different partners and in different rivers but lived reasonably close together, and would visit each other to compare notes. His kids were the same age as mine and our wives got along well too. I would go and see him about once a month, and he dropped by my place every week or two. He was keen to learn any little dredging tips from me as I had been doing it for longer than him, though most of what I told him he said he already knew.
It was in the eighties and we were all struggling a little financially. Trying to get those items that the family needed and to improve our living standards where we could. It was getting harder to find a spot to dredge, costs were rising. How we would get our families through the next spell of bad weather when we couldn't dredge was a constant worry.
Mikes dredge was a little better than mine, his dredging partner was more reliable and harder working than mine, his old rattly Landrover was tidier and had a bigger motor than mine. He was always keen to point out these things and take a bit of a superior attitude. So I was not surprised, but a little annoyed, when he would normally do a little better than me in the amount of gold won each week. This wasn't a big problem for me, though I did want to do a little better than him at least some of the time. This I felt I had achieved when I met up with a hunter I had known years back, who told me to try a certain creek I had never heard of before.
I went in there with my trusty shovel and pan, it was a little harder to get to than where I had been working, but it was a pleasant place to work and not subject to drying out when it didn't rain regularly. Best of all though, the gold was there. I got good color in every pan and on the sandstone bottom there was a layer of creamy white clay containing small crushed quartz pebbles. Mixed amongst this were a few nice fat chunks of gold like pumpkin seed, and a good amount of wheat grain sized bits, and smaller but still weighty grains that I knew would pay me well.
So after that my gold returns shot well up, double then triple or more than I had been getting. Strangely though Mike was still getting more, by about the same percentage as before. Suddenly I was remembering that he never told me how much he had won, until I'd revealed my total for the week. If I asked him first he would say he hadn't finished washing his up, or his cousin had his scales, or ten other reasons for not revealing how he had done.
I was doing pretty well in that creek for about 3 weeks, and then I got into a beach that was loaded, just around the corner from a tight gorge, inside corner, a typical spot to find a good amount.
I forgot to say that my buddy had bailed out before I moved to this creek, to go fruit picking as he did every year, so I was working alone. Anyway I was some days getting over an ounce from this beach. I had a good big hole for the tailings behind me and I could pull the larger rocks out of the face and roll most of them back behind me with my feet, only lifting about half of these larger stones. The water was only about four feet deep and I could work comfortably with just a snorkel.
Mike still said he was beating me though! He was at my house and I had just shown him my jar that looked damn impressive, when he said yes he had been getting more than that regularly for the last few weeks! I rushed outside and looked wildly up and down the street, he said what's the matter, what are you looking for? Your Porsche I replied, because if you are getting that much you should be driving a f#^*ing Porsche at the very least. He stopped coming to visit me after that, and I wasn't really sorry.
The creek was very patchy above that good beach and after about 6 really good weeks I had to go back downstream to pick up the good gold again and by the time winter set in I had finished all the best of it. Early that winter though, I was able to buy a tidy late model station wagon and the baby looked comfortable in the nice new pram. Mike I noticed, still drove around in his rattly old Landrover, and I saw him wearing a pair of pants I had given him months before, they were an unfashionable color and hadn't fitted me well. Apparently the price for bull-dust wasn't very good that year, lol.
 

He he he...great story, Nuggy...thanks for the chuckle! :notworthy: :headbang: :notworthy:
 

Nuggy--great little story. Thanks for all of the details about the dredging, and it sounds like you got some great gold to boot! (That little bend was quite the honey hole.)

Your braggin' buddy finally got muzzled, and it sounds like most of the hot air during his dredging wasn't coming from the exhaust of his dredge motor. :laughing7:

Thanks for posting the story, and I hope you get a chance to get some dredging in before your season is over (I hope it's not over yet).

All the best,

Lanny
 

Thanks Lanny and Randyman, thought it might amuse you guys.

It is possible to dredge all year round here with a suit heater in winter Lanny, but to get me into that cold water in winter the gold would have to be pretty darn good. I think if you are going in every day, and the water just gets slowly colder, you get used to it somehow. I never did any mid winter dredging but did work in some pretty cold weather long-arming with waders on. Nuggy
 

Nuggy--that's pretty nice that you can dredge year round--I'm quite envious of that opportunity. But, I'm not the least bit excited about all of that cold water/cold weather work!

Well, all the best Nuggy, and good luck with your endeavors,

Lanny
 

A note to all:

Thanks so much for supporting this thread. I am quite blown away that so many people have stopped in to read the stories and posts. Thanks to all that have taken the time to pull up a chair, relax, and read a bit; as well, thanks to all that have taken the time to post your comments and questions, adding greatly to this thread.

I will be allocating my available time to work on my ideas and stories for my book. Having said that, I have no idea how long it will take to complete the task. So, please feel free to continue to post comments and questions, but I'll be taking a break from posting stories, focusing my efforts on compiling my ideas into book format instead. Nevertheless, I'll check in from time to time to see if anyone has any questions.

All the best, and thanks again to all for your support and your kind words,

Lanny
 

:hello: Thank you Lanny for all the wondrful tales of the past.
Let me know when you get that Britanica done :tongue3:
I will be the first to buy one!!!
:headbang: :notworthy:

Hefty
 

Hefty--it's been so great to have you along on the ride! I wish you luck and fortune while chasing the gold this season, and find some more big ones to boot!

All the best,

Lanny
 

Have a go at it my Friend. In the meanwhile, I'll try to take the edge off by posting pictures and some of my little stories on my thread. Hope to see you "caught up" and posting again soon. We'll all miss you.

By the by, it's now 83 degrees here. :o

Eagle
 

EagleDown said:
Have a go at it my Friend. In the meanwhile, I'll try to take the edge off by posting pictures and some of my little stories on my thread. Hope to see you "caught up" and posting again soon. We'll all miss you.

By the by, it's now 83 degrees here. :o

Eagle

Eagle--I'm so envious of your weather. We just had a big spring storm roar through--freezing rain to ice up the roads, then drifting snow--a real mess.

I'll keep checking on your great stories http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,325842.0.html (this link is for any of you that haven't had a peek. Take the time--it's well worth it--great stories), and thanks for your encouragement.

All the best,

Lanny
 

Hello all.....I guess everyone has just about "wintered over" and we can LQQK forward to some great and adventurous stories from Lanny and Eagle, and of course from the other great members here in Lanny's forum....I know I have had a few significant changes in my life this past winter, and I am ready to go out and hit the dirt....I was planning to go out to Hefty's claim this mining season, but I have not heard hide nor hare from him for the past week or so....I hope all is well with him, and we hear from him soon....ergo, I will resort to my "Plan B" and continue where I left off before I had the gracious invitation to join Mark at his claim....I will make a trip out to an area called "You Bet" that has a nice mining history behind it....most of the area was hydraulic mining, and the scars from all of that hydraulic mining are still so visible after 150 years....there is an area in You Bet that has some significant tunnels dug that were used for diverting the water away from the mining that I want to check out....I have seen the photo's of this area so many times, and since I will be in an area near there, I want to take that little adventure nonetheless....I think I will concentrate on the tailings of these old hydraulic mines, and just check out a few areas of interest....all in all, it will be a great day just getting out and about again.....***On another note....some of us have acquired some new "toys" during the winter, and I am no exception....well....it isn't a big toy, but a toy nonetheless.....I guess I have purchased 3 or 4 pinpointers over the years, but I have not been really happy about any of them....so my recent toy purchase is a Garrett Pro-Pointer for $127.50, with no shipping cost....I bought this because it is "water proof", and this is a feature that I have always sought for a long time.....so i am excited about putting it to the test.....I plan to go out on my adventure in a few days, and will report back on the trip.....I wish everyone well, and LQQK forward to some stories as the mining season begins shortly....SushiDog
 

SushiDog,
I've not heard from Hefty either, his last post being that he was going dredging. I've sent him a couple of posts since then but nothing. I saw him in SacTown at the Anti-Dredging meetings but that was before his post about going out to his site.

Yes new toys - I will be very interested to hear your comments about the Garret Pointer. I purchased the 8 x 14 DD coil for my GMT and I'm itching to test it but just have not had the time. Picture shows the setup I have in the hip-mount configuration.

So Far my job hunting has turned up zero and if it keeps up that way as soon as the mud is dry-ish in the sierras that's where I will be for the summer. Good luck with your adventure at "You Bet" just be safe.........63bkpkr
 

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Sushi! Great to have you back. You've been gone too long. It's nice you've got that new waterproof toy--let us know how it works out for you. I hope you have some luck in that spot where they hydraulic mined--sometimes you can find some genuine bonanzas if you can find a spot where the coarse gold got hung up before it hit their sluice runs (bedrock lip, clay formation, low spot in the bedrock, etc.). Google how to detect and hunt or work hydraulic pits--there's some good articles out there.

Hope you find out where Hefty's at as well.

Well, nice to have you back, and all the best to you,

Lanny
 

63--nice looking toys indeed.

I hope you find some work, but I understand how tough things are as well. However, I hope that when you get out prospecting you find some good stuff, and that you find a bunch of it.

I'll have to post some pictures of my new toys as well. I guess that's what winter's for--getting new toys--I can think of way worse ways to spend my money--might as well spend it on something I'm looking forward to.

All the best,

Lanny
 

63....thanks so much for chiming in, and giving us your show and tell....Hefty and I went to the BLM office the day before he met you at the anti-dredging meeting, and I had one phone call with him about a week ago, and then he vanished....something is very wrong....I know where he lives, and I know where his claim is located, so perhaps I may do some investigating....perhaps I may drive out to the claim instead of making my planned trip to the hydraulic tailings in You Bet.....
***63....I have the very same GMT, and the standard coil that you have in the middle of your pic....your other two coils LQQK good too! I also swing a White's DFX for coin shooting, etc.....if I were you, I would just head for the hills and put the unemployment situation behind you for now....however, that's my opinion, and whatever you decide to do, I really wish you well as Lanny has mentioned in his post to you....
Lanny....thank you for all your kind words, and yes, it's good to get your thread up and running again!!! You are a very gracious and thoughtful guy, and all of us here cherish your wisdom and experience.....and thanks for telling me to bone up on how to detect the tailings! Duh! Why didn't I think of that? (Big Smile!)...it's true! I think I will go to You Tube and find some video's of detecting the tailing area's.....man! it was right there in front of me! ha! ha! ha!....thanks for waking me up out of my dazed brain!....we sure would like to see any toys you may have purchased over the winter, and it sounds like everyone has upgraded something in their toy chest for this mining season....
Well....I will keep everyone updated on my endeavor's, and I am anxious to hear everyone's stories on their adventures as well....I am so deeply grateful to everyone here to make this a safe haven, and a really cool place to go, and special thanks to Lanny for moderating a great thread!!!! and I am deeply grateful for all of the information exchange, and the camaraderie that all of us share....SushiDog
 

Sushi & Lanny,
Thank you both for the kind words and encouragement. I've been looking for work for quite awhile, I'm good at what I do but I'm overqualified. I believe that is a "catch 22" or a vicious circle either way no job so far. I may have an interview this week and I will change my resume for it to down play all that I've done so we will see what we see. I'd pondered on the purchase of the 8 x 14 DD coil for the GMT for some time so when I ordered it I actually stepped over the line dividing a "job" versus prospecting. If a job comes in before the weather allows me to go prospecting then so be it, otherwise I'm out in the hills for several months like late May to September if that is what it takes. I will have to swing that 8 x 14 with the right arm and then the left equal amounts or else the right arm will be bigger than my thigh and the left will look like a toothpick and a used one at that.

As Sushi has already indicated Lanny you have started a marvelous thread and have provided pictures and words that have kept it alive and well and that has brought about much sharing of ideas and techniques and information sites, well done and thank you.

So lets find Hefty! Sushi, the snow is likely in limited shaded spots right out of "the town he goes through last" but it will be more pronounced as one goes higher in elevation. Then the trail above the river is likely slick and just before "his spot" the trail gets iffy and the water is still running at +3000 cfs so the river bank will likely be limited requiring one to hug the hill and go through all that nasty brush. I just called him, got the answering machine, left a message with my # so that means he still needs to be found or at least the most likely places need to be searched. I'm in Walnut Creek and have a few handyman jobs to do this week and then I'm likely to get another call about Mom but if you need help like a 4 wheel drive rig I might be able to do that later in the week.....63bkpkr
 

63....I second everything you said in your post!!!
***I just got a PM from Hefty, and he is fine, thank God!.....it's one of those times when a person needs some time to think and ponder in private, and I think we have all been there....I know I have....SushiDog
 

Hey Sushie,
I'm glad the Rascal has surfaced alive, well and unscathed by man or beast. I will shut down my alert signals and put away the emergency equipment, thanks for the heads up.....63bkpkr
 

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