Bedrock and Gold: The mysteries . . .

Lanny in AB

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Nugget in the bedrock tip:

I had a visit with a mining buddy this past weekend, and he told me of an epic battle to get a nugget out of the bedrock, and of what he learned from the experience. I thought some of you might like to learn from his mistake.

While out detecting one day, he came across a large sheet of bare bedrock. The bedrock was exposed because the area had been blasted off with a water cannon (a monitor), by the old-timers! It was not fractured bedrock, in fact it was totally smooth.

He was not optimistic at all of the prospects of a nugget. But, for some reason (we've all been there) he decided to swing his detector over that bedrock. After a long time, just as he was about to give up on his crazy hunch, he got a signal, right out of that smooth bedrock.

There was no crevice, no sign of a crevice, nada! So, he had to go all the way back to camp to get a small sledge and a chisel. The signal in the rock intrigued him, but he still wasn't overly optimistic. For those of you that have chased signals in a similar situation, sometimes there's a patch of hot mineralization in the bedrock that sounds off, but this spot, according to him, was sharp and clear right in the middle of the signal, not just a general increase of the threshold like you get when you pass over a hot spot in the bedrock.

Anyway, he made it back to the spot and started to chisel his way into the bedrock. If any of you have tried this, it's an awful job, and you usually wind up with cut knuckles--at the least! Regardless, he kept fighting his way down, busting out chunks of bedrock. He kept checking the hole, and the signal remained very strong.

This only puzzled him all the more as he could clearly see that it was solid bedrock with no sign of any crevice. He finally quit at the end of the day, at a depth of about a foot, but still, nothing in the hole.

An experienced nugget shooting friend dropped by the next morning to see him, and asked him how the hunt was going. My buddy related his tale of the mysterious hole in the bedrock, and told the friend to go over and check it out, and see if he could solve the riddle.

Later in the day, the other nugget hunter returned. In his hand was a fine, fat, sassy nugget. It weighed in at about an ounce and a quarter! After my friend returned his eyeballs to their sockets and zapped his heart to start it again, he asked where the nugget had come from.

Imagine his surprise when he heard it came from the mystery hole!! He asked how deep the other guy had gone into the bedrock to get it. "Well, no deeper" was his reply.

So, here's the rest of the story as to what happened. When the successful nugget hunter got to the bedrock, he scanned the surface got the same strong signal as my buddy. He widened out the hole and scanned again. Still a solid tone. He widened the hole some more so he could get his coil in, and here's the key and the lesson in this story, he got a strong signal off the side of the hole, about six inches down, but set back another inch into the side of the bedrock!!

My unlucky friend, the true discoverer of the gorgeous nugget's resting place had gone deep past the signal while digging his hole!!

Now, of course, a good pinpointer would easily solve this problem. The problem was, my buddy didn't have one, so why would he widen the hole, right? Well, the other guy was the one with more experience, and that's why he did. It was a lot more work, but what a payoff!

So, my buddy's butt is still black and blue from where he kicked himself for the next week or so for having lost such an incredible prize.

Some nugget hunting lessons are harder than others to learn. . . .

All the best,

Lanny


P.S. When in gold country--check the bedrock, regardless of whether it looks likely or not! Mother Nature likes to play games sometimes.

 

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Hefty1 said:
:laughing7: Great story Lanny :icon_thumleft:
Did you ever find out why or what he was doing?

Hefty

Nope--he was a drifter--wasn't anyone local. He drifted out and moved on, and took his raw talent with him.

All the best,

Lanny
 

Late night swearing and drunkenness, sounds like a bad habit he got into. Hopefully you helped him break the cycle, lol.

Great stuff Lanny, thanks - Nuggy
 

It never occurred to me that the "bears" might be a herd of horses. :laughing9:
It's truly amazing the blood chilling scenarios a mind can come up with in the dark of the night. (lol)
On my first trip to the Merced, I arrived after dark, built a small fire and whipped up a quick dinner. By the time I finished eating, my only thought was; bed!! So, like a rank tender-foot, I covered the coals and left the pot, plate and utensils beside the fire ring. Around 1am I was awakened, rather rudely I might say, by a couple dozen punk-rockers screaming, while they madly slammed their cymbals together.

I grabbed my .357 mag. Ruger and dashed out of the tent with intent. Only to find 3 racoons busily cleaning the pot and plate that I'd been too lazy to clean. Oh well, lesson learned!! From now on, if I don't want night visitors, I'll lock my dirty dishes up in the cab of the truck. :laughing9: :laughing9:

I don't know what the problem is, but I am still not being notified of your posts. I guess I'll just have to check in on a daily basis.

Great story my friend. Yep, when you're in the wild, animals are not always the biggest threat.

Eagle
 

nuggy said:
Late night swearing and drunkenness, sounds like a bad habit he got into. Hopefully you helped him break the cycle, lol.

Great stuff Lanny, thanks - Nuggy

Well Nuggy--at least it sounds like a habit anyway--I don't think he was drunk--he was enjoying himself too much!!
And, he was broke of it long enough to leave us alone for the rest of our trip.

All the best,

Lanny
 

Hefty1 said:
:coffee2: Used to be my old habits. Yea Nuggy, bright lights broke that habit !!!

Hefty

You left your old habits behind? Are you sure that wasn't you on the bike? :icon_scratch: Just kidding Hefty!

All the best,

Lanny
 

Eagle--nice comments, and it's nice to meet someone else that's had the Wild Kingdom run-ins!

I really enjoyed your story about the raccoons, and I want you to know that I've had unwanted visitors as well. In fact, if I ever get around to it, I'll write up the story of how we tried to outsmart two pack-rats. Guess who won that one?

Sorry you're not getting notifications about the stories--maybe you need to contact site admin.

All the best, and thanks again for your kind words,

Lanny
 

Hey Lanny
Maybe it was :laughing9: I sure did some crazy stuff back then.
Naw .....I would have been on my Harley makin alot more noise.

Hefty
 

Hefty1 said:
Hey Lanny
Maybe it was :laughing9: I sure did some crazy stuff back then.
Naw .....I would have been on my Harley makin alot more noise.

Hefty

Well Hefty, instead of problems with bears and horses, I'd have had hog problems to boot! :laughing9: :tongue3:

All the best,

Lanny
 

Lanny in AB said:
If there's gold on that mountaintop, that 4000 of yours will sure find it if the ground is extreme.
Thanks so much for the email address and the kind invitation--very generous of you.
All the best,
Lanny

Sadly, I wasn't invited, But if I were, I would be thrilled to meet both of you on the mountain!!

As I said earlier, it's about time for me to find new "stomping grounds". :walk:

Love and Respect,

Eagle
 

Hi there Eagle. Kind and generous people invite me to hang out with them from time to time--I sincerely appreciate their invitations. And, it will be great on that fine day when you and I get to meet to swap some yarns and chase some gold!

All the best my friend, and keep writing those fantastic stories of yours,

Lanny
 

A special message to all:

63bpkr asked me to post some information on the proposed yellow-legged frog legislation and land usage concern; as well as, information on the two connected issues--that of the frog, and the dredging ban. So, I will include the three links to his posts on the issues. For those of you that can, he'd like you to add your voices to the voices of others acting decisively on these twin issues.

Moreover, there are many studies that prove that high levels of input from voters really makes a significant difference--just as there are ample stats that prove that when hardly anyone responds, those in power assume that no one really cares!

Please have a look at his links, make up your decision on what your action will be, and then please remember to act as this opportunity for input is governed by a rigid time limit. Please read his threads carefully, as there is important information on the proper ways to respond, so that your opinion counts.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,389345.0.html

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,389342.0.html

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,389342.0.html


All the best,

Lanny
 

Hello Lanny,
Thank you again for your help with what is going on in California right now. CA is not the only place in the U.S. where local governments or the federal governments are performing land grabs, Check out utah1026's post on this site.

Attached are a few historic pictures of some of my adventures for your and everyones entertainment.......63backer

6364 my 1992 Bronco out in the hills
7026 Camp "out there" on the Wildcat
7098 Wildcat at the Top
NFAR 2001 Paradise, this is only part of a 200' waterfall at the back end of a box canyon, rappelling over the cliff is the best way in
6398 2007 I'm holding my Great Grandson with a wonderful grandson in the background
 

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No problem BCKPKR--glad to help out.

Love your pictures--fantastic scenery, and I see you placed the 24k gold photo as the last one on the list--congratulations you lucky man--people are worth far more than things, even gold!

All the best,

Lanny
 

I've been doing some reading and research (the part I'm in now is about hydraulic mining) about a goldfield (in a rare, out of print book) I worked in the 1890's. And, before I lose the references I thought I'd share something quite fascinating that I came across.

In one of the references, a company of men was hired to cut a bedrock drain for a hydraulic operation. Well, that seems pretty straightforward, right? You just get the crew in there and they cut out a trench from solid rock to drain tons of water to stop the huge hydraulic wash from pooling, thus halting their ability to sluice.

Well, apparently the work was going just fine (I've seen these cuts before and they're anywhere from 3-4 feet, to 8-9 feet deep--occasionally I've run across others that are deeper, but in my experience, they're rare), and this was in bedrock that had already been cleaned, as in that particular area, the pay-dirt was shallow to bedrock--three to four feet, and they were getting lots of coarse gold (heavy gold as they called it).

So, they had to cut 300 feet of bedrock drain--that's quite a cut, no matter who you've got swinging the sledges or picks. Well, what's fascinating to me about this account is that it goes on to state that the crew was cutting through the bedrock (and this part is not stated, so what follows must be implied), and they must have started to see pay trapped low down in the bedrock.

(In that area, pay-dirt is often very easy to identify as it's usually packing clay and it's a very orange color.) Because the narrator goes out of his way to say that the cutting-crew was toiling in ground that had previously been worked--the author wanted no misunderstanding on that point. Regardless, enough gold was found hidden in the bedrock to pay the expenses of the entire project!

Now, that piece of information, all by itself, is interesting enough, but a bit later on in the chapter, they're discussing some information about the Chinese claim holders and some of their workings. The Celestials (as they were called) also were working in a bedrock area that had already been worked, and yet, when their crew completed their cut, they were rewarded with 625 ounces of gold that had been cached there by Mother Nature.

So, I'm reading these stories, and I'm thinking, "Holy jumpin'--those oldtimer's must have been in one heck of a hurry to work that bedrock to leave so much gold behind!" But, then I get thinking about the bedrock I've broken and worked by hand, and unless you get some surface indication that there's gold under solid bedrock (and those oldtimer's would have only had hand tools as it was the shallow diggins' outfits that had worked that area); well, if I was staring that much back-breaking work in the face, I'd rather look somewhere else where I know for sure there's a crevice to break open (or head to easier diggin's up the road, which is what most of them always did) before I'd just launch into chewing up bedrock for six or eight feet.

Nevertheless, it really makes me wonder what's buried under washed gravel and rock that's deposited all over that early ground that was worked by hand!! Yikes, it makes my mind really spin.

Just thought I'd share this with you--I'm sure some of you are familiar with similar situations, but this one really jarred me.

All the best,

Lanny
 

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all it takes is one good one ! that would be incredible . just imagine -that's a big pay for some big work .there will be spots like there here and there in any gold bearing region. time to get busy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

strickman said:
all it takes is one good one ! that would be incredible . just imagine -that's a big pay for some big work .there will be spots like there here and there in any gold bearing region. time to get busy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely right strickman. One thing I've never seen in any of the many threads that I've read, (and it is covered in the 1872 mining laws about trespassing on a mining claim,) is that the "old timers" use to cut riffles (gold traps,) in the bedrock of streams, so that when the spring run-off was over, they could uncover the riffles and collect the newly deposited gold.

I don't remember exactly where it was, but I was fortunate enough to find some of these riffles in a creek bed near Mariposa many years ago. I only got a little gold out of it, as the run-offs had worn the riffles to where the edges and bottoms were rounded beyond the ability to trap much gold.

If you ever run across any of these obviously man-made riffles, don't be like me and just clean them out and then forget about them. It would probably be worth the effort of taking a chisel and "squaring" them off again, then covering them with sand and gravel until the next run-off.

Remember that the "old timers" had plenty of experience and weren't dumb when it came to collecting gold.

Eagle
 

Eagle--fascinating little story about the bedrock riffles cut into the bedrock--very ingenious. Those sourdoughs really had things figured.

All the best, and thanks for posting that,

Lanny
 

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