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Beale Poll....Fact or Fiction?

I believe the Beale codes and story is.......

  • True, just as it was written.

    Votes: 8 21.6%

  • Partially true, but relating to a different event.

    Votes: 9 24.3%

  • A complete fabricated hoax.

    Votes: 12 32.4%

  • A fabricated hoax that still contains two real unsolved messages.

    Votes: 8 21.6%
  • Total voters
    37
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bigscoop said:
Kind of interesting. Nearly 50-50..........52.5% believe there was at least some measure of truth to the tale, while 47.5% believe it was a hoax of some type. 72.5% of those polled don't believe the entire tale could be true, while 27.5% are still holding onto the notion that it was all true.
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LOL! Wanna "play da Lottery"?
 

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What I find interesting are the many different directions the tale has taken, and continues to take. It seems everywhere we look we can find a Beale Papers connection of some type if we really set our minds to it.
 

bigscoop said:
I'm not sure I buy into the theory that neither C1 & C3 hold enough code to produce the information they are suppose to contain. Here's why:

C1 has more then enough text to offer the location of the vault, especially if the location was a location that was already know and familiar to the recipient of the secret. For this very reason, "if" C1 contains a true clear text then I expect C1 will also contain a short explanation as well. Not because it has too little text, but because it has too much.


C3 has more then enough text to offer the names and residences of thirty "associates". For instance if I had thirty partners with offices in the same one or two buildings then I wouldn't need near the space VS thirty completely different residences. In fact, if those thirty names and residences were already avaliable somewhere else then all I would need to do is to tell you where to find that information.

Just more food for thought.
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I've always thought that he said he put the beneficiarys in C3 so that you would waste time on C1 and not on C3. I'm guilty of not paying attention to it myself!
 

wacouta said:
I've always thought that he said he put the beneficiarys in C3 so that you would waste time on C1 and not on C3. I'm guilty of not paying attention to it myself!
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But, since according to the unknown author, that the ciphers had no order until the he assigned 1,2,3 to them according to their length, how can we be sure which one is 1 and which one is 3? The author presents them as 1 & 3 but if his account is true then he really has no way of being sure. The fact that he is sure should tell us something about the author and the story, and possibly even the ciphers. :icon_thumright: Not saying it's all a hoax, only that the author possibly knew a great deal more then he was letting on.
 

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bigscoop said:
But, since according to the unknown author, that the ciphers had no order until the he assigned 1,2,3 to them according to their length, how can we be sure which one is 1 and which one is 3? The author presents them as 1 & 3 but if his account is true then he really has no way of being sure. The fact that he is sure should tell us something about the author and the story, and possibly even the ciphers. :icon_thumright: Not saying it's all a hoax, only that the author possibly knew a great deal more then he was letting on.
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He DID! LOL!
 

Compare with the HART PAPERS (how the pages were numbered)...

Sgt. Hazlewood (CSA) ALREADY knew that "IT" was buried on his land near the Peaks of Otter, & asked Clayton HART to make some copies of "figures" on several sheets of paper; NOTHING about the Beale Expedition or THAT history/story. Just a story of two TH'ers looking for "IT".
Written by George HART in 1952 (HART PAPERS), the dynamite story is hilarious!
 

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Keeping within the "box" of the BEALE PAPER(S); read Josiah Gregg's COMMERCE OF THE PRAIRIES: A POSSIBLE Source for the BEALE PAPERS (PDF) (By 1885...) LATER!
 

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bigscoop said:
But, since according to the unknown author, that the ciphers had no order until the he assigned 1,2,3 to them according to their length, how can we be sure which one is 1 and which one is 3? The author presents them as 1 & 3 but if his account is true then he really has no way of being sure. The fact that he is sure should tell us something about the author and the story, and possibly even the ciphers. :icon_thumright: Not saying it's all a hoax, only that the author possibly knew a great deal more then he was letting on.
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Good point! I tried to figure out which was the correct order by making a facimile of the DOI with just the first 200 words for simplicitys sake and then I connected the dots as they are written going off the paper for the high numbers and you can try that yourself. All I was able to determine was that he must of used the DOI as the sheet because if you put it in 10's say the lines get cut off. Also, if you remember "the G, the B and the U" what if the list of names were names in a cemetery? Like Ike Clanton and you went to the grave and there was a unmarked grave next door? of course you have to be respectful of the dead in any case. But that would give you a concise exact map in a few words.
 

wacouta said:
Good point! I tried to figure out which was the correct order by making a facimile of the DOI with just the first 200 words for simplicitys sake and then I connected the dots as they are written going off the paper for the high numbers and you can try that yourself. All I was able to determine was that he must of used the DOI as the sheet because if you put it in 10's say the lines get cut off. Also, if you remember "the G, the B and the U" what if the list of names were names in a cemetery? Like Ike Clanton and you went to the grave and there was a unmarked grave next door? of course you have to be respectful of the dead in any case. But that would give you a concise exact map in a few words.
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The "G", the "B", the "U"......?
Put it in 10"s.......?
You lost me at hello! :laughing7: I have no idea what any of that is relating to? :icon_scratch:
 

bigscoop said:
The "G", the "B", the "U"......?
Put it in 10"s.......?
You lost me at hello! :laughing7: I have no idea what any of that is relating to? :icon_scratch:
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LOL! Great Britain... U(nited Kingdom)... by 1885, it was the United States, again.

Think the REBS would wanna give "THEIR" Confederate "assets" back to the USA? LOL!
 

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THUS... the BEALE PAPER(S); "If you want it. come & get it... better hurry 'cause it's going fast!" (Song by Badfinger - a BRIT "Beatles-like" Band on APPLE). BEAtLEs = BEALE; LOL! BRIT humor...
 

THEN, the INNER CIRCLE became the LITERARY CIRCLE of writers, offering "clues"; you just gotta look for it. We KNOW that Mark Twain was doing a tour, is/was from Missouri. and in 1884/85 was writing/releasing HUCKLEBERRY FINN; (hint, hint), saying something like "every boy got looking for hidden treasure, in his blood"... or SOMETHING like that. (UPDATE): From THE ADVENTURES OF TOM SAWYER... "There comes a time in every rightly constructed boy's life
when he has a raging desire to go somewhere and dig for HIDDEN treasure." In the RECONSTRUCTION period post CONFEDERATE WAR, there is/was a "sense" of urgency... WHAT TO DO? Release info to general public? 1885... WHAT?!!!
 

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But consider the story, the period the events were said to have taken place, 1817 - 1822, add the 10 year term, makes this 1832. This is the critical information that can lead you to the source. The two dates of deposit, another set of critical details that directly connect to the events surrounding the source. The period value of the two deposits, again, can be directly compared to the source and their need to move it from west to east. !862 - 63, and the original source is in Richmond trying to conclude important business affairs involving large transactions from as far back as 1803. 1885, and the same original source is once again in Richmond. 1816, and the original source is in Lynchburg. 1863, the original source is desperately trying to buy property in the Lynchburg/Bedford area. And this list goes on and on. 1829 - 1830, several members from the original source are in Richmond concluding important business affairs that involves large sums of money.
 

It was indeed a very enterprising affair.
 

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