beach find

[gus]

I found this today at the beach. Its just under an inch in diameter. I thought it was a band from the face of a watch but google shows the Gordiana III 238-244 was a roman emperor. The two marks at the base are too small to see in the photo. The one on the right is "* 1002 Al" Material looks like gold. Ideas?
thanks ahead of time

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

We are left at a disadvantage here because we cannot see the markings. Do you have a flower icon logo on your camera settings?

Its good that its gold. I didnt realize an ancient Roman coin would be perfectly round.

 

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just got some new information. my local jewler said the small mark on the right is an italian stamp meaning 18K. The other is a makers stamp. He thinks this was a band mounted around the coin and obviously it did not stay attached. Too bad did not find the coin but its 18 K which is nice for scrap.

I hope it didn't have the real deal mounted in there, judging by the mount, it could very well have still a good find

SS

 

[gus]

the camera we have has a macro setting but it just does not focus onto the marks. Guess i need a better camera or a tripod. Here is a link to come coin jewlery which likely is similar to what this came from.http://www.johnbmcnamara.com/pages2/cpr135.htm
i imagine if you looked hard enough you could maybe find an actual example.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

the camera we have has a macro setting but it just does not focus onto the marks. Guess i need a better camera or a tripod.

I think I can help you with your photography. I have helped many members here take quality pictures.

Its possible that you are pushing the shutter button too quickly. Its a common mistake. You need to push it halfway and pause slightly to allow the lens to focus and then push down the rest of the way. You need to keep the camera perfectly still during this process. A tripod is nice but not necessary. I use my elbows on the table for support.

Proper lighting+Macro setting+steady camera+pause slightly=great pictures

What type of camera do you have? Some cameras have a flower icon but its not really a macro lens... its fake.

What you see on the LCD screen is what you will get. Watch your shadows. Pause halfway and let the camera focus. It should work.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Here is a link to come coin jewlery which likely is similar to what this came from.http://www.johnbmcnamara.com/pages2/cpr135.htm
i imagine if you looked hard enough you could maybe find an actual example.

I have been searching but its hard to search without makers marks. So far I havent been able to find a link connecting * 1002 AL with Italian jewelry.

I see what you mean about the coin bezel pendant idea and I agree its most likely but where is the pendant hook? Can you see a place where it broke off?

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Its an interesting "What Is It" and I hope we get more member participation to get this mystery solved. BTW what is d.c.? Is that Latin?

 

[gus]

dc despues cristo (after christ). I think this was mounted on a larger piece that had the hook. It was an insert so to speak. As to the camera its a cannon power shot. tried some more photos no luck. I might have misread the stamp. Our jeweler knows he stuff and he went and looked and came back saying the stamp was italian mark for 18 K. I believe he read it differently from what I reported but I don't have a loop to verify.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Coin bezel sounds like the most logical explanation. It would be cool to know more about it.

Some cameras have a "fake" macro setting. Maybe thats what you have.

 

[gus]

no luck with a good close up. I think this mayhave been mounted on the back of the coin to give the owner info. Front could have been a fancy mounting. Is there an index of italian makers marks??

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

no luck with a good close up. I think this mayhave been mounted on the back of the coin to give the owner info. Front could have been a fancy mounting. Is there an index of italian makers marks??

I dont know but any markings would give us more key search words, letters and/or numbers.
It does look like it would be on the back.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

The links seem to be for silver only but maybe a clue.

Your mark looks like the Italian Official Marks
polygon with 'star'
star / number / province

Your mark resembles the 1968-present. Alessandria?
http://www.925-1000.com/Fitalian_marks_01.html

http://www.silvercollection.it/italianhallmarks.html


found this:

18K, 18ct or 750 (parts per 1000) or 75% gold. (Most quality pieces are 18ct. Minimum gold standard for sale in Italy.)

Also: Next to the gold hallmark, a manufacturer might have their company's initials or country where the item was manufactured; such as 14k Italy or 750 Italy.

Note: Many times in the past, customers have told me that Italian gold is only manufactured in 18K or 750. This is a myth. In Italy, for their own consumption, this is true, but for export to the United States, Italy produces both 14K and 18K.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I think Al is the the italian province Alessandria where the goldsmith was registered. After 1934, each gold or silversmith was assigned a number in Italy. 1002 must be the goldsmith's number. After 1968 a five pointed star * was added to the left.

So far we know its post-1968 18K Italian jewelry. Possibly a coin bezel.


http://www.antique-jewelry-investor.com/identifying-gold-hallmarks-comments.html

 

[gus]

sounds right. I will try and get a better photo but that won't be for a week or so. thanks for the help. think we are close on this one

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

I think this was mounted on a larger piece that had the hook. It was an insert so to speak.

Maybe it came off an Italian bracelet like this.
http://www.prices4antiques.com/jewe...in-Terminal-Bezels-signed-6-inch-D9878001.htm


This is a possibility because its incribed on the back. An 18kt gold and ancient coin bracelet, Bulgari, designed as tubogas links with ancient coin terminals, reverse of each bezel inscribed "ROMA CONSTANTINUS I AUG" / "A.D. 306-337,"

This is just about solved.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Gus, I think you found a bezel from an authentic Bulgari. BTW what state are you in? Go back and find the rest.

http://us.bulgari.com/productList.j...4-__&shopMode=true&countProd=10&viewMode=true

 

[gus]

i agree should mark it as solved. it came from a beach in mexico but i think the backing just fell off. Too bad since the whole thing would have been very nice. Still 18 K.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

i agree should mark it as solved. it came from a beach in mexico but i think the backing just fell off. Too bad since the whole thing would have been very nice. Still 18 K.

Yea probably. I wonder if it was glued or what? On the beach items are always moving so unless its very recently lost it would be hard to find the rest anyway. At least we solved the mystery but I dont know the date these were made.

 

[gus]

just a fyi. did a little better job on the marks on the object.