Back from our trip/ we have proof the Vikings were here before the Templars

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Is one end of this tunnel on Oak Island?

Because that would make this thread somewhat connected to the sub-forum where it is found. Neat!

 

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[Raparee]

So. These photos of the split rocks are being presented as evidence of Norse at New Ross. What is it about these particular stones that scream "Viking" so loud that all other possibilities have been rejected? How are these stones unique to the Norse? Why is this proof of a Viking presence?

 

[lokiblossom]

So. These photos of the split rocks are being presented as evidence of Norse at New Ross. What is it about these particular stones that scream "Viking" so loud that all other possibilities have been rejected? How are these stones unique to the Norse? Why is this proof of a Viking presence?

They do seem to be of a construction that the locals don't remember!

Cheers, Loki

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

So that makes them at least 90 years old!

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

I am willing to believe . . . as soon as an image is posted. Or a third party reference is offered.

In the mean time I give the gentleman's assumption that one poster would not intentionally deceive another and be a lying scoundrel or unfortunate individual so divorced from reality as to believe insane nonsense . . . though as an advocate to scientific processes I adhere to requiring eventual evidence to support an incredible claim.

I am SURE it will be forthcoming.

Any time now . . .





Any time.

 

[lokiblossom]

So that makes them at least 90 years old!

No, I meant before a common memory, the memory of Charing Cross (New Ross) as a community. For instance, whatever construction they served was not mentioned in Caroline Leopold's "History of New Ross".

Cheers, Loki

 

[Raparee]

For instance, whatever construction they served was not mentioned in Caroline Leopold's "History of New Ross".

So because it wasn't mentioned in Leopold's book, it has to be Viking? Maybe splitting that stone was such a mundane and expected activity over the recorded history that it just didn't merit mention. Farmers had to bust up rock all the time ... to clear fields, to make material for home and barn foundations, to sell for some extra cash... What were the thought processes behind rejecting these plausible explanations in favour of this Viking Stonehenge?

 

[Smithbrown]

I am not sure that being or not being mentioned in one book constitutes adequate evidence. Perhaps it was so obviously new building that no one would bother mentioning it. Can you show us identical but definite Viking stonework like this?

 

[lokiblossom]

So because it wasn't mentioned in Leopold's book, it has to be Viking? Maybe splitting that stone was such a mundane and expected activity over the recorded history that it just didn't merit mention. Farmers had to bust up rock all the time ... to clear fields, to make material for home and barn foundations, to sell for some extra cash... What were the thought processes behind rejecting these plausible explanations in favour of this Viking Stonehenge?

I didn't mention Viking, but don't forget the stone foundations, also not in the common memory!

Cheers, Loki

 

[Pippin]

I didn't mention Viking, but don't forget the stone foundations, also not in the common memory!

Cheers, Loki

I thought that at one time there was a blacksmith shop there. That could explain the foundations as they would have needed stables.

I know of old foundations the builders of which have been lost in time. So can I assume that they were made by Templars or Vikings? Of course not. There's old foundations all though Nova Scotia.

 

[lokiblossom]

I thought that at one time there was a blacksmith shop there. That could explain the foundations as they would have needed stables.

So are you saying there was a blacksmith shop and stables on Joan's foundations?
Cheers, Loki

 

[petetherocker]

I am willing to believe . . . as soon as an image is posted. Or a third party reference is offered.

In the mean time I give the gentleman's assumption that one poster would not intentionally deceive another and be a lying scoundrel or unfortunate individual so divorced from reality as to believe insane nonsense . . . though as an advocate to scientific processes I adhere to requiring eventual evidence to support an incredible claim.

I am SURE it will be forthcoming.

Any time now . . .





Any time.

Still waiting....

Bueller.....Bueller..........

 

[Smithbrown]

Yes, still waiting to see pictures of dated structures from the Viking period showing those marks in stone.

Of course, here in the United Kingdom, we have many, many ruins. So this means we can also see the back of facing stones. And no, off hand I have never seen a stone facing into the interior with that mark.

Boring, waiting, isn't it?

 

[Pippin]

So are you saying there was a blacksmith shop and stables on Joan's foundations?
Cheers, Loki

What I am saying is that there was a blacksmith shop there and the foundations could be stables or really any sort of outbuilding, such as livestock holding pens. Here's a quote that I found.

"Historian Brian Cuthbertson offers a reasonable alternate explanation for the foundations and presence of iron tools. Cuthbertson, in "Voyages to North America Before John Cabot: Separating Fact from Fiction," asserts that the Harris property was once the site of a blacksmith shop, which handily explains both the stone ruins and the iron implements found there (1944: 136). In the spring of 1817, a letter from Charles Morris, Surveyor General of Nova Scotia, requested that Lieutenant Ross find a suitable location for Daniel McKay, blacksmith (Cuthbertson 1994: 143). The 1860 survey map by John Lawson shows a property allotted to a Daniel McKay, one property up from the cross roads, in approximately the same location as the present day property (Lawson 1860). The presence of blacksmithing at the site could also offer an explanation for the charcoal/ash pit found by both the Harris and Keddy/Dickie excavations (Hope 1997:80 and Finnan 1999:15)."

In addition you assert that the Templars lived in this settlement for many years. They would have had to be provisioned. Here's a link to a NS government page that explains the difficulty that Captain Ross and his settlers had in New Ross. Even with government support very few of the original inhabitants stayed because of the extreme conditions. But yet we are to believe that in 1408 this settlement would thrive.

https://museum.novascotia.ca/resources/nova-scotia-and-war-1812/new-ross

 

[lokiblossom]

What I am saying is that there was a blacksmith shop there and the foundations could be stables or really any sort of outbuilding, such as livestock holding pens. Here's a quote that I found.

"Historian Brian Cuthbertson offers a reasonable alternate explanation for the foundations and presence of iron tools. Cuthbertson, in "Voyages to North America Before John Cabot: Separating Fact from Fiction," asserts that the Harris property was once the site of a blacksmith shop, which handily explains both the stone ruins and the iron implements found there (1944: 136). In the spring of 1817, a letter from Charles Morris, Surveyor General of Nova Scotia, requested that Lieutenant Ross find a suitable location for Daniel McKay, blacksmith (Cuthbertson 1994: 143). The 1860 survey map by John Lawson shows a property allotted to a Daniel McKay, one property up from the cross roads, in approximately the same location as the present day property (Lawson 1860). The presence of blacksmithing at the site could also offer an explanation for the charcoal/ash pit found by both the Harris and Keddy/Dickie excavations (Hope 1997:80 and Finnan 1999:15)."

In addition you assert that the Templars lived in this settlement for many years. They would have had to be provisioned. Here's a link to a NS government page that explains the difficulty that Captain Ross and his settlers had in New Ross. Even with government support very few of the original inhabitants stayed because of the extreme conditions. But yet we are to believe that in 1408 this settlement would thrive.

https://museum.novascotia.ca/resources/nova-scotia-and-war-1812/new-ross

1308, and yes, all over Nova Scotia small settlements existed including Port Royal. At least you admit the foundations exist unlike your cohorts. And the Chinese brought the coconut fibre, right?

Cheers, Loki

 

[Raparee]

Still waiting....

Bueller.....Bueller..........

I hope you packed a lunch, Pete. It could be a while.

 

[Pippin]

1308, and yes, all over Nova Scotia small settlements existed including Port Royal. At least you admit the foundations exist unlike your cohorts. And the Chinese brought the coconut fibre, right?

Cheers, Loki

What no mention of the blacksmith shop. Your not really trying to equate the supposed settlement of New Ross with the Acadian settlements are you? There's a reason why the Acadian's settled where they did and New Ross wasn't settled until 1816 Read a bit of history.

I agree with you on the Chinese thing, ridiculous isn't it, sort of like oh never mind.

 

[lokiblossom]

What no mention of the blacksmith shop. Your not really trying to equate the supposed settlement of New Ross with the Acadian settlements are you? There's a reason why the Acadian's settled where they did and New Ross wasn't settled until 1816 Read a bit of history.

I agree with you on the Chinese thing, ridiculous isn't it, sort of like oh never mind.

Actually the first I heard of the blacksmith shop was from the budding archaeologist that investigated Joan's site. And why would I think New Ross was an Acadian settlement, haven't you read Mrs. Leopold's book?

Thanks for the thought on reading some history, maybe I will take you up on that.

Cheers, Loki

 

[Pippin]

Actually the first I heard of the blacksmith shop was from the budding archaeologist that investigated Joan's site. And why would I think New Ross was an Acadian settlement, haven't you read Mrs. Leopold's book?

Thanks for the thought on reading some history, maybe I will take you up on that.

Cheers, Loki

I didn't say that New Ross was an Acadian settlement. You were comparing it to an Acadian settlement at Port Royal.

I haven't read Ms. Leopold's book but would like to. What's the name of it and is still available. I've read two books on Lunenburg County which includes New Ross, "History of the County of Lunenburg by Desbrisay, Mather B. (Mather Byles), published in 1895" and
"The Foreign Protestants and the Settlement of Nova Scotia" by Winthrop Pickard Bell" The last book was of personal interest as it concerns my mother's family who were from Montbeliard. Both were excellent books.

Concerning the blacksmith shop. I was told by the current owners that there was blacksmith shop on the property or I should say the adjoining one. The property isn't very large, it has a small backyard. It butted right up to those foundations and today there's a barn there.

I walked and searched right back to the post office. I'm sorry to say that I didn't find or see much of anything. No Stonehenge, drilled rocks etc.

 

[lokiblossom]

I didn't say that New Ross was an Acadian settlement. You were comparing it to an Acadian settlement at Port Royal.

Maybe you should look up the word "Acadian". Port Royal was not an Acadian settlement, the later Annapolis Royal was!

The drilled rocks FK found were drilled to be split and shaped, maybe you didn't in look the same place he did. The drilled rocks I mention are different, are on Oak Island and nobody has properly explained them.
Cheers, Loki