Anyone know what culture this pipe is from ?

[Worthy55]

I have posted my pipe on other threads here but I am trying to put a culture to it. I found it on the Gulf coast of North central Florida and I can't find out much about it other that it's around 1000 to 2500 years old or older and that it's the only bird effigy pipe of it's size 7 1/2" L X 4 " H X 2 3/4 " W ever found in Florida. So does anyone have any Ideas? 8) 8) 8)

 

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[La Beep]

Somewhere way back, either read or saw a show the it said the the Aztecs brought their gold to North America to hide it from Cortes. Which really is not the point, I was just wondering it they traveled into North America often. Then again the gold story may be true also. Hmm.

 

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[ivan salis]

there is very strong evidence to make one think that south and central american indains visited florida long ago -- what you have could have ben made by or brought with the visiting indains and traded with the locals -- or given as a gift --or maybe the locals "copied" the "cool" art style after seeing it on one of their items.

 

[Hill Billy]

Post your find here. Someone here can probably help.
http://www.artifactsguide.com/forum/index.php

 

[Worthy55]

Hey, here's another idea about the culture possibly associated with the pipe-- I don't know anything about Florida Indians, but I believe that your bird head looks alot like a parrot head carved from quartz crystal that I'd seen on the north coast of Colombia, perhaps from the Tayrona or Kogui culture, which dates back 500 to 1000 years... That beak looks familiar.

Maybe the pipe is from Central America or the Carribean coast of South America?

In any event, congratulations on finding such a treasure!

EF

Thanks and I'll check that out. 8) 8) 8)

 

[Worthy55]

Somewhere way back, either read or saw a show the it said the the Aztecs brought their gold to North America to hide it from Cortes. Which really is not the point, I was just wondering it they traveled into North America often. Then again the gold story may be true also. Hmm.

I sure would like to find some of that gold. I don't see any reason why the people from South America did not trade with people here ? 8) 8) 8)

 

[Worthy55]

there is very strong evidence to make one think that south and central american indains visited florida long ago -- what you have could have ben made by or brought with the visiting indains and traded with the locals -- or given as a gift --or maybe the locals "copied" the "cool" art style after seeing it on one of their items.

I agree with that also it just makes good sense. 8) 8) 8)

 

[Worthy55]

Post your find here. Someone here can probably help.
http://www.artifactsguide.com/forum/index.php

Thanks I'll check that out. My pipe is in the Best of the Best volume #4 on page 211 as a late addition.. I will have to get with Kevin and see if he can help. 8) 8) 8)

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Sweet how old did they say it was?

 

[Worthy55]

Sweet how old did they say it was?

I have heard from 1,000 to 2,500 years old. But don't really know thats why I want to try to nail down what culture it is from. I think that would help to get a good age on it or at least put it in a certain time period. 8) 8) 8)

 

[diggummup]

Post your find here. Someone here can probably help.
http://www.artifactsguide.com/forum/index.php

Thanks I'll check that out. My pipe is in the Best of the Best volume #4 on page 211 as a late addition.. I will have to get with Kevin and see if he can help. 8) 8) 8)

Aphoto doesn't do it justice, you still need to have it authenticated by a professional, wouldn't you agree. It only makes sense.

 

[Worthy55]

Diggummup, do you have any professional that deals in Florida pipes in mind? I would like to know myself who the people were that left it for me to find .

 

[boris]

Thanks for the info I'll check into that. This pipe has been in my collection for many years and is not a recent find but in the last few years I have been trying to learn as much as I can about it. 8) 8) 8)

Looks Aztec, is there residue?

 

[Worthy55]

Looks Aztec, is there residue?

There is a red stain in the bowl.