Anyone know 1800s Steel Spoon Hallmarks?

[Admiral de Salee]

Anyone know 1800's Steel Spoon Hallmarks?

Got this today. 'Fiddle-handle' or 'Banjo-handle' (I forget what they call 'em) spoon that doesn't appear to be any sort of fancy metal. I'll put the hallmarks, then the group pic showing the spoon, and I might as well throw in the "Princess Pat" compact lid--whose inside mirror is still in pretty good shape.

The presence of marks has me thinking this might be an English spoon. It came from a 'circa 1840' Michigan site. Any help appreciated.

 

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[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Anyone know 1800's Steel Spoon Hallmarks?

I havent dated your Art Deco compact but here it is. http://www.vanity-treasures.com/rouge_compacts/01.htm

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: Anyone know 1800's Steel Spoon Hallmarks?

Is that an Anchor at the start, if so Birmingham Silver:
http://www.theassayoffice.co.uk/date_letters.html

Look for the date letter, what I can't work out is it has too many stamps, so may not be silver

 

[Gettintoknowsomethin]

Re: Anyone know 1800's Steel Spoon Hallmarks?

mmmmm

 

[Admiral de Salee]

Re: Anyone know 1800's Steel Spoon Hallmarks?

Thanks for the replies! You nailed the rouge compact. This one joins the "Pompeiian Bloom Rouge" one found last year. Ought to take me a couple of decades to "collect the whole set".

As for the spoon, I'd say 'more at Sheffield Steel'. I'll get a better pic of the marks tomorrow. Marks, from left, are: 1) indeterminate, bearskin rug, Rohrshach blot, butterfly?; 2) looks like a lowercase 'e' having the middle bar sloping up; 3) Theta? (what's the Greek letter that's an O with a crossbar?) on a little stand; 4) animal-ish, dog, horse, dunno; 5) looks like 'H F'.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Anyone know 1800's Steel Spoon Hallmarks?

As for the spoon, I'd say 'more at Sheffield Steel'. I'll get a better pic of the marks tomorrow. Marks, from left, are: 1) indeterminate, bearskin rug, Rohrshach blot, butterfly?; 2) looks like a lowercase 'e' having the middle bar sloping up; 3) Theta? (what's the Greek letter that's an O with a crossbar?) on a little stand; 4) animal-ish, dog, horse, dunno; 5) looks like 'H F'.

Steel? Im assuming its silver plated brass? ...correct? Will a magnet stick to it?

Good description of the marks.

http://www.silvercollection.it/Americansilverplatemarks.html

http://www.silvercollection.it/oldsheffieldhallmarks.html

 

[Admiral de Salee]

Re: Anyone know 1800's Steel Spoon Hallmarks? [New Pic 5/12]

Here's the best shot of 3. The rightmost mark still looks like 'HF', or possibly 'HE'.

A refrigerator-strength magnet is very weakly attracted to the spoon.

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: Anyone know 1800's Steel Spoon Hallmarks? [New Pic 5/12]

Here's the best shot of 3. The rightmost mark still looks like 'HF', or possibly 'HE'.

A refrigerator-strength magnet is very weakly attracted to the spoon.

Now I can see its not a silver hallmark, but it looks as though its copying one. Made to fool people? or just something else?

If this were silver, the HF would be the markers mark, the left of it looks 'lion' like meaning its silver, the end looks head like indicating the Monach's rein, & the 'Date Letter' but yours has 2 I can't wait to see what this is! (even the stamp shapes reflect silver hallmarking shapes)

 

[Admiral de Salee]

Re: Anyone know 1800's Steel Spoon Hallmarks?

It's curious. After looking through that great linked site on marks, I wondered why this one's "rocking horse" has little resemblance to the 'lion passant' of real silver marks. Same for the "Rohrschach" one--I couldn't reconcile that with busts of Miz Vickie or other marks that indicate reign or possibly "maker to the Royals".

When I take the strange charger-shaped plate (of an unknown but pretty malleable metal) to a local custom jeweler for his metallurgical opinion, I'll take this spoon for the same treatment. Thanks again for your help.

 

[IronSpike]

Re: Anyone know 1800's Steel Spoon Hallmarks?

Not the same hallmark, however this Holmes & Edwards spoon is very similar in design and would tie in with 'HE' mark.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...+silver+co.&ndsp=20&hl=en&sa=N&start=300&um=1

 

[Admiral de Salee]

Re: Anyone know 1800's Steel Spoon Hallmarks?

Thanks! That's got to be a relative of mine. Only a matter of time on T-net until someone figures your item out.

 

[Bigcypresshunter]

Re: Anyone know 1800's Steel Spoon Hallmarks?

To add to Ironspikes great research:

I think you may have nickel silver (German Silver) with some iron in the mix.. I dont have a link to all the markings. http://pages.zoom.co.uk/leveridge/nickel1.html

http://pages.zoom.co.uk/leveridge/nickel1.html

From Websters Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)—

German silver (Chem.), a silver-white alloy, hard and tough, but malleable and ductile, and quite permanent in the air. It contains nickel, copper, and zinc in varying proportions, and was originally made from old copper slag at Henneberg. A small amount of iron is sometimes added to make it whiter and harder. It is essentially identical with the Chinese alloy packfong. It was formerly much used for tableware, knife handles, frames, cases, bearings of machinery, etc., but is now largely superseded by other white alloys.


The bear rug thingy seems to be an old 1896 German silver mark.

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: Anyone know 1800's Steel Spoon Hallmarks?

To add to Ironspikes great research:

I think you may have nickel silver (German Silver) with some iron in the mix.. I dont have a link to all the markings. http://pages.zoom.co.uk/leveridge/nickel1.html

http://pages.zoom.co.uk/leveridge/nickel1.html

From Websters Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)—

German silver (Chem.), a silver-white alloy, hard and tough, but malleable and ductile, and quite permanent in the air. It contains nickel, copper, and zinc in varying proportions, and was originally made from old copper slag at Henneberg. A small amount of iron is sometimes added to make it whiter and harder. It is essentially identical with the Chinese alloy packfong. It was formerly much used for tableware, knife handles, frames, cases, bearings of machinery, etc., but is now largely superseded by other white alloys.


The bear rug thingy seems to be an old 1896 German silver mark.

this is more likely, as German Silver had no silver, so the hallmarks were there to confuse.

 

[trikikiwi]

Re: Anyone know 1800's Steel Spoon Hallmarks?

I'm just linking similar hallmarks

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,407555.0.html

Mike

 

[CRUSADER]

Re: Anyone know 1800's Steel Spoon Hallmarks?

I'm just linking similar hallmarks

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,407555.0.html

Mike

 

[trikikiwi]

Re: Anyone know 1800's Steel Spoon Hallmarks?

I'm just linking similar hallmarks

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,407555.0.html

Mike

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