Another day at the park.

[Truth]

Got another one with the F75 Ltd. Got another 3 ringer I thought it was a star but it’s just extra lead in the bottom. I got my 4th neckerchief first one in blue, a beautiful little piece of jewelry (I think) and some pieces of lead. The only reason why I showed the lead was I worked hard for them they were under roots.


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[digger27]

As a matter of fact digger I was in AM today? I can go slow and low with the Max, but I always heard you have to swing faster with the F75 or you may miss a target. So tomorrow I will use AM with the stock coil. I had to admit this but I never really understood “threshold” and what is does. Maybe I should investigate that. Lol What machine do you use? This park is old 1850’s but I can find a silver to save my soul. It’s a 1300 acre park there’s has to be one out the. I bought the F75 Ltd with the ultimate coil to go deep but I never get a CLEAR DEEP high signal. And it’s driving me nuts I’m obsessed with find some silver at this park it would be something special. Just so many pull tabs and beer bottle caps...I mean it is New Orleans lol


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Fast swings can ID targets at depth better under the right conditions but I have found in trashy or iron infested sites or my mineralized dirt I would miss a ton if I went fast with my F70...even at a slower normal speed.
Save the fast quick sweeps over targets if you get one and want to examine them more thoroughly, for hunting and locating targets I would go super slow because for me it finds me much more.
It wasn't easy but I force myself to go super slow, painfully slow like a crawl in really heavy trash or iron in even good soil and just about everywhere here in in my mineralized bad soil.
I can't say for sure but I figure I have found about 95% of of the masked targets I deal with around here precisely because I go so slow.
Not to mention if you come across some silver or something else great in your site it might be on edge, masked or hidden by other metal and using this AM method an extremely short quick signal...real short.
I am really good at this method, I can pick out and notice those very quick signals by listening close to the more solid tone but for me it is more important to watch the screen and examining the more solid repeatable tones and numbers that show up.
I am good at this if I move that coil super slow that is, moving too fast I will miss most all of them.

As far as high thresh I have found advantages to pushing that into the higher regions...it seems to have some great unmasking abilities and can get deep...even if your gain is set lower.
The higher you go on the thresh into the positive numbers the lower that threshold gets and let's in more and more smaller signals and especially deeper signals that might be silent to you on lower settings.
It has been compared to opening a door, at zero it is halfway open and you can see some things on the other side but not all.
Close the door, lower the setting into the negative and you cut out some smaller and deeper targets but push it up into the high positive and the door opens and you see and sense all.
The key to all of this is learning to process all this massive data you will be hit with and learn to notice and pick out the good ones.
It is not easy and takes time but if you can do it the rewards can be great.
I have learned to use my brain as my best discriminator, even in disc I mostly hunt with my disc set at 1 or 0, I want to know absolutely everything that is going on in my dirt and I make my own digging decisions according to how I perceive things, not my detector so much.
I have dug some great targets in AM that I also checked out in disc before I dug to compare, all kinds of disc settings, and some hit that same target well enough to trigger my digging instinct but many didn't.
Nowadays I can't take the chance and I go with my most confident method when it counts in older or trash and iron infested sites.

All kinds of settings can work on these, they are all remarkable machines, but for me I have found the most in the most difficult sites at the deepest levels for the past few years using this maxed out all metal stuff which I call the Blast Through method.
If I can blast into the dirt and just get a piece of a signal on a good target, and this can do it even on targets next to or even under iron because I have seen this happen, I will dig.

I can adjust this on my F70 in all modes and even in disc...so I do.
You can't on an F75 except on one of your all metal modes so try it, it could make it a little bit more noisy but otherwise it can't hurt and it might make a difference.

As far as finding those elusive deep targets this might be your problem right here...
" I bought the F75 Ltd with the ultimate coil to go deep but I never get a CLEAR DEEP high signal. and it’s driving me nuts"...

Here is a thread where I put down just about everything I learned trying to hunt deep in heavy iron and trash but I also used them to hunt in great soil in way more open and clean sites.
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/techniques/482069-mineralized-ground.html

The pictures were decimated because photobucket is stupid but the info, techniques, methods and theories are all still there.

Those clear, deep signals you are looking for, and by that I assume stable nice signals that don't jump much, well, you might not get many of these on some great targets you are passing by especially if they are deep and or masked in some way but there are plenty of other pretty good indicators that can alert you to dig that might not be perfect but they are there...once you learn how to notice them.
In my soil here nothing is stable and obvious, even a lot of the shallower targets because of my mineralized soil and garbage all around, but even in the best soil I ever hunted out west in areas that were relatively clean some of my best deep treasure I ever dug were not perfect.
If I was looking for perfect signals I would have dug none of them but I learned to target maybe not so perfect signals that had other repeating behavior indicators I learned to look for and once I did success started to come my way.

I look for a range of numbers that might be as big as 8 numbers but repeated from 2 ways.
There might be drops lower too but as long as there weren't a lot I still looked them closely.
I learned to use monotone even more than multi tones in disc...that or the tone your hear in AM seemed solid enough and wouldn't color my perception as it would if I was listening in 3-4H tones and didn't hear the most solid signal that would make me pass it by.
Sure I dug a lot of junk learning these indicators but over time that slowed down and I dug way less junk but way more better targets.
This is my way, plenty are very successful using disc, multi tones and all kinds of settings but this is the way that ended up working the best for me in good soil and clear sites, in good soil but loaded with trash or iron and now here in the south with my much more challenging conditions.

These are very powerful units, looking for perfect or close to perfect clearest signals deep to dig might just not work because of all that power available.
Things can get a bit jumpy but there is a language there in all that jumping too, I have seen it, learned it and recovered some great treasure because I have.

Just one way to do it...my way but it works for me.

 

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Fast swings can ID targets at depth better under the right conditions but I have found in trashy or iron infested sites or my mineralized dirt I would miss a ton if I went fast with my F70...even at a slower normal speed.
Save the fast quick sweeps over targets if you get one and want to examine them more thoroughly, for hunting and locating targets I would go super slow because for me it finds me much more.
It wasn't easy but I force myself to go super slow, painfully slow like a crawl in really heavy trash or iron in even good soil and just about everywhere here in in my mineralized bad soil.
I can't say for sure but I figure I have found about 95% of of the masked targets I deal with around here precisely because I go so slow.
Not to mention if you come across some silver or something else great in your site it might be on edge, masked or hidden by other metal and using this AM method an extremely short quick signal...real short.
I am really good at this method, I can pick out and notice those very quick signals by listening close to the more solid tone but for me it is more important to watch the screen and examining the more solid repeatable tones and numbers that show up.
I am good at this if I move that coil super slow that is, moving too fast I will miss most all of them.

As far as high thresh I have found advantages to pushing that into the higher regions...it seems to have some great unmasking abilities and can get deep...even if your gain is set lower.
The higher you go on the thresh into the positive numbers the lower that threshold gets and let's in more and more smaller signals and especially deeper signals that might be silent to you on lower settings.
It has been compared to opening a door, at zero it is halfway open and you can see some things on the other side but not all.
Close the door, lower the setting into the negative and you cut out some smaller and deeper targets but push it up into the high positive and the door opens and you see and sense all.
The key to all of this is learning to process all this massive data you will be hit with and learn to notice and pick out the good ones.
It is not easy and takes time but if you can do it the rewards can be great.
I have learned to use my brain as my best discriminator, even in disc I mostly hunt with my disc set at 1 or 0, I want to know absolutely everything that is going on in my dirt and I make my own digging decisions according to how I perceive things, not my detector so much.
I have dug some great targets in AM that I also checked out in disc before I dug to compare, all kinds of disc settings, and some hit that same target well enough to trigger my digging instinct but many didn't.
Nowadays I can't take the chance and I go with my most confident method when it counts in older or trash and iron infested sites.

All kinds of settings can work on these, they are all remarkable machines, but for me I have found the most in the most difficult sites at the deepest levels for the past few years using this maxed out all metal stuff which I call the Blast Through method.
If I can blast into the dirt and just get a piece of a signal on a good target, and this can do it even on targets next to or even under iron because I have seen this happen, I will dig.

I can adjust this on my F70 in all modes and even in disc...so I do.
You can't on an F75 except on one of your all metal modes so try it, it could make it a little bit more noisy but otherwise it can't hurt and it might make a difference.

As far as finding those elusive deep targets this might be your problem right here...
" I bought the F75 Ltd with the ultimate coil to go deep but I never get a CLEAR DEEP high signal. and it’s driving me nuts"...

Here is a thread where I put down just about everything I learned trying to hunt deep in heavy iron and trash but I also used them to hunt in great soil in way more open and clean sites.
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/techniques/482069-mineralized-ground.html

The pictures were decimated because photobucket is stupid but the info, techniques, methods and theories are all still there.

Those clear, deep signals you are looking for, and by that I assume stable nice signals that don't jump much, well, you might not get many of these on some great targets you are passing by especially if they are deep and or masked in some way but there are plenty of other pretty good indicators that can alert you to dig that might not be perfect but they are there...once you learn how to notice them.
In my soil here nothing is stable and obvious, even a lot of the shallower targets because of my mineralized soil and garbage all around, but even in the best soil I ever hunted out west in areas that were relatively clean some of my best deep treasure I ever dug were not perfect.
If I was looking for perfect signals I would have dug none of them but I learned to target maybe not so perfect signals that had other repeating behavior indicators I learned to look for and once I did success started to come my way.

I look for a range of numbers that might be as big as 8 numbers but repeated from 2 ways.
There might be drops lower too but as long as there weren't a lot I still looked them closely.
I learned to use monotone even more than multi tones in disc...that or the tone your hear in AM seemed solid enough and wouldn't color my perception as it would if I was listening in 3-4H tones and didn't hear the most solid signal that would make me pass it by.
Sure I dug a lot of junk learning these indicators but over time that slowed down and I dug way less junk but way more better targets.
This is my way, plenty are very successful using disc, multi tones and all kinds of settings but this is the way that ended up working the best for me in good soil and clear sites, in good soil but loaded with trash or iron and now here in the south with my much more challenging conditions.

These are very powerful units, looking for perfect or close to perfect clearest signals deep to dig might just not work because of all that power available.
Things can get a bit jumpy but there is a language there in all that jumping too, I have seen it, learned it and recovered some great treasure because I have.

Just one way to do it...my way but it works for me.

Hey digger27 I appreciate your time and advice. I understand everything you said. I dig tons of trash that doesn’t bother me. I use to be a semi high roller gambler 15 years ago and detecting is the closest rush I get like gambling so I take plenty of chances. I check the weird one’s too like if I get a 40’s-50’s-60’s-70’s I’ll go in just to see what the heck it is. Go to my today’s finds I have a surprise for you buddy. I love the AM -9 it’s a hole new game. Different way to detect and I was comfortable do it. Chatter does bother me at all. Thanks again for all the advice.

P.S. when you say “gain” what’s that mean again?


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[digger27]

Hey digger27 I appreciate your time and advice. I understand everything you said. I dig tons of trash that doesn’t bother me. I use to be a semi high roller gambler 15 years ago and detecting is the closest rush I get like gambling so I take plenty of chances. I check the weird one’s too like if I get a 40’s-50’s-60’s-70’s I’ll go in just to see what the heck it is. Go to my today’s finds I have a surprise for you buddy. I love the AM -9 it’s a hole new game. Different way to detect and I was comfortable do it. Chatter does bother me at all. Thanks again for all the advice.

P.S. when you say “gain” what’s that mean again?


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Gain/Sensitivity...different words, same thing.

 

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Aah gotcha


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[Davers]

In a place like that the standard DD coil can be advantageous.
Even in extreme iron and trash if you move the coil slow you can still pick out the good stuff.

Have you tried all metal yet, my go-to setting when it counts and I want to hit as many layers as possible because that coil can still pick up targets right next to trash and iron extremely well.

I only use one set of settings in all metal and it has done very well for me in all kinds of soil and all kinds of trash and iron infested sites.

AM, sense at 99, thresh at +9.
Surprisingly quiet even in high EMI sites but there will be a bit of jumping if only because you will be picking up every piece of metal in the ground from shallow to deep and the tones and numbers could pass by fast in busy sites.
It takes some practice to learn to notice the better more stable range of numbers but like always if this thing is swinging over metal, especially something good, any falsing will stop and it will tell you if just for a second.
Here in the SE. I have gotten very deep up to 8-9" despite my mineralized soil on coins, in the better black soil out west easily down to the 10-12" on targets even the 14-15" range on a few.
With these high settings I usually get screen data on most targets even the deepest ones.
With lower settings the audio will be there but the screen usually goes blank on the deeper ones at the outer ranges of the depth of the coil at 12"+.

I learned to use these settings slowly over time, you need to watch the screen, listen closely and train your brain to deal with them because they aren't natural.
First just a few minutes on several hunts before switching back to disc then longer and longer as I hunted on every outing.
Enough time passed by until one day I realized I could stay in these settings as long as I wanted to and now they are effortless and easy to deal with and sometimes I just stay with them for hours all day on hunts.
To outsiders this is a crazy way to hunt, I once showed a friend with an E Trac what was happening on the screen and in the audio while using these settings and he was shocked...couldn't see how I could pick out anything at all it was so alien to him.
Then again he knew they worked well for me because he saw what I could find when we hunted together and the depth I found them at, even more important were the many older shallow targets that seem to be in the 5-6" area that were severely masked in areas he had just gone over and missed which did not please him at all.

Using these settings even my 5"DD coil and the Nel Sharpshooter can get shockingly deep.
It is probably easier to learn this method with smaller coils, anyway.

To each his own lol.

 

[Davers]

Let me say Congratulations on your 4 th (I think i'm losing track , that's good) Minnie, I'm still learning but I think your Minnie wanted to be a 'Shawg' or Spinning Star, forgive my description , 'It was likely ready to have the rings cut , & when the cutting started it wanted to spin 'hence the extra lead.'

Also thing your small round ball 'May' date to the war esp if 31-32 or 35-36 caliber.

Small round balls are a tough call but if you dug it near the other Minnies , I'd Count it in.

It's also good to see the kind of Brass / Plated but Old jewelry that I find posted.

Continued GL
.

 

[Truth]

Let me say Congratulations on your 4 th (I think i'm losing track , that's good) Minnie, I'm still learning but I think your Minnie wanted to be a 'Shawg' or Spinning Star, forgive my description , 'It was likely ready to have the rings cut , & when the cutting started it wanted to spin 'hence the extra lead.'

Also thing your small round ball 'May' date to the war esp if 31-32 or 35-36 caliber.

Small round balls are a tough call but if you dug it near the other Minnies , I'd Count it in.

It's also good to see the kind of Brass / Plated but Old jewelry that I find posted.

Continued GL
.

I got some more for you. I’m learning your AM set up finds ever interesting small things that I would have easily pasted up. I ready like it. I’m got some work to do so I’ll post up on today’s finds later on.

P.S. 5 Minnie Balls :laughing/7