Alaric's Treasure

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Has anyone done any research on the Alaric treasure?
Either offshore, where the ships wrecked or onshore, the tomb.

I'm mostly interested in discussing the shipwrecks. Exchanging ideas.
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Over the past few years, the mayor of Cosenza, Mario Occhiuto, has been focusing a lot of attention on the whereabouts and authenticity of King Alarico’s tomb. King Alarico, the King of the Visigoths, was famous for his role in the fall of the Roman Empire in the fifth century. As the legend goes, he died in Cosenza and is believed to have been buried along with his massive treasure under the Busento and Crati rivers at the point where they meet. To do this, the Busento River was temporarily redirected in order to build Alarico’s tomb in the riverbed. This was done using slaves who were then killed so that the location of this precious grave would be kept a secret.

Or so the legend goes.

In October 2015, Italian archeologists along with the support of local authorities began an official and intensive search for the treasure, enlisting the use of many technological gadgets and focusing their search on the sites they believe may hold this mysterious treasure. they found absolute nothing with all their access to best of technology, government support..

Here is picture of the river bed today.

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I suspect the much vaunted famed treasure of Alaric is believed to include gold, silver and the Menorah from the Second Temple in Jerusalem, originally looted by the Romans in 70 AD. Was not looted from Rome. These sackings involved plunder, destruction, and sometimes violence against the city's inhabitants 410 AD. Led by Alaric I, the Visigoths entered Rome and plundered moveable goods for three days. The city was forced to pay a ransom of 5,000 pounds of gold, 30,000 pounds of silver, and other valuable items in exchange for the Visigoths' withdrawal.

What happened to the alleged temple treasure? well its been subject of debate for years. There is no historical evidence that Alaric looted from Rome the Jewish temple treasures.

So it was quite possible the Jewish temple treasure was moved to France. From 1309 to 1376 the the popes in Rome moved Avignon in France many religious orders followed. There is a Carthusian monastery in France that may of been a hiding place of looted treasures from Rome. They was hidden their until the french revolution and around 1793 Carthusian monks fled the French revolution during Voltaire's reign of terror to Spain.

Carthusian monks are Members of a Catholic religious order known for their life of rigorous solitude and contemplation They are known for their Charterhouses, which are monasteries inspired by the early Christian hermits and desert fathers. Carthusian life combines elements of both eremitical (solitary) and cenobitic (communal) monasticism.

Visigoth treasure was discovered near Toledo in Spain in the mid 19th century. buried in field. Believed to have been hidden there duting the Muslim invasion of Spain in 711. The treasure was alleged to had hidden there for 1100 years as the hypothesis of Spanish Archeologist Juan Manuel Rojaso. however treasure exposed to sunlight for 1110 years to me does not add up.

There was another hypothesis the treasure have been buried there by fleeing Carthusian monks after the french revolution when revolution was taking control of church properties in 1792. fLeeing Cathusion monks took treasure from Avignon to Spain only to discover Spain In 1793, a Spanish army invaded Roussillon in the eastern Pyrenees and maintained itself on French soil through April 1794. The French Revolutionary Army drove then out. The fleeing Carthusian monks hid the treasure in abandoned ruined grave yard. yet war prevailed into Napoleonic era. And it was not unil 1858.

It was August 25th, 1858. The night before had been dark and stormy, but this one was moonlit and clear. Francisco Morales and María Pérez were traveling on the road to Guadamar with their daughter Escolástica and a donkey when they reached the Guarrazar spring six miles outside Toledo. While answering the call of nature, Escolástica spied under the white glimmer of the moonlight a square hole barely covered with two flat stones. In the gap between them something shone gone. That something turned out to be a priceless treasure of gold crosses, goblets and other objects festooned with precious stones, pearls and glass. Francisco, María and Escolástica dug up everything they could find, rinsed the artifacts in the spring and quickly made off with their ill-gotten gains.

They didn’t know it, but they weren’t alone that night. Domingo de la Cruz, a gardener who owned an orchard near Guarrazar spring, had observed them digging up buried treasure. The next night, he went back to the site and did some of his own digging, finding a second, smaller collection of treasure. He too made off with it. Nobody told the authorities.


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It was a hideous free-for-all. Within days unusual gold begemmed pieces began cropping up in the shops of Toledo’s famed gold and silversmiths. Many of them were broken up, melted down and reused making them untraceable. It’s said that one smith was so torn over what to do with a unique gold dove that he threw it in the Tagus. Gemstone trader José Navarro took a different approach. He had a yen for archaeology, so he bought numerous fragments and painstakingly pieced them back together, reconstructing the votive crowns commissioned by Visigothic royalty as donations to the Church, royals that can be identified with precision because pendant letters spell out the name of the exalted donors. Navarro did all this work under strictest secrecy. In 1859, his work as complete as he could get it, Navarro sold the crowns, pendants and assorted pieces to to Edmond Du Sommerard, director of the Musée National du Moyen Âge in Cluny, France.

That’s when the news of this exceptional discovery finally broke wide. Cluny published their acquisition in the scientific press and Spain was horrified to discover that incalculably precious cultural patrimony had been found only after it was lost. The Spanish government repeatedly demanded that France return the treasure, but was blown off by Napoleon III and subsequent governments.

So suspect near the location where this hoard was discovered in mid 19th century there could be much more treasure. The Carthusian order has at least 208 chapter house monasteries since the 11th century all over Europe including Spain. Their main charter house still exists today. it library archive has documents recording the working of the order back to the 1th century.

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So perhaps for any one wanting to search for the most vaunted treasure of King Alaric I suggest trying to get access to the private library and archives of Cathusian order. I suspect the King Alaric was not buried with treasure at all his brother in law took over King Athaulf's. he ended founding kingdom and capital Narbonne in France. Visgothic treasure originally ended up in the hand of the Catholic church under the care of Cathusions in France until he french revolution.

The Spanish narrative fits Spanish agenda to make sure the Visgothic treasure belong to Spain and not to France. These crowns was reassembled in 1859 of what the jeweler thought they looked like? So can they prove dates of their manufacture or who they originally belong to later Visgothic period?

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The chief authorities on the career of Alaric and sack of Rome are: the historian Orosius below. this is a 16th copy of 5th century work.

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and the poet Claudian, both contemporary, neither disinterested; Zosimus, a historian who lived probably about half a century after Alaric's death; and Jordanes, a Goth who wrote the history of his nation in 551, basing his work on Cassiodorus's Gothic History. here is his book below.

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This is Just an example the type of documents you need to trawl through. This 14th century Carthusian script. inventories. Around the time the pope moved from Rome to Avignon.

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As you can see nothing is easy.

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The Visigothic Kingdom had multiple capitals throughout its history. Initially, Toulouse in France served as the capital from 418 to 507. Later, Barcelona temporarily became the capital between 507 and 542. Finally, Toledo in Spain became the permanent capital from 542 until the kingdom's fall in 711, when it was conquered by the Muslims see picture below.

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After King Alaric's death Athaulf was unanimously elected to the throne to succeed his brother-in-law Alaric, who had been struck down by a fever suddenly in Calabria. King Athaulf's first act was to halt Alaric's southward expansion of the Goths in Italy.

Meanwhile, Gaul had been separated from the Western Roman Empire by the usurper Constantine III. So in 411 Constantius, the magister militum (master of military) of the western emperor, Flavius Augustus Honorius, with Gothic auxiliaries under Ulfilas, crushed the Gallic rebellion with a siege of Arles. There Constantine and his son were offered an honorable capitulation— but were beheaded in September on their way to pay homage to Honorius at Ravenna.

In the spring of 412 Constantius pressed Athaulf. Taking the advice of Priscus Attalus—the former emperor whom Alaric had set up at Rome in opposition to Honorius at Ravenna, and who had remained with the Visigoths after he'd been deposed—Athaulf led his followers out of Italy. Moving north into a momentarily pacified Gaul, the Visigoths lived off the countryside in the usual way. Athaulf may have received some additional encouragement in the form of payments in gold from the Emperor Honorius—since Athaulf carried with him as a respected hostage the emperor's half-sister Galla Placidia, who had long been his captive.

Once in Gaul, Athaulf opened negotiations with a new usurper, the Gallic Jovinus. But while on his way to meet Jovinus, Athaulf came across Sarus and some of his men. Athaulf attacked, captured, and later executed Sarus, continuing the feud between their families that had begun with Sarus and Alaric.

Jovinus then named his brother Sebastianus (Sebastian) as Augustus (co-emperor). This offended Athaulf, who hadn't been consulted. So he allied his Visigoths with Honorius. Jovinus' troops were defeated in battle, Sebastianus was captured, and Jovinus fled for his life. Athaulf then turned Sebastianus over for execution to Honorius' Gallic praetorian prefect (provincial governor), Claudius Postumus Dardanus. After this, Athaulf besieged and captured Jovinus at Valentia (Valence) in 413, sending him to Narbo (Narbonne), where he was executed by Dardanus.

The heads of Sebastianus and Jovinus arrived at Honorius' court in Ravenna in late August, to be sent forward for displaying among other usurpers on the walls of Carthage. Despite coming to terms with Honorius, their relationship soon deteriorated due to a new conflict caused by the War of Heraclianus in Africa. Heraclianus stopped the grain shipments from Africa, which prevented the emperor from delivering on his promise to provide the Visigoths in Gaul. Athaulf, in turn, refused to release Galla Placidia and his army resumed their hostilities against the Romans, taking the cities of Narbonne, Tolosa and Burdígala (present-day Bordeaux). In an attempt to conquer the city of Marseille, Ataulf was injured in a Roman attack led by Bonifatius.

Nevertheless the relations between Athaulf and Honorius improved sufficiently for Athaulf to cement them by marrying Galla Placidia at Narbo in January 414, but Jordanes says he married her in Italy, at Forlì (Forum Livii). The nuptials were celebrated with high Roman festivities and magnificent gifts from the Gothic booty. Priscus Attalus gave the wedding speech, a classical epithalamium.

Under Athaulf's rule, the Visigoths couldn't be said to be masters of a settled kingdom until Athaulf took possession of Narbonne and Toulouse in 413. Although Athaulf remained an Arian Christian, his relationship with Roman culture was summed up, from a Catholic Roman perspective, by the words that the contemporary Christian apologist Orosius put into his mouth, Athaulf's Declaration:

"At first I wanted to erase the Roman name and convert all Roman territory into a Gothic empire: I longed for Romania to become Gothia, and Athaulf to be what Caesar Augustus had been. But long experience has taught me that the ungoverned wildness of the Goths will never submit to laws, and that without law a state is not a state. Therefore I have more prudently chosen the different glory of reviving the Roman name with Gothic vigour, and I hope to be acknowledged by posterity as the initiator of a Roman restoration, since it is impossible for me to alter the character of this Empire"

Honorius's general Constantius (who would later become Emperor Constantius III), poisoned official relations with Athaulf and gained permission to blockade the Mediterranean ports of Gaul. In reply, Athaulf acclaimed Priscus Attalus as Augustus in Bordeaux in 414. But Constantius' naval blockade was successful and, in 415, Athaulf withdrew with his people into northern Hispania. Attalus fled, fell into the hands of Constantius, and was banished to the island of Lipari.

In Hispania, Athaulf imprudently accepted into his service one of the late Sarus' followers, unaware that the man harbored a secret desire to avenge the death of his beloved patron. And so, in the palace at Barcelona, the man brought Athaulf's reign to a sudden end by killing him while he bathed.

Sigeric, the brother of Sarus, immediately became king—for a mere seven days, when he was also murdered and succeeded by Wallia. Under the latter's reign, Galla Placidia was returned to Ravenna where, in 417, at the urging of Honorius, she remarried, her new husband being the implacable enemy of the Goths, Constantius. If king Athaulf died in Barcelona what happened to his treasury?

Note the main sources we have for the career of Athaulf are the 5th century Paulus Orosius, the chronicles of the Gallaecian bishop Hydatius, and those of Augustine's disciple, Prosper of Aquitaine.

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king Athaulf successor king Sigeric (? – 22 August 415) was a Visigoth king for seven days in 415 AD. until he was murdered.

Political intrigue preceded King Wallia's ascension to power, for his Visigothic predecessor Athaulf who married Galla Placidia in 414 was murdered by his followers who believed him to be a puppet to Roman interests. Athaulf's successor, Sigeric, ignored the Visigothic rights of procedure to military leadership and seemed to likewise acquiesce to the Romans; such perceptions among his people quickly led to his death in turn just seven-days after assuming power.

Wallia was chosen to replace Sigeric in 415, since the Visigoths were convinced he would end any peace negotiations with Rome undertaken by his forerunners. At the time, the Goths' main antagonist was Constantius, the magister militum of emperor Honorius.

Like his predecessor Alaric, Wallia attempted to take his Gothic forces to northern Africa but ultimately "foundered in the Sea of Gibraltar", a failure that precipitated his suing for peace. Subsequently, Wallia accepted a treaty offered by Honorius with the Roman Empire. Christian historian and theologian, Orosius, reported that the terms of the agreements made in 416 and 418 were very favorable for the Romans, including the return of Honorius' sister Galla Placidia to him.

Now operating in Roman service as foederati, Wallia and his Goths marched against the Alans and Vandals in both Baetica and Lusitania with "dramatic success". These exploits against the Asding Vandals and Alans were at the behest of Constantius. Between 417 and into 418, Wallia's Goths inflicted considerable defeats upon the Vandals and the Alans alike; even killing the Alan ruler, Addax.[8] To this end, Roman writer and clergyman Hydatius recorded how Wallia, king of the Goths "in the name of Rome...inflicted a vast slaughter upon the barbarians in Spain".

For whatever reason, Constantius recalled Wallia's Goths—historian Randers-Pehrson suggests that the magister militum was alarmed and fearful of their success and then "settled them in southern Gaul."Nonetheless, Wallia's Gothic federates were "assigned" the Garonne valley from "Toulouse to Bordeaux" and the coastal strip along the Atlantic from Les Landes at the foot of the Pyrenees mountains "to the Loire in the north". Despite his success, Wallia died before he was able to leave Spain. yet his kingship moved to as per map i posted before previous and their capital , Toulouse in France that served as the capital from 418 to 507.

So the goths had 89 year in control of the region around Toulouse. So any treasury moved from king Alaric,to King Sigeric to King Wallia then onto Gothic heartland near Toulouse until 507.

What happened next?
 

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