After 15th Episode of Season 12.... Still any believers...?

[Limitool]

While the show is somewhat entertaining at times I just wondered how many hardcore believers their are left and why...? After approaching 180' in last hole do some of you think they'll just repeat it again close by...? What in the hell are they looking for in the swamp...? All they find is evidence of people being there long before them. And what could possibly be in the swamp that's related to something of value...? And the old foundation on lot 5... what does that have to do with something of value deep in the ground...? It seems the whole show is now about showing folks were there long before them (so?). And how is that related to something of value buried...?

I'd like to learn what I'm missing to know why after 200+ years and 12 seasons of the brothers somebody still believes someone buried something so deep and why...? What possible reason would somebody do that and why do you believe it...?

 

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[pepperj]

While the show is somewhat entertaining at times I just wondered how many hardcore believers their are left and why...? After approaching 180' in last hole do some of you think they'll just repeat it again close by...? What in the hell are they looking for in the swamp...? All they find is evidence of people being there long before them. And what could possibly be in the swamp that's related to something of value...? And the old foundation on lot 5... what does that have to do with something of value deep in the ground...? It seems the whole show is now about showing folks were there long before them (so?). And how is that related to something of value buried...?

I'd like to learn what I'm missing to know why after 200+ years and 12 seasons of the brothers somebody still believes someone buried something so deep and why...? What possible reason would somebody do that and why do you believe it...?

That's all I have regarding the saga.

 

[MikeN]

It's entertaining to track the geometrically decreasing distance from the drill hole of the week to the real money pit. And now that the Chapell Vault has entered the Solution Channel, there is an even larger area that it can migrate into.

 

[n2mini]

There probably isn't any treasure in the swamp, though they claim there is some maps showing what they think is the eye of the swamp or something like that on it. Also speculation that maybe 100's of years ago that OI was split and the swamp was a water way of sorts. Might explain the roads near it.. Would be interesting to see what all they find in there if they could/world do a full dig of the area...

 

[Mackaydon]

I lasted to Episode 2 Season 1.
My behavior reminded me of the FIFO accounting system.
Don in SoCal

 

[TruthbeTold]

It's entertaining to track the geometrically decreasing distance from the drill hole of the week to the real money pit. And now that the Chapell Vault has entered the Solution Channel, there is an even larger area that it can migrate into.

The laginas are just redigging where others and themselves have dug before.

 

[TruthbeTold]

And after 200+ years no one has been able to provide any historical reference as to what treasure folks claim to have been placed on the island.

Here and on the show hundreds of wild theories been discussed yet none have been shown to have any validity.

 

[Jeff H]

Often when people get sucked into believing a fairy tale or myth, the are too embarrassed to admit they had been duped. In response they will often double down in their fervor claiming that the fairy tale is real.

 

[Limitool]

Well there's got to be some around here I hope will chime in and share why they believe something of value was/is buried on O.I. Nobody has to believe there is something of value buried to watch the show but I know many do. I personally watch and pay attention to how the brothers and each cast member reference a "treasure" or a tie to one during each show. It's amazing how each "find" is somehow connected to something buried.

After 12 seasons I wonder if they'll keep it up. I doubt it but we'll see. It's almost a comedy at times because you can guess what's coming because we've all seen it so many times. I do wonder what the brothers think of this now because it's starting to be a little embarrassing to them I'd bet. But they are making money.

Hell that gives me an idea.... "could it be".... "is it possible" ..... WOW.....

 

[GravelTeeth]

I'd categorize myself more as a "hoper" than a "believer" ... I'm not convinced that there is a trove of valuables, but I find the search (historical and modern) fascinating in and of itself, and I think the archaeological finds are treasures in their own right, even when they seem individually boring. I'm as much about the who and why evidence as the what.

But to answer your question more directly, there are three pillars to make me think that something significant went on there:

1. the platforms at ten foot intervals - though I have since learned that only the ones to ~ 30' depth were canonical, so to speak, and the rest more or less implied.

2. the probed wooden structure at ~98 feet (Onslow company)

3. the auger evidence of multiple levels of different types of wood in a structure at ~98 feet (Truro company).

And that's all it takes to get me on board. Yes, I'm aware that the discovery story is unreliable, may have borrowed heavily from other local lore, and doesn't necessarily mesh with the historic record. As the timeline progresses, though, and the more those search syndicates are involved, many with overlapping crew from past efforts, the more true their accounts ring to me. It's quite subjective, but every person must be his own watchman for truth. Even with a financial (in the sense of raising capital by public shares) incentive, the record seems too detailed and unnecessarily unflattering to the searchers to have been invented out of whole cloth. If it was a lie, surely they could have thought of a better one?

It all appeals to my inner child sense of wonder, my inner Goony as it were. When I was an actual kid, they discovered parts of Fort Lyttleton (IIRC) on a vacant lot where one of the aviators from the WWII "Black Sheep Squadron" was about to build his house in my neighborhood. The archaeological dig was a fascinating thing to watch, and the unearthed structures were left intact in what became the dude's back yard. Digging up the past is JUST. SO. COOL. That fascination will never leave me.

--GT

 

[Limitool]

I'd categorize myself more as a "hoper" than a "believer" ... I'm not convinced that there is a trove of valuables, but I find the search (historical and modern) fascinating in and of itself, and I think the archaeological finds are treasures in their own right, even when they seem individually boring. I'm as much about the who and why evidence as the what.

But to answer your question more directly, there are three pillars to make me think that something significant went on there:

1. the platforms at ten foot intervals - though I have since learned that only the ones to ~ 30' depth were canonical, so to speak, and the rest more or less implied.

2. the probed wooden structure at ~98 feet (Onslow company)

3. the auger evidence of multiple levels of different types of wood in a structure at ~98 feet (Truro company).

And that's all it takes to get me on board. Yes, I'm aware that the discovery story is unreliable, may have borrowed heavily from other local lore, and doesn't necessarily mesh with the historic record. As the timeline progresses, though, and the more those search syndicates are involved, many with overlapping crew from past efforts, the more true their accounts ring to me. It's quite subjective, but every person must be his own watchman for truth. Even with a financial (in the sense of raising capital by public shares) incentive, the record seems too detailed and unnecessarily unflattering to the searchers to have been invented out of whole cloth. If it was a lie, surely they could have thought of a better one?

It all appeals to my inner child sense of wonder, my inner Goony as it were. When I was an actual kid, they discovered parts of Fort Lyttleton (IIRC) on a vacant lot where one of the aviators from the WWII "Black Sheep Squadron" was about to build his house in my neighborhood. The archaeological dig was a fascinating thing to watch, and the unearthed structures were left intact in what became the dude's back yard. Digging up the past is JUST. SO. COOL. That fascination will never leave me.

--GT

"I'd categorize myself more as a "hoper" than a "believer" ..." That's exactly where I'm at. I do not believe something of value was ever buried on O.I. But if someone wants to dig for something I hope they find something of value. The finding of artifacts is interesting but the twisting and turning of each find to connect it to something of value buried is QUITE THE STRETCH OF THE IMAGINE.

 

[n2mini]

I think along the lines as the ones above. At this point I don't think there is any major treasure left on the island, I do think that Samuel Ball quite possibly found some while on the island, if all the stories of him being well off are true, and he was enough to have had a butler, who he left most everything to, or he' would get once S Balls last wife died after him.. One of the original 3 Anthony Vaughn sold him another island for $5 and was his Executor of his estate. At one point he owned alot of OI, might have been half of it, as he kept buying up lots supposedly to farm cabbage but what if he was actually searching and found some treasure.. What better way to hide, or not let everyone around know just how much you have but to keep it in close ties. He could have paid why more for the island and they wrote it up as $5 for tax purposes like we used to do with used car sells. DMV caught on and went to the Blue Book Value for you to pay taxes when buying a used car, or atleast here in NC..

 

[Armchair detective]

I'd categorize myself more as a "hoper" than a "believer" ... I'm not convinced that there is a trove of valuables, but I find the search (historical and modern) fascinating in and of itself, and I think the archaeological finds are treasures in their own right, even when they seem individually boring. I'm as much about the who and why evidence as the what.

But to answer your question more directly, there are three pillars to make me think that something significant went on there:

1. the platforms at ten foot intervals - though I have since learned that only the ones to ~ 30' depth were canonical, so to speak, and the rest more or less implied.

2. the probed wooden structure at ~98 feet (Onslow company)

3. the auger evidence of multiple levels of different types of wood in a structure at ~98 feet (Truro company).

Let's add another point.

4. Given that there are original underground workings for whatever reason, why fill the hole back in?

 

[n2mini]

To try to keep anyone else from knowing you retrieved anything..

 

[Limitool]

To try to keep anyone else from knowing you retrieved anything..

Why would the finder care at all...? And an open hole is no indication anything except dirt came out of it. I wouldn't care what anyone else thought if I retrieved something or not.

 

[n2mini]

If it was something stolen, or a religious items, more current times maybe taxes, or a doubles cross of some sorts with investors or co-theives. There are all kinds of reasons to not wanting everyone to know you found or came and took something of value.. Heck if I won the lottery I would prefer it not be broadcast all over, just so everyone I know or come in contact with, co-workers, family you don't hardly know, crooks hanging out at the gas station, etc. to suddenly know you got money, want something from you.. Sure you can say no to everyone I suppose..Some might not take no for an answer..

 

[Limitool]

If it was something stolen, or a religious items, more current times maybe taxes, or a doubles cross of some sorts with investors or co-theives. There are all kinds of reasons to not wanting everyone to know you found or came and took something of value.. Heck if I won the lottery I would prefer it not be broadcast all over, just so everyone I know or come in contact with, co-workers, family you don't hardly know, crooks hanging out at the gas station, etc. to suddenly know you got money, want something from you.. Sure you can say no to everyone I suppose..Some might not take no for an answer..

Can't argue with above.

I guess I fail to realize why an open hole leads to any of the above. An open hole leaves no trace that anybody found anything of value one way or the other. If I dug way down and found something I'd take it and leave. If I dug way down and found nothing I'd just leave. But an open hole tells nobody nothing as I see it. But maybe I missed your point what an open hole means...?

 

[Armchair detective]

Sounds like what an open hole means is there is nothing of value there.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

I am pretty much a non participant noob regards OI. I have seen it chatted up here and that is about my sum total. However, I just looked at the geology a bit.

Under the various tills dating back to ~75,000 YBP is limestone and gypsum bedrock in the areas of interest. Geologists long ago figured the swamp area was formerly a cove very long ago. Those bedrock types are frequently subject to hydrologic erosion/dissolution forming sinkholes ( basically flooded caves in this case because below sea level. This bedrock void system has been filled with glacial materials. ).

Over geologic time trash has washed in. Like trees. Wood! anything from the surface might find itself sinking sort of as a slow motion quick sand with precipitation, storms, flooding, tides sea level changes and what have you.

Even an old shipwreck ( or parts) could have been blown into there, but that doesn't mean treasure in there.

I haven't researched it, but has anything been discovered that was certainly mad made at a significant depth and in a circumstance that is indispensably true?

Whatever the brothers do out there doesn't really cast any doubt on what preceded them.

 

[RelicFinder77]

Alright, It was me, hundreds of years ago I buried a truck load of pull tabs there. They will be worth millions someday.