A very serious question for all of us...

[Noble Metal]

I understand everything that Ocean 7 and all are saying. But let me just say this:
One, there are not 'glowing' reports, but, in hours of research (days) on google of many angles there is not one bad word, and I have friends that work for DHL, the companies shipper, and so I could dig more there.

And, this is what I am saying on the 'hobby detector' thing. I cannot get a hobby detector, and do not want or need one. I am in the Philippines, things are deep, and at 400 an ounce, $2000 is Nothing for a really good 'Working' machine.

And THANKS 'bakergeol', and I will go there and try to e-mail him now. (Scotland.) Thank you All very much, Noble Metal.

 

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[The Rock]

for someone who don't have or want a detector he is pushing hard for everyone to buy one.
he must have stock in the company.

 

[Noble Metal]

I do not like the wrong talk in treads.
I have many detectors, and I don't just want one, I Need one, that Discriminates the best in going DEEP.
And so read my message again Rock. I said 'I Don't need a 'Hoobie' detector. I need a gold bar detector .
'Lost'. and purposly Hidden; Deep; is two completely different things. And I am working hard to study ALL worldwide, and to order. And if they will ship OK, so far it is still the deepers.
And Stock? I should have stock in this E-mail computer store
And 'The Rock', look at your own logo and picture. That is my problem.
And don't tell me to order a 'two-box' detector, because I have used them already.
And Thank you, Noble Metal.

 

[cptbil]

Noble Metal:
If this detector is on the? ? "Up & Up",?
Why? ? hasn't the manufacturing company not sent one or two units a Treasure Magazine, for actual field testing ?
That would end all of this? ?? "bickering"!?
One way or the other !
As well as give us all a look at how well it does? ?? WORK? ?
? ? ? OR!
? ? (Serious question?
Do they have something to hide?

 

[tennessee jed]

if they want somone to buy the thing,give me some info! "wee" or what the hell ever the french say?

 

[Ocean7]

well I did some digging and what's out on net is strickly hype from the people selling this thing or your standard trolling techniques on Forums like this one to get free advertising. the rest is all in French - I bite my thumb at you french! *L*

the one info site says it'll find a $20.00 gold piece at 12". My Explorer II can beat that easy. then they make claims of amazing depths on larger boxes with gold, silver etc. Show Mayan gold found - yeah I'm sure... yada yada...

I think ya smell what I'm cookin' *L*? BTW there is a site on Net that'll convert french to english etc. But hey like I'm gonna do that... NOT!

 

[bakergeol]

Noble Metal
If you had searched Google why didn't you catch this- It is a post made by Andre in the Metal detecting forum 2/23/2004 about the Deepers 7

"It's only hype, nothing else. If you want some users opinions, visit for instance the French forum of detecteur.net and use the search fonction."
Regards,
Andr?

DavyR complained that the shipping company DHL later billed him an extra $500 after he received his Deepers 7.

Maybe the frenchman above is right(I mean Andre not Ocean 7- don't want to insult anyone)
George

 

[Noble Metal]

THANKS Men.
I did Google for many hours but the last mention of 'Bakergeol' never came up.

As to one free to the Magazine etc., that makes sence. And it would be interesting to check a European forum, (Do any of you know of a really good /Big forum in Europe?
(Ocean 7, to get those greater depths is on large things with the PI and the one x one meter loop; You walk inside of it, and I already have one like it from another company; one meter x one meter loop.

And Thanks men for your last mentions. I'd like to check Europe, and then decide wheather to throw the idea away or not. Thank you very much. And any brainstorms let me know. THANK U, Noble Metal.

 

[coinshooter]

My suggestion would be to buy the Minelab gold detector GP extreme. Get something that is proven at depth. Don't waste your time and money seeking out some guys phony claims and then finding out that you have a piece of dog doo doo you just spent $4000 on. Then you become the hawker trying to get rid of it and get half your money back when you could have gotten a good deal right off the bat. 8)

 

[flagold]

Excellent advice, Coinshooter.? A quick search produces a fair amount of skepticism: http://www.metaldetectorhelp.com/weblog/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=40&blogId=1

I noted other posts pointing out the depth claims fail to quantify coil sizes used in tests against other detectors.? Stacking the deck?

There are plenty of machines that go deep in handheld equipment right now.? Minelab (any) with a large coil, goes deep.? Fisher Impulse with a large coil, goes deep.? Ditto: Garrett, Whites, and many others.? If you want to think "outside the box" it's time to start thinking ground penetrating radar, nightscopes, UV, and full blown magnetometers.? Variations on the same old theme to get a couple inches more is probably not going to do that much for anyone far and above what they're already doing.

Good luck out there and find a bucketfull!

Matt Mattson
http://www.treasuresites.com

 

[Noble Metal]

Yes men, Thank you.
What I was trying to do is to just simply get the most mindblowing discrimination machine in the world to date, thats all.
Just an up-date purchase in that respect, and could wait I guess till January 2005?
And last mention is, the GP Extreme I don't need here, and with the PI detector and large loops that I already have.
(And the Philippines is sure Good for throwing most all of their metal and garbage all over the ground. Is a problem. And Thanks Matt, and Yes we can just keep adding
And Thank you All, Noble Metal.

 

[Noble Metal]

Who makes the 'Pulse Star II Pro', and what have you all heard or think?

THANKS, Noble Metal.

 

[Noble Metal]

This was written by the President of the company who makes the Deepers 7, two years ago. And is interesting to think and read sometimes?

http://www.metaldetection.net/english/Metal_detector-tests.htm

And so who knows; but if I was in America I would litterally just drive across the boarder of Mexico to check it all out 8), and then I also litterally would let the forums and google know the truth, good or bad, but I am in the Philippines my friends......

And you know, the Pulse Star II Pro is claiming the Exact Same Things, and is supposedly PI (Pulse) with discrimination. And of course these things have never happened before; and as soon as they do, then the world will have a new and advanced detector. And Thank you all, Noble Metal.

 

[Hoss KGC]

I seem to recall over on the findmall PI forum there were inquiries about the deepers 5 and deepers 6.? The few replies were less than favorable on those.? Not only for the machine itself but also the customer support they didn't get from the company.? They have discontinued and replaced their model several times in a relatively short timeframe which makes me also question the reason a company would need to do that.

Yes, you can increase the coil size to get more depth but detectors are one big compromise.? Increasing coil size will cause you to lose smaller targets.? This means as the coil size increases, the smaller nuggets, thin gold rings, etc will be passed over.? If you are looking for these things, don't go too big on the coil.? If you are looking for Grandad's cache or a gold bar, then get a larger coil to find the bigger targets at greater depth.? The other thing to remember is that VLF or Induction Balance detectors will not tolerate extremely large coils.? The largest coils are used on Pulse Induction detectors because a large mono coil is easier to make and are well suited for PI detectors.

The Pulse Star, Lorenz are large coil pulse induction detectors that are made in Germany.? Beware of large coil cache type detectors that use 1meter size coils that offer smaler coils as well.? The manufacturers often supply smaller coils for them as well but all too often the detectors are optimized for the large coils.? This means that the pulse delay is usually longer which translates to loss of sensitivity at small gold targets when using the smaller coils with these machines.? Do your homework on these so you don't end up disappointed.? These type of detectors are great cache detectors and far outperform the 2 box type detectors but again, don't take their word on 30 to 50 feet depth claims.? No one has figured out how to break the laws of physics yet.

Good luck,
FJ

 

[Noble Metal]

Thank You.

I will not really be using whatever I buy for anything less than 3 Kilos, and so 'The Pulse Star, Lorenz with a smaller mono coil at times is probaly fine for me. (12 or 15")

And on the 'one meter x one meter' search loop I don't really need a depth on Large targets deeper than 3-4 meters. (For those not familier, that large target is 300 pounds.)

And this is my question Boattow, I wonder what the true field results are with the Pulse Star II Pro, Lorenz, in size and discrimination depths. (Other than downtime or trouble with it ever) the above is the main question. Do you have any idea? THANK You very much, Noble Metal.

 

[Noble Metal]

I would not have considered ordering until at least the Deepers 6; / Deepers 7, and maybe now from them in January 2005, we'll have to see.

I finally made it over to Findmall, and Davy R., and the extra charged 500 Euro had nothing to do with Mexico, but his country of Scottland, and is simple and very normal import duty on whatever the insurance value is, and was DHL's mistake, was to be charged and collected before they released the package, and Regards to all, Noble Metal.

 

[Hoss KGC]

You are certainly welcome to spend your money where you are comfortable but here are the posts I was referring to on the findmall PI forum:
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http://www.findmall.com/metal/school1/config.pl?read=1873

I tried to get information from Latincom in Mexico
(the manufacturers) but got no facts and an extremely rude reply from their marketing manager who apparently took offence because I did not accept their advertising hype without question. After that I became rather disinterested. They claim to have sold a large number of their earlier machine, the Deepers5,but as a previous post pointed out it has been impossible to find anyone who owns one. It may well be a good machine
but lack of evidence puts me off.

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http://www.findmall.com/metal/school1/config.pl?read=1987

I have a deeper 6 metal detector, it's new.
A partner paid me a debit with this device.
Deeper 6 is a Pulse metal detector.
I test it and works fine with good deep, but i prefer my Excalibur 1000 for beach hunter.
So, if you are still interesting, I sell it, good price.

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http://www.findmall.com/metal/school1/config.pl?read=5368

Three things to consider here.(1) where you live (2) what you want to do with it (3) coil size.
If you are in the U.S. what would you do re repair/service. Someone posted about six months back that their Deepers did not work from the off. They posted a series of letters between them and the company and it seemed you had to be skilled with a soldering iron and be prepared to get your hands dirty.
I don't question the depth claims, in fact I would think its deeper but don't think its a coin/ring machine more relic only.
Its got a sort of flat-sided ellipse coil which is larger than normal hobby P.I.'s. I think if you put a larger than stock coil on a Deepstar (was there mention of a 15 incher?) then the Deepers 26 inches would not look to special. I recently dug a horse brass (thicker but way less surface area) from the two foot mark with the 11 inch on my Deepstar.

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http://www.findmall.com/metal/school1/config.pl?read=8413

the discrimination claims made by the seller. What they were claiming about this model(besides sensitivity for small coins) was true and reliable discrimination which current P I models do not possess. Well Brian, are these claims bogus?

This question is probably why we have never seen a post by a Deepers 7 user. Posts asking for a review of the Deepers 7 have been common on this forum and others. I guess most people are skeptical and do not wish to gamble by sending all that cash to Mexico. They are afraid they would end up with just another unreliable discriminating PI which is simply overpriced and not that sensitive.

George
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http://www.findmall.com/metal/school1/config.pl?read=8422

What did not help Deepers sales in the U.S. (and I guess that it was before they set up the Mexico branch) was the postings at very great length by a U.S. customer of his experiences getting his machine working in the first place. Deepers had him stripping the machine and checking and re checking various componants rather than just sending a working version.
The discrim. featured on the 7 just seems to be the (dropped gold ?) or similar named feature now being called SENSI. This worked as well on the 6 as on Erics own machines ie no signal so dig, which works fairly well as long as the target is not so near the coil that the mass of the good item defeats the reverse discrimination. The other 'unique' discrimination method of the 7 just seems to be the ferrous rejection method used in the Pulse Star II about 15 years back which provided LED lights, green for ferrous (and a low tone), red for non-ferrous (with a high pitch) which also worked as long as the targets were fist size or larger.
So two working methods of discrimination, neither of which are suitable for coin/ring or small gold location.

 

[Noble Metal]

THANKS Boattow very much.

And if it helps anyone I would highly suggest with all my digging in these last few months that many friends take a Really close look at the NAUTILUS DMC-2B, and would also suggest that it is purchased through Brian of Southern Treasures....

Yes, it may be alittle heavy, but the really Serious had better check this tremendous machine out.

(Problem with weight? Then go possibly with the "S" handle and rig-up a chest harness and hang the machine from a bungie)... Have fun, and Thank you, Noble Metal.

 

[Noble Metal]

Oh No!!!!!!!!!!, Its the Deepers 8

Better read and check this out

http://www.metaldetection.net/english/GarantiesD8An.htm

http://www.metaldetection.net/english/index.htm

 

[flagold]

Noble:

As fast as they're coming out with new versions, why not wait for the Deepers 16? It should go twice as deep as the 8, and you won't have to wait long for it at all . . . At any rate, you have finally worn my patience down and convinced me about a Deepers purchase -- I now believe you should buy it -- and do tell us how it does, as apparently no other owners can seem to put it down long enough to even tell people about it.

I did reply to your questions about metal detectors, haven't a clue what happened to the post, also replied to your pm.

Good luck with your hunting in the Phillipines.
Matt Mattson
http://www.treasuresites.com