A LOOK AT JAMES BEVERLY WARD, AGENT OF THE BEALE PAPERS

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WHO WROTE THE MANUSCRIPT FROM WHICH THE TYPE WAS PREPARED?

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James Beverly Ward- copyright holder, publisher, possible author
Harriet E Otey Ward- wife, possible contributor of Beale's description
John William Sherman- cousin, pamphlet printer, possible contributor with Shakespeare reference
Max Guggenheimer- friend, names is used in story, sold copies at his store
F C Hutter- cousin, possible contributor of DOI "solved" cipher"
Charles W Button- Sherman's boss, owner of THE LYNCHBURG VIRGINIAN that advertised the Beale Papers
V A Witcher- objected to his ancestors name mentioned in the dime novel pamphlet
Rowland Buford, Margaret L Buford, Ann Buford Hall-children of Pascal and Francis Buford who professed no knowledge of Thomas Beale's stay at Buford's Tavern or of the treasure vault story.
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Job pamphlet printer, John William Sherman had to have had a hand written manuscript of the Beale Papers to set the metal type to print the pamphlet.
In whose hand was the manuscript written?
What became of this handwritten copy?
Were the original Beale "letters" and "ciphers" included, or were these items just written in the narrative text as continuity of the story?
Remember, Charles W Button, owner of the print shop and the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIA newspaper stated that his sub-editor, John William Sherman wrote the Beale Papers.
In a 1934 newspaper interview by Mrs Martha Rivers Adams that appeared in THE LYNCHBURG NEWS, Ward's daughter, Adeline Ward McVeigh claimed her father wrote the Beale Papers.
The Buford children, all stating that they had no knowledge of any family history mention of Thomas Beale's stay at Buford's Tavern or of any treasure, and Vincent A Witcher objecting to the use his ancestor's name to give credibility to a common dime novel all lead to the conclusion that the Beale Papers were a work of fiction.
But the question remains:
In whose hand, or hands, was the original manuscript written?
 

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Job pamphlet printer, John William Sherman had to have had a hand written manuscript of the Beale Papers to set the metal type to print the pamphlet.
In whose hand was the manuscript written?
What became of this handwritten copy?
Were the original Beale "letters" and "ciphers" included, or were these items just written in the narrative text as continuity of the story?
Remember, Charles W Button, owner of the print shop and the LYNCHBURG VIRGINIA newspaper stated that his sub-editor, John William Sherman wrote the Beale Papers.
In a 1934 newspaper interview by Mrs Martha Rivers Adams that appeared in THE LYNCHBURG NEWS, Ward's daughter, Adeline Ward McVeigh claimed her father wrote the Beale Papers.
The Buford children, all stating that they had no knowledge of any family history mention of Thomas Beale's stay at Buford's Tavern or of any treasure, and Vincent A Witcher objecting to the use his ancestor's name to give credibility to a common dime novel all lead to the conclusion that the Beale Papers were a work of fiction.
But the question remains:
In whose hand, or hands, was the original manuscript written?
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NEVER gonna find a "hand-written" copy; I think John William Sherman "compiled" all the PAPERS, for the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet; having interviewing F.C. Hutter... who interviewed Robert MORRISS/MORRIS in 1862 or so. RM died in 1863, & was NO LONGER in "the GAME". April, 1865... GAME was OVER for the REBELS, in the "Confederate War"; 20 years LATER was the release in 1885 of the Beale PAPERS Pamphlet. AND! TJB didn't matter, anymore... TOO!
 

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I think F C Hutter was the architect of the DOI "solved" C2, but died before completion, which would account for the errors in the numbering.
Two additional were needed to complete the story, and Ward and/or Sherman lacked the craft knowledge of CSA codes that Hutter used during the WAR, and just peppered C1 & C3 with random meaningless numbers.
It is due to this scattering of numbers and the belief that C2 was a legitimate solved cipher, that accounts for all the claimed solved ciphers all containing DIFFERENT MESSAGES- THERE EXISTS NO TRUE DEFINITIVE SOLUTION TO C1 & C3- it becomes what one expects.
 

COMMENTS BY THOSE WHO HAVE STUDIED THE BEALE PAPERS & CIPHERS

"To me, the pamphlet story has all the earmarks of a fake...NO EVIDENCE save the word of the unknown author of the pamphlet that he ever had the papers".- DR CLARENCE WILLIAMS, Library of Congress Researcher

The Beale Papers "was printed for the express purpose of selling copies of it for profit, and the ciphers should be considered "in the same light" as the myriad treasure maps which are sold in the Southern states purporting
to come down from pirate days...nothing more or less than a hoax"- ELIZABETH SMITH FRIEDMAN, Division of Intelligence, U S COAST GUARD

"Diabolical ingenuity, specifically designed to lure the unwary reader".- WILLIAM FRIEDMAN, codebreaker Riverbank Laboratories

"The Beale treasure is likely to be a hoax, invented by whomever authored the Beale Papers".- DR TODD MATEER, NSA

"Lies rather beyond the range of possibility".- COL GEORGE FABYAN, US codebreaker during WWI
 

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Vattel’s Law of Nations was translated into English in 1760, based on the French original of 1758. :censored::censored::tard:
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The copy CSA Sec of State, Judah P Benjamin used as a Confederate codebook was the 1853 version translated from the French by London Great Barrister, Joseph Chitty, and published by T & JW JOHNSON LAW BOOKSELLERS, Philadelphia, PA.
Most members of the US Houses of Congress had that copy during that time period, and was often quoted as reason for secession.
 

Cryptography said:
https://books.google.com/books?id=k...Mc4RhDoAQg3MAU#v=onepage&q=connexions&f=false
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Yep, these old publications make for some interesting reads, though I'm not sure they offer much towards the mystery at hand. However, they do sometimes further enlighten us in regards to the politics and personal interest, etc., that were being played out beyond the general history references. Did you notice "connexions" is on the cover? And where was it printed? :laughing7: Ah, but unfortunately, just another interesting sidebar to toss on the already massive pile.
 

That has nothing to do whatsoever with the Beale story- another bad "connexion".
 

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That has nothing to do whatsoever with the Beale story- another bad "connexion".
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No, it doesn't, nor does Hutter, Risque, etc., etc., etc. Apparently "bad connexions" can only exist as possibilities from the fictional novel side of the coin. Let me ask, do you have a directly connecting confirmation that confirms the story to be just a dime novel for parlor entertainment? No, you don't, and while I do agree that the fiction novel angle is still the strongest theory on the table I still fail to see where anyone can confirm that position. Just more continued beating of the same drums......just a different tune. So I'll keep entertaining all reasonable possibilities.....
 

...and while you continue with that endeavor, you realize that it is an admission on your part that the Beale story, as written, is a work of fiction, therefore, an adventure/treasure dime novel. :icon_thumright:
 

Rebel - KGC said:
Well, GREAT info... "minor" correction; it was "JB"'s father (Giles) who got the library (including LAW BOOKS) from James Beverly Risque's will. "JB" Ward got a few things, & I will have to get back to you on that... I CAN tell ya that Giles' wife (Risque's daughter) got HUNTER'S HILL in Campbell/Bedford County near TJ's Poplar Forest
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UPDATE: "JB" (Ward) was @ 18 years old when his Grandpa James Beverly Risque died; according to PV's Book, THE BEALE TREASURE: NEW History of a MYSTERY, "JB" Ward "was bequeated a gold watch, and a mulatto boy, George, who was valued at $ 450." (P. 127; Chap.14, Man of Connections (James Beverly Risque), pg. 119-127.
 

The NEXT Chapter (15), James B. Ward... is even BETTER! (Pg. 128-133.)... BUT! NOTHING about his "work" in Richmond, Va. MAYBE, PV didn't know about it... dunno.
 

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...and while you continue with that endeavor, you realize that it is an admission on your part that the Beale story, as written, is a work of fiction, therefore, an adventure/treasure dime novel. :icon_thumright:
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Nope, not at all. I can only confirm to my own satisfaction that the narration contains certain dependencies that render some of that information as being inaccurate and misleading. I have seen nothing that confirms/verifies the true nature of the narration, it's unknown author, or the source. Have you?
 

...and that, Bigscoop, is quite elementary. When all possible truths have been explores and analyzed, be it all the Beales, expeditions, mines, etc of that time period, which has been done time and time again on these threads and by others, and has been eliminated due to the lack of definitive evidence or "connexion" to the Beale story in the narrative text, what remains by this lack of collaborating outside of the job pamphlet evidence, however unwanted by believers, is the truth-THE BEALE PAPERS ARE A WORK OF FICTION.
Remember, there is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact, and no contemporaries during the publication and sale of the job pamphlet ever came forth to say it was true.
 

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...and that, Bigscoop, is quite elementary. When all possible truths have been explores and analyzed, be it all the Beales, expeditions, mines, etc of that time period, which has been done time and time again on these threads and by others, and has been eliminated due to the lack of definitive evidence or "connexion" to the Beale story in the narrative text, what remains by this lack of collaborating outside of the job pamphlet evidence, however unwanted by believers, is the truth-THE BEALE PAPERS ARE A WORK OF FICTION.
Remember, there is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact, and no contemporaries during the publication and sale of the job pamphlet ever came forth to say it was true.
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So in other words, you have no means of verification/confirmation that the story is in fact a fictional dime novel for parlor entertainment, only the personal opinions and personal feelings of others who were not directly connected to the narration in any way, that we know of. And remember, Sir Author was able to deduct with such great accuracy only because he wrote the plots for the mysteries so brilliantly solved, which as you know, makes certain said philosophies much-much easier to conclude.

Honestly, I don't understand how you can continue to make absolute claim that the narration was a fiction tale for parlor entertainment when you have absolutely no means of verification/confirmation of that fact? What makes your certain claim, then, any different then all of the rest? Sure, the fiction theory is a very strong one but it in no way is as conclusive an ending as you continue to report. Just saying, seems to me that the duck is calling the goose lowly waterfowl.
 

Can you, or anyone else prove otherwise?
Hasn't happened in 130 years.
 

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